Donald Trump 2024: Why it will be harder for him to run this time

[johnnybangkok]

The Dems should be delighted that Trump has declared; they know they stand a much better chance of beating him than say DeSantis. However, I don't think he'll get the Republican nomination as many Republicans are now openly calling him out on his inability to win and his polarising effect on the electorate. Couple this with his many, many legal troubles and you've got an awful lot of problems with Trump being your Presidential candidate.

It should make for some entertaining stuff though over the coming months.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The Dems should be delighted that Trump has declared; they know they stand a much better chance of beating him than say DeSantis. However, I don't think he'll get the Republican nomination as many Republicans are now openly calling him out on his inability to win and his polarising effect on the electorate. Couple this with his many, many legal troubles and you've got an awful lot of problems with Trump being your Presidential candidate.

It should make for some entertaining stuff though over the coming months.

Why Trump Is Favored To Win The 2024 Republican Presidential Primary.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-2024-president/

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The Dems should be delighted that Trump has declared; they know they stand a much better chance of beating him than say DeSantis. However, I don't think he'll get the Republican nomination as many Republicans are now openly calling him out on his inability to win and his polarising effect on the electorate. Couple this with his many, many legal troubles and you've got an awful lot of problems with Trump being your Presidential candidate.

It should make for some entertaining stuff though over the coming months.

All the Democrats have to do now is to get a suitable candidate to replace Biden, because although I am a Dem supporter, and absolutely loathe Trump and all he stands for, sad to say that poor old Joe may be more of a burden for the party than someone younger and with more vitality and charisma.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

All the Democrats have to do now is to get a suitable candidate to replace Biden, because although I am a Dem supporter, and absolutely loathe Trump and all he stands for, sad to say that poor old Joe may be more of a burden for the party than someone younger and with more vitality and charisma.

AOC.

[ThailandRyan]

I am watching Gutfield now. His co-hosts think his announcement was very low key with no bashing of the Democrat's and how his family will not be involved this time around as Trump is all about the US or us and wants to make the country perfect again....made me want to gag

Edited November 17, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[ozimoron]

Punchbowl News correspondent Max Cohen reported Florida GOP Sen. Rick Scott would not say if he is supporting Trump's comeback attempt.

 

On Wednesday, NBC News senior congressional correspondent Scott Wong asked House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) if he was "prepared to endorse" Trump.

When he did not answer, ABC News reporter Katherine Faulders followed-up, but McCarthy still wouldn't answer.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/here-are-the-republicans-declining-to-endorse-trump-2024/

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Punchbowl News correspondent Max Cohen reported Florida GOP Sen. Rick Scott would not say if he is supporting Trump's comeback attempt.

 

On Wednesday, NBC News senior congressional correspondent Scott Wong asked House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) if he was "prepared to endorse" Trump.

When he did not answer, ABC News reporter Katherine Faulders followed-up, but McCarthy still wouldn't answer.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/here-are-the-republicans-declining-to-endorse-trump-2024/

Silence says it all.....panic has set in for the Republicans....

 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

The spelling errors in your post do help me understand why you are a Trump supporter.

It would be an interesting social experiment to measure the mean IQ of those Republicans who believe his claim he won, despite losing the popular vote by 7 million votes.

There has been some work done in that regard. I will try to find it.

 

The IQ difference is astonishing. They really are mouth breathers.

 

The difference in wealth and productivity is almost as astonishing. I've written this before, but 45 won 85% of all Counties in the US in 2016, while Hillary won only 15%. Still the Counties Hillary won represent 62% of US GDP, while 45's are a mere 38%. Do the math and the non-45 Counties are 9.25 times more productive.

 

if the US was just the areas 45 wins, the US economy would make Venezuela look like an economic juggernaut.

 

This should not be surprising, as 45 has as his base the weirdest elements of US society...QAnon, Incels,Talibangicals, white nationalists....hardly the cream.

[ozimoron]

Trump's biggest problem now is that he is a known quantity and the voters know he soundly lost the last election to an uncharismatic leader.

[johnnybangkok]

44 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

AOC.

Unfortunately I don't think the US is ready for a woman never mind one of latin ethnicity. Americans penchant for old, white men will continue because as much as Biden isn't everyone's favourite POTUS, he was VERY effective against Trump. It's a shame as I like AOC but her left wing credentials are too easy for the GOP to denigrate and lampoon and their inability to understand the difference between socialism and communism certainly doesn't help.

 

 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

sad to say that poor old Joe may be more of a burden for the party than someone younger and with more vitality and charisma.

Not long after posting this and getting some good replies, I went online to look at my daily newspaper and to my shock and horror I saw an article with regards to Joe Biden at the COP27, and his "cheat sheet" was visible, and there were instructions on it as to where to sit, who to sit next to and so on, almost a roadmap spelled-out for the guy.

