Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, kwilco said:

The hapless government of Rishi Sunak is still trying to drip=feed Brexit onto the UK whilst at the same time trying to hold together a crumbling economy and standards of living. We know for a start that re-joining certain aspects of the EU were brought up in Cabinet but that is a U-turn that this current government could not survive. We can seen how fragile the post Brexit UK economy has become when Brexit PM Truss had to be quickly removed by her own Tory nabobs after nearly bringing the country to its knees.

 

 Most of the info offered here is also available on the UK government website and Reuters and BBC. …and outlined in posts above…..

Since the referendum, the UK has had 6 prime ministers – 5 prime ministers in just 6 years -  this is the fastest turnover in a century.

 

Resulting from a massive political miscalculation by Cameron the UK plunged itself into economic decline and political chaos.

It was clear from the start that the architects of the Brexit vote, in particular Boris Johnson, had no real plan for untangling decades of economic and legal ties with the EU, so the chaos followed. ..and the government has failed time and again to untangle the EU treaty as it needs to be replaced by UK legislation that can limit the damage to so many aspects of the UK – from trade, to politics to the very Union of the UK. It seems Boris was so keen to become PM, he lost sight of the ramifications of his own ambition….

 

Technically the UK left the EU on midnight, Jan 31 2020….. but it isn’t that simple……

Basically the government is trying to reduce the economic damage caused by the Johnson-Frost deal

 

UK Government announced on the 28 April the further postponement of import controls planned to come into force July 2022. Most of has now been postponed until late 2023…..or later – e.g. The government is in the process of furtive “un-Brexiting”

Time and again the Brexit govt. is postponing full Brexit as they know the damage it will cause.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, said it would be wrong to go ahead with this post-Brexit paperwork while supply chains were already facing pressure from rising energy prices and the effects of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. – This is therefore admitting that Brexit is putting an extra “struggle” on the UK.

 

Import and export is the most obvious bottleneck – the government keep postponing the inevitable bureaucratic chaos.

E.G. - Pre-notification on IPAFFS (Import of Products, Animals, Food and Feed Systems) of goods imported through ports

The govt. has postponed the introduction of prenotification until later in 2023.

 

Northern Ireland - The 25th anniversary of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement in April 2023 is looming. New elections for the Belfast Assembly have been postponed, but cannot be put off indefinitely. The policies of the UK government would in effect put an almost block on the free trade of most items with the EU.

 

UKCA marking - Government (in the shape of Rees-Mogg) has also been questioned on fourth delay to import regulations - Business secretary Grant Shapps has announced delays to the introduction of the UKCA mark, (UK Conformity Assessed)giving business more time to continue using the EU mark – a move justified by the need to avoid extra costs at a time of economic fragility. The result is that manufacturers, producers, importer and exporters have no certainty for the future they just carry at the moment as if we hadn’t left the EU but with extra paperwork. In the future it may well result in the banning of many UK from the EU and other countries that rely on EU standards for their production (e.g. the Thai chicken industry) this means businesses can continue to use the CE marking and reversed epsilon marking on the GB market until 31 December 2024…. Or even later by then!

 

 

Even private holidaymakers are feeling the effects of Brexit. Borders now see long queues of Brits waiting to clear their passports all over the EU.  – Britain still has third country status at European borders. They could sign to a freedom of movement agreement such as Norway or Switzerland.

 

 

Treaties – the government said that by the end of 2022 they would have replaced over 60% of FTAs. They have not got any=where near this target – it’s about 60%.

The thing is these treaties are for the most part reinstating agreements that were voided on leaving the EU – but the Brexit government has not even been able to establish these. They also made much ado about signing treaties with the USA – who quite simply aren’t that interested as they have much bigger fish to fry. Why would anyone bother going through the hassle of a treaty with the UK when they already have a similar treaty with the EU that covers everything they need anyway. It’s just another layer of bureaucracy for something they already have. One big drawback for potential treaty signers is the UKCA situation – how can you sell stuff to a country that won’t tell you their standards?

 

Boris’s promises – look a bit hollow now…..

“A comprehensive Canada style free trade deal between the UK and the EU, a deal that will protect jobs across this country.” -  Not done

 

“A deal that will allow UK goods and components to be sold without tariffs and without quotas in the EU market.” – resulting in extra layers of bureaucracy that is strangling trade.

 

“A deal which will if anything should allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends.” – quite the opposite has happened

 

“And yet which achieves something that the people of this country instinctively knew was doable.” – Boris – and it is patently not “doable”.

 

The main problem facing the UK today is how to reverse the recession caused by Brexit. The main obstacle is the intransient obstinacy of those who supported Brexit. It was brought in not by reason and thought, it was a product of “feeling” and prejudices. So as it wasn’t based on evidence or reason it is almost impossible to argue against those who still support it as evidence and reason is of no consequence.

Brexit will be reversed eventually as the slender group of people in the middle of these politics gradually come to the conclusion the Brexit was a massive blunder – the majority of Brexiteer won’t change their attitude, but they probably are too blinkered to notice the gradual return to common sense and the EU.

 

 

You obviously still don't know why leave won, do you?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You obviously still don't know why leave won, do you?

I do

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jcms.13386

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I do

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jcms.13386

Obviously not.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

You obviously still don't know why leave won, do you?

1000 words and that is all you can come up with? Not even relevant to my post. or the OP - "Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?" - but it does give one a clue.

th OP is 

Edited December 31, 2022 by kwilco

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

1000 words and that is all you can come up with? Not even relevant to my post. or the OP - "Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?" - but it does give one a clue.

th OP is 

It is entirely relevant to your post, which mainly refers to Brexit.

[Scott]

Posts without a supporting link have been removed.  

