What to do.

[JimTripper]

Places like this are notorious for latching onto early stars, rock bands, etc. They send scouts out to find anybody with any talent, and secure early contracts that ensure they get profits from any future rising stars.

Edited December 2, 2022 by JimTripper

[IvorBiggun2]

38 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Places like this are notorious for latching onto early stars, rock bands, etc. They send scouts out to find anybody with any talent, and secure early contracts that ensure they get profits from any future rising stars.

I'm in no going to knock them for that. It's a business first and foremost. 

[ChrisKC]

Grammy-Nominated Singer, Voice Coach & Stage Director, William Morris. He is available for singing coaching at his music studio in Bangkok and for online consultation. Phone: (063) 171 0669 Email: [email protected]

 

I have cut and pasted this information from his YouTube Channel. I am one of his Subscribers.

 

He is not directly involved with your situation but I suspect he has contacts and may have some useful insights to help you move forward with it.

 

I have since contacted him and let him know you may contact him direct

Edited December 3, 2022 by ChrisKC
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[allanos]

First, congratulations to the OP for having such a talented

daughter and who, no doubt, brings much joy and pride to the

family for her abilities.

 

Second, and more importantly, perhaps, is, and given her age,

will the company ensure that a chaperone is always present,

in the future, should her father not be able to be with her on such

occasions.

[IvorBiggun2]

9 minutes ago, allanos said:

First, congratulations to the OP for having such a talented

daughter and who, no doubt, brings much joy and pride to the

family for her abilities.

 

Second, and more importantly, perhaps, is, and given her age,

will the company ensure that a chaperone is always present,

in the future, should her father not be able to be with her on such

occasions.

Thank you for your praises mate. I wus at a school band competition today in Phimai. Out of all the participants my daughter was the only singer that sang in English. It brought a tear to my eye. Dunno how the band fared as the judges did their marking later.

Back to your questions. Sorry but I can't answer them until we've been to Bangkok and met the reps from GMM. As a matter of course due to our daughters age my wife has already spoke about having her implanted with contraception. Not that we know she's sexually active. But better safe than sorry.

With regards to having a chaperone that will also be asked about on Dec 21. Unfortunately my MiL is away and in the event of her suddenly appearing she's in the running for the job. So until the 21st we're non the wiser but be sure I'll be asking questions even though my missus won't want me to.

[rwill]

No advise here.  Just wishing that everything works out for future.  Best of luck.

[Adumbration]

OP tread very very carefully here.

 

There are not the same protections here for minors as there are in western countries. But even in western countries there are lots of risks.

 

A good friend of mine from back in the my university days had a younger 16 year old sister that won a top modelling contract in Europe (not tin pot stuff either, super model $$$).

 

She was featured on the cover of vogue magazine and was set to be the next big thing.

 

Her contract had all of the requisite protection clauses because she was a teen.

 

But by 18 she was addicted to cocaine, ballooned out 30 kgs, and her contract was terminated.

[Adumbration]

On 12/1/2022 at 2:04 AM, Joe Farang said:

Your daughter is 15. Any contract you sign for her will become void when she is an adult and can legally make her own decisions.

You will not be signing her future away with a contract now.

This is an interesting point.  Perhaps the OP would be better just to let his daughter sign the contract.  If he does not join as a signatory then the contract can then be voided at any time.  However if he cosigns then he will be personally and financially liable for any breaches of the contract his daughter initiates.

[IvorBiggun2]

4 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

I have since contacted him and let him know you may contact him direct

Chris thank you for your concerns but one step at a time for us. All depending on the outcome of the meeting with GMM can we possible think of other avenues to go down. Both my wife and daughter see nothing but GMM as the way forward and due to their name and their reputation that's the way they want to go.

We live in the the NE and my daughter is in boarding school in Korat both making life somewhat more taxing than usual. 

[IvorBiggun2]

10 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

This is an interesting point.  Perhaps the OP would be better just to let his daughter sign the contract. 

My wife tells me that out daughter can't sign a legal contract until she reaches 20.