 

IMO it backs up what I said in my post, and something has got to be done because two years henceforth, poor old Joe will probably be in a home somewhere, staring into space and dribbling, and certainly not fit to lead the USA again. Sad to say.

[Berkshire]

25 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Not long after posting this and getting some good replies, I went online to look at my daily newspaper and to my shock and horror I saw an article with regards to Joe Biden at the COP27, and his "cheat sheet" was visible, and there were instructions on it as to where to sit, who to sit next to and so on, almost a roadmap spelled-out for the guy.

 

IMO it backs up what I said in my post, and something has got to be done because two years henceforth, poor old Joe will probably be in a home somewhere, staring into space and dribbling, and certainly not fit to lead the USA again. Sad to say.

I saw a clip on Fox of talking heads discussing why the GOP did so poorly on the mid terms and one guy kept saying "We don't hate Biden enough!"  And that's why he's a safe bet.  The right wingers have nothing on Joe, except for his age and Hunter.  Sure there's better candidates out there.  But if it comes down to Biden and Trump, it'll be your beloved grandpa Joe, or your crazy uncle Donald.  

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Not long after posting this and getting some good replies, I went online to look at my daily newspaper and to my shock and horror I saw an article with regards to Joe Biden at the COP27, and his "cheat sheet" was visible, and there were instructions on it as to where to sit, who to sit next to and so on, almost a roadmap spelled-out for the guy.

 

IMO it backs up what I said in my post, and something has got to be done because two years henceforth, poor old Joe will probably be in a home somewhere, staring into space and dribbling, and certainly not fit to lead the USA again. Sad to say.

For the uninitiated, below explain. 
 

Protocol seating also known as seating arrangement is the placing of dignitaries and guests in designated seats according to their ranks, tittles or role at a given event, based on the exiting order of procedure.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

It's a shame as I like AOC but her left wing credentials are too easy for the GOP to denigrate and lampoon and their inability to understand the difference between socialism and communism certainly doesn't help.

 

 

A lot of Americans react to the term socialism much like they react to the taste of Vegemite. Which is ironic, given the American military has many socialist features.

 

Australia has had socialist governments on and off for many years, without doing us any harm. In fact, they are the governments most visible in terms of major reforms, whereas conservative governments are dedicated to preservation of the status quo. The most recent conservative government in Australia was also notable for its corruption.

[xylophone]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

For the uninitiated, below explain. 
 

Protocol seating also known as seating arrangement is the placing of dignitaries and guests in designated seats according to their ranks, tittles or role at a given event, based on the exiting order of procedure.

I understand that, having presented at several international forums, however this cheat sheet was almost telling him how to walk (exaggeration I know) but I'm sure you get my point.

 

Also the text was such that on the cheat sheet, it was stated thus, "YOU......will be sitting next to;  then again, YOU....will be.....

 

So his aides were seemingly treating him like an old codger, which unfortunately he is, and my point is that two years henceforth he'll be making even more gaffes than he does now. So hopefully new blood will be injected (not literally in his case) and will be able to take on anything that the GOP can throw at the Dems.

[ThailandRyan]

It appears that the Donald had his security team at Mara Lago block the exits so no one could leave his speech announcing his presidency and yes many wanted to leave during the speech apparently.

 

Donald Trump mocked over video showing his 'captive' audience blocked from exiting 2024 speech (msn.com)

 

“A crowd has formed by the exit of the ballroom as some try to leave Trump’s announcement speech before he has finished,” tweeted ABC News’ Olivia Rubin. “But security won’t let them.”

 

The video was posted minutes after Trump’s speech ended, but it clearly was taken during his speech as the audio makes clear he was still addressing the crowd at Mar-a-Lago.

 

MSNBC’s Katie S. Phang, an attorney, anchor, and legal contributor responded: “‘Captive’ audience there.”

“The speech attendees shown on the video weren’t the only ones who appeared to grow weary at Mr Trump’s low-energy remarks,” The Independent notes. “Several networks – including his once-beloved Fox News – cut away from the speech before it was over, while many of his once-loyal supporters – including family members – chose not to attend at all.”

[candide]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everything about Trump is fake, including this ‘run for the Presidency’.

 

But he can’t accept failure and he certainly will not pass his supporters off to the eventual GOP candidate.

 

The question then arises, will the slavish followers of Trump, vote for anyone else, or will they sit it out?

 

If the cult of Trump got the vote out, does the vote show up when he’s no longer the candidate?

 

What a mess the GOP have chosen for themselves.

They signed a pact with their own blood, and it usually doesn't turn out to lead to positive outcomes!

Edited November 17, 2022 by candide

[jerrymahoney]

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I see a poster is claiming God is on Trump's side, perhaps he is not aware Trump has openly mocked the religious groups supporting him.