[RayC]

A happy and healthy 2023 to one and all

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

You obviously still don't know why leave won, do you?

And you obviously don't know why regret is so widespread now. Which is why all you can offer is an empty rhetorical statement.

Edited January 1, 2023 by placeholder

[RayC]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The GFA states that Irish unification can only happen when all sides agree to it and theres been a vote on it and Unionist group claim that moving a hard  border between the UK and Ireland would create  a united Ireland and the DUP find that unacceptable 

This claim has been rejected by courts in the UK. Unionist politicians have taken the matter to the Supreme Court and a judgement is awaited. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63799454

 

In any event, this is completely different to your original comment which still remains untrue:

 

"... that needs sorting out as the UK/Ireland agreement conflicts with the E.U rules and to solve that issue there will need to be some compromise somewhere and either the UK/Ireland agreement needs to be changed or the E.U rules need to be changed as they conflict with one another ..."

 

As things currently stand, there is no legal reason why the NI Protocol requires amendment from either an EU or UK standpoint.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

And you obviously don't know why regret is so widespread now. Which is why all you can offer is an empty rhetorical statement.

Regret has always belonged to the remainers.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Regret has always belonged to the remainers.

And denial of consequences to the Brexiters.

Edited January 1, 2023 by placeholder

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Regret has always belonged to the remainers.

Remainers regret that they voted to stay, now? That silly assertion is debunked by the current polls which show widespread opinion that brexit was a bad idea.

 

link already posted.

[superal]

13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The GFA states that Irish unification can only happen when all sides agree to it and theres been a vote on it and Unionist group claim that moving a hard  border between the UK and Ireland would create  a united Ireland and the DUP find that unacceptable 

An Irish Unification is on the cards and will solve the protocol problem to the satisfaction of all parties . 

[roo860]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Remainers regret that they voted to stay, now? That silly assertion is debunked by the current polls which show widespread opinion that brexit was a bad idea.

 

link already posted.

These polls, who do they actually ask? What cross-section of the public?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, roo860 said:

These polls, who do they actually ask? What cross-section of the public?

all polls are random.

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Remainers regret that they voted to stay, now? That silly assertion is debunked by the current polls which show widespread opinion that brexit was a bad idea.

 

link already posted.

I'm sure that is not what I wrote or meant.

 

Please hold further silly posts until my hangover has subsided.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'm sure that is not what I wrote or meant.

 

Please hold further silly posts until my hangover has subsided.

The who regrets the vote? nobody? The polls are wildly off? Your post only makes sense if the poll is disregarded. That would be indeed silly.

Edited January 1, 2023 by ozimoron

[Mavideol]

and for those Brexiteers that still think exit from EU was a good thing

Brexit regret: Why the ‘undeniable disaster’ finally hit home with the British public in 2022

https://au.yahoo.com/news/brexit-regret-why-undeniable-disaster-111817178.html

[Mavideol]

and I thought Brexit was about th UK controlling their borders and not allow illegal immigration in  555

Small boat crossings surge 60 per cent to new record in 2022 and ‘could get worse’ next year

https://au.yahoo.com/news/small-boat-crossings-surge-60-161500005.html

 

[Mavideol]

wonder what they area afraid off, show the numbers, show the magic special free trade deals for God's sake

Government refuses to publish economic benefits estimate of latest Brexit trade deal

https://au.yahoo.com/news/government-refuses-publish-economic-benefits-072538126.html

 

[josephbloggs]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and for those Brexiteers that still think exit from EU was a good thing

Brexit regret: Why the ‘undeniable disaster’ finally hit home with the British public in 2022

https://au.yahoo.com/news/brexit-regret-why-undeniable-disaster-111817178.html

Yeah, but blue passports!!! (made in Poland)

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

wonder what they area afraid off, show the numbers, show the magic special free trade deals for God's sake

Government refuses to publish economic benefits estimate of latest Brexit trade deal

https://au.yahoo.com/news/government-refuses-publish-economic-benefits-072538126.html

 

What particularly stands out is this:

"When the government launched trade talks with the US in 2020 it revealed that it was expecting the agreement to provide just a 0.16 per cent boost to GDP by 2035 – the size of a forecast rounding error."

 

The fact is that trade between the UK and the USA was substantially free before Brexit.

And the UK did worse than the EU in bouncing back from pre-pandemic levels of exports to the USA.

In 2021 the EU exported  about 93% of what it did pre-pandemic.

The UK about 82%

 

 

[Kwasaki]

17 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Wrong. 
 

Just about every comment made by the poster you defend on Ireland is incorrect, misleading and based in ignorance of the subject they spout on. 

Happy New Year. 

[Bluespunk]

 

23 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Happy New Year. 

Happy New Year ???? 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bluespunk
Double quote

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The who regrets the vote? nobody? The polls are wildly off? Your post only makes sense if the poll is disregarded. That would be indeed silly.

It's only you that has mentioned the words regret and polls. Such a silly billy. 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It's only you that has mentioned the words regret and polls. Such a silly billy. 

Could I refer you to your own post?

 

 

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Could I refer you to your own post?

 

 

Damn. Well I said I had a h/over.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, superal said:

An Irish Unification is on the cards and will solve the protocol problem to the satisfaction of all parties . 

I don't think that the Northern Irish would agree to that and also many Irish don't want that either 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, but blue passports!!! (made in Poland)

It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, Mavideol said:

and I thought Brexit was about th UK controlling their borders and not allow illegal immigration in  555

Small boat crossings surge 60 per cent to new record in 2022 and ‘could get worse’ next year

https://au.yahoo.com/news/small-boat-crossings-surge-60-161500005.html

 

The UK is now sending them straight back home on airplanes or to Rwanda