[ChrisKC]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Chris thank you for your concerns but one step at a time for us. All depending on the outcome of the meeting with GMM can we possible think of other avenues to go down. Both my wife and daughter see nothing but GMM as the way forward and due to their name and their reputation that's the way they want to go.

We live in the the NE and my daughter is in boarding school in Korat both making life somewhat more taxing than usual. 

By consulting someone who is an expert in everything musical and how that business works, you won't be taking any steps at all apart from getting an opinion that may assist both you and your daughter ask some of the questions you may not have thought of! 

 

If you are not in any committing situations right now, it always a good idea to seek advice that will help what is an unknown process be potentially become better informed to take those steps with confidence.  You have asked the non-experts on this forum including me but I do know someone who is and you have nothing to lose by contacting him. He is an Englishman, very personable and is extremely well known in the Music industry!

 

I wish you well at these exciting times for all your family!

[proton]

7 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

Grammy-Nominated Singer, Voice Coach & Stage Director, William Morris. He is available for singing coaching at his music studio in Bangkok and for online consultation. Phone: (063) 171 0669 Email: [email protected]

 

I have cut and pasted this information from his YouTube Channel. I am one of his Subscribers.

 

He is not directly involved with your situation but I suspect he has contacts and may have some useful insights to help you move forward with it.

 

I have since contacted him and let him know you may contact him direct

Grammy in the USA not the Thai company in Asoke, good if you want Opera coaching but not for luktung/morlam or phua cheewit, pop maybe. Grammy have their own voice coaches, songwriters, dance teachers and the most professional music company in Thailand.

Edited December 3, 2022 by proton

[hotchilli]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:55 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

May be, just may be, some one can help us. Any sensible advice will be appreciated.

Would it be possible for them to forward you a PDF copy of a  "contract" for you to read and fully understand prior to going to Bangkok for a meeting/signing?

This would give you time to read the entire document [small print], have a lawyer look at it if you're interested, and raise questions which could be asked before traveling to Bangkok?

Rather than going to Bangkok blind without knowing what they are going to do?

[hotchilli]

On 11/22/2022 at 9:27 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

My/our main concern is that it's taken a few years to get to where we are today and it would destroy my daughter if by being too inquisitive with questions it may go against her and GMM not bother with signing her up

What would destroy your daughter now & future is singing up with the wrong company..

Do your homework, not jump at the first one that's offering a contract.

Yes she's worked hard for a few years getting to this point, but she has many more years ahead of her which will be more important.

[IvorBiggun2]

44 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Would it be possible for them to forward you a PDF copy of a  "contract" for you to read and fully understand prior to going to Bangkok for a meeting/signing?

Had words with my missus yesterday evening and she's decided she will ask some of the questions posters and I have raised.

A question for some intellectual. When signing a contract is there such a thing as a cooling off period whereby one can change their mind after having the contract copy legally looked at? 

Edited December 4, 2022 by IvorBiggun2

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Had words with my missus yesterday evening and she's decided she will ask some of the questions posters and I have raised.

A question for some intellectual. When signing a contract is there such a thing as a cooling off period whereby one can change their mind after having the contract copy legally looked at? 

I would say no... once signed you have committed to the contract.

When you sign you are saying you have read and understand the contract...

[unless the contract states in writing a cooling off period]

Edited December 4, 2022 by hotchilli

[Gaccha]

2 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

When signing a contract is there such a thing as a cooling off period whereby one can change their mind after having the contract copy legally looked at

No. You sign after you've looked at it. 

 

There are some exceptions in English Law to this rule where the goverment has decided as a matter of public policy, the pressure is so great because of such an imbalance between parties, a forcible cooling off is required. These contracts are under the Consumer Contracts Regulations and the Consumer Credit Act and are for consumer contracts.

 

You are no consumer in this case. You are going to be shown the contract before agreeing to it. When you walk into a normal shop in Thailand, they don't offer up a contract for you to consider and negotiate; at best, the price is up for discussion. The contract is foisted upon you without you knowing anything about it. That's the experience of being a regular consumer.