... or perhaps he is not aware that God is on DeSantis's side:

 

Ron DeSantis' bonkers new ad has to be seen to be believed

Nov. 7, 2022

God may have made the world in six days and rested on the seventh, but according to the gospel of the Ron DeSantis re-election campaign, the Almighty needed one more day to complete His creation. On the eighth day, the campaign tells us, God sent Ron DeSantis to save America.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ron-desantis-new-ad-ridiculous-dangerous-rcna55773

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump will run but he may not make it pass the primaries. His favourability rating is dropping to new low and the negatives are stacked high against him and there are younger more talented Republicans snapping at his heels. Trump is no spring chicken at 78 in 2024 while Joe is only 3 years older and looks much healthier. 

While I agree with most of your post, I disagree that Biden looks healthy. IMO he is looking way older than his years, and has none of the vitality that Trump has.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While I agree with most of your post, I disagree that Biden looks healthy. IMO he is looking way older than his years, and has none of the vitality that Trump has.

Please show us some of this "vitality". Working out on a golf cart? Anything at all that looks like exercise.

 

[ozimoron]

"A growing chorus of Republican officials, lawmakers and activists blame the former president for their failure to regain control of the Senate and for what will be a narrow margin in the House," The Times reported.

"At an annual gathering of Republican governors in Orlando, donors and lobbyists mingled with governors past, present and future while weighing ways to wrest Mr. Trump from the party’s base.

Their main complaint was not over policy or even style, but losses the party has taken since Mr. Trump won the White House in 2016."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/loser-donald-trump-has-prominent-republicans-fleeing-or-employing-coping-mechanisms-report/

[billd766]

23 hours ago, xylophone said:

Not long after posting this and getting some good replies, I went online to look at my daily newspaper and to my shock and horror I saw an article with regards to Joe Biden at the COP27, and his "cheat sheet" was visible, and there were instructions on it as to where to sit, who to sit next to and so on, almost a roadmap spelled-out for the guy.

 

IMO it backs up what I said in my post, and something has got to be done because two years henceforth, poor old Joe will probably be in a home somewhere, staring into space and dribbling, and certainly not fit to lead the USA again. Sad to say.

And Trump will still be denying that he lost the election in 2020.

 

I don't expect the real POTUS, President Joe Biden, to run again anyway.

 

If he does, and he wins, he will be 81 at the start of his second 4 year term.

 

So President Biden had a cheat sheet.

 

A damn good idea, especially in a foreign country where you will be meeting many leaders from many countries, who you are expected to know and greet.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And Trump will still be denying that he lost the election in 2020.

 

I don't expect the real POTUS, President Joe Biden, to run again anyway.

 

If he does, and he wins, he will be 81 at the start of his second 4 year term.

 

So President Biden had a cheat sheet.

 

A damn good idea, especially in a foreign country where you will be meeting many leaders from many countries, who you are expected to know and greet.

I think Biden will follow Pelosis lead and hand the reins over to a younger generation who will make Trump look morbid.

[DezLez]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I think Biden will follow Pelosis lead and hand the reins over to a younger generation who will make Trump look morbid.

He will not of course say so at present! 

 

An incumbent politician who says he will not run again is instantly a lame duck politician whose ex-supporters look towards the new/rising star!

 

Behind the scenes that replacement will be getting well-groomed etc!

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, DezLez said:

He will not of course say so at present! 

 

An incumbent politician who says he will not run again is instantly a lame duck politician whose ex-supporters look towards the new/rising star!

 

Behind the scenes that replacement will be getting well-groomed etc!

Agree, he won't provide a distraction for the GOP's implosion.

[ThailandRyan]

54 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I think Biden will follow Pelosis lead and hand the reins over to a younger generation who will make Trump look morbid.

They will run Gavin Newscum

[ozimoron]

Russia, Russia, Russia.

 

Federal prosecutors have obtained a conviction of a longtime GOP strategist who illegally helped a Russian businessman funnel money to Donald Trump's 2016 campaign.

 

"Jesse Benton, 44, was pardoned by Trump in 2020 for a different campaign finance crime, months before he was indicted again on six counts related to facilitating an illegal foreign campaign donation. He was found guilty Thursday on all six counts,"

 

https://www.rawstory.com/jesse-benton-2658685268/

[ozimoron]

Donald Trump rode to victory against Hillary Clinton in 2016 with significant help from white, Protestant evangelicals, who make up about one-fifth of the electorate.

 

But evangelicals ages 18-25 — representing about 13 percent of Gen Z — are not nearly as likely as their parents and grandparents to be influenced by Republicans, according to a new poll from Neighborly Faith, which bills itself a student movement that introduces Christians to young people of other religions.

 

Neighborly Faith co-director Kevin Singer told Newsweek the shift in whom young evangelicals look to for influence could already be having an impact, pointing to midterm

elections in which the Republicans did not achieve the "red wave" of victories they had hoped for.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/now-trump-gop-are-losing-young-evangelicals-too-1760235