 

In Thai law, there seems to be a similar, albeit narrower exception. Owing to the great pressure on naive consumers in direct sales marketing, there's a 7 day period cooling off, under the Direct Sales and Direct Marketing Act.

 

At the very least, you MUST have a lawyer summarize the document for you. Better than that, offer their opinion on it and warn you where required. As things stand, your intention to blindly sign is nuts.

[IvorBiggun2]

21 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

As things stand, your intention to blindly sign is nuts.

I see your point of view, along with all other responders, to my problem. My wife thinks that because she's never seen/heard of any complaints about GMM taking advantage of their stars, for want of a better word, then they must be okay and I'm worrying too much. 

I'm kinda stuck in a hole of what to do for the best. Either way I can see myself getting the blame if things go tits up. But if things go well it'll be 'I told you so'. 

[KhaoNiaw]

There are not actually many options for getting into the business here. It's pretty much a closed shop between a few big companies. This could be the only chance she's going to get.  So of course you need to do your due diligence and go through the terms of the contract, but GMM have done this hundreds of times before and I'd guess are not likely to be to pulling something that isn't standard in the industry. Unless they see really special potential, you probably won't have much negotiation room. Don't expect too much because they're just signing potential, maybe even the look or how they think they can present her as much as her singing talent. 

Edited December 4, 2022 by KhaoNiaw

[IvorBiggun2]

40 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

GMM have done this hundreds of times before and I'd guess are not likely to be to pulling something that isn't standard in the industry.

Exactly as my wife sees it.

 

41 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

This could be the only chance she's going to get. 

I know this and so does my wife & daughter. It simply boils down to keeping ones fingers crossed. Even if my daughter fails now you can be sure she won't give up. The band she's in won the competition they were in yesterday. Next round in Roi Et.

PS the band competition is nothing to do with GMM. 2 separate things.

[proton]

On 12/4/2022 at 11:50 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

I see your point of view, along with all other responders, to my problem. My wife thinks that because she's never seen/heard of any complaints about GMM taking advantage of their stars, for want of a better word, then they must be okay and I'm worrying too much. 

I'm kinda stuck in a hole of what to do for the best. Either way I can see myself getting the blame if things go tits up. But if things go well it'll be 'I told you so'. 

Don't think too much! The fist time I visited Grammy was 2001 to ask about booking a Siriporn Ampaipong concert. Been there many times since for Fan Tv and concerts, met loads of their singers, good friends with a couple. Never heard anything negative about them, even from people who left, apart from having to negotiate to sing their songs after leaving. She will be fine.

[IvorBiggun2]

We're getting a bit of a runaround at present. When first contacted by GMM we were told Dec 21 was the day to sign the contract in Bangkok. Okay, not really a problem even though our kids will lose 2/3 school days. 

About 5 days ago GMM contacted my wife and changed the venue to Khon Kaen on the 17th. Still not a problem as we are located bang in the middle between Khon Kaen and Bangkok. Next day they called again to say cancel Khon Kaen, and Bangkok was back on. Since then they've called again to say they can't decide which venue to use, leaving me dumbfounded as a simple task of signing a contract seems to be beyond them.      

Edited December 7, 2022 by IvorBiggun2

[Gaccha]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

leaving me dumbfounded as a simple task of signing a contract

They obviously are turning it into a signing ceremony, since the contract itself could be sent by post for you to sign. 

 

Ask for the draft contact by e-mail. If you receive it, you might want one or two of us to take a look at it.

 

This is becoming odd.

[IvorBiggun2]

8 hours ago, Gaccha said:

They obviously are turning it into a signing ceremony, since the contract itself could be sent by post for you to sign. 

Agreed.

They've now gave us Khon Kaen on the 24th as the contract date with an appointment time of 4pm. They say the signing will take approx 1 hr to include any questions that we may ask.

[NancyL]

I would think that most contract signings of this type would be in-person events, but with all parties having adequate time to review the documents in advance.  This isn't the type of contact where one party signs and sends it off via post to the other for signature.