Trump Organization found guilty on multiple counts of criminal tax fraud

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On 12/17/2022 at 11:43 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Full degree accreditation, travel anywhere in the world or stay in the US in one of these careers below.

 

Careers in gender studies

https://www.uvic.ca/humanities/gender/future/careers/index.php

 

EXERCISE SCIENCE DEGREE CAREERS, JOBS, AND SALARIES

https://www.calu.edu/academics/graduate/masters/exercise-science/exercise-science-careers-jobs-salaries.aspx

 

Or you could pay up to $35,000 for a 3 day seminar at Trump University and end up having to sue to get your money back because they were worthless?

 

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I forgot to congratulate you for blazing new legal trails. It's true that if you follow them to the end you'll fall of a cliff but still...

[Longwood50]

On 12/18/2022 at 7:01 AM, heybruce said:

If the university promised that an unwanted degree would lead to a high paying job it might be fraud.  Do any universities give that promise?

 

Well did Trump University tell any of those attending its courses that it would lead to a high paying job? 

There is an implied Warranty of Merchantibility meaning that goods and services are suppose to be reasanbly fit for the purpose intended. A college educations is suppose to prepare a person for a career.  I worked for both Merrill Lynch and UBS Paine Webber.  Even with a person investing only a few thousand dollars we were bound to work in our clients best interest, and have them invest money only in items suitable for meeting their investment goals.  So the colleges knowingly and willingly are fleecing students offering them courses and degrees that they have full knowledge leads to nothing.  

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Well did Trump University tell any of those attending its courses that it would lead to a high paying job? 

There is an implied Warranty of Merchantibility meaning that goods and services are suppose to be reasanbly fit for the purpose intended. A college educations is suppose to prepare a person for a career.  I worked for both Merrill Lynch and UBS Paine Webber.  Even with a person investing only a few thousand dollars we were bound to work in our clients best interest, and have them invest money only in items suitable for meeting their investment goals.  So the colleges knowingly and willingly are fleecing students offering them courses and degrees that they have full knowledge leads to nothing.  

Geez man, why in God's name would you still be defending Trump University?  The court case is over, Trump U lost, forced to pay back $25 mil.  This means they were guilty of fraud.  Your whataboutism regarding other colleges and degree programs is pointless and irrelevant.  You don't have a case.     

[ozimoron]

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This is a patently false claim. Two of three suits against Trump U were class action suits. IOW, they were brought by the victims.

 

The settlement applies to three separate lawsuits — two class-actions and a fraud case. The $25 million deal includes payouts to more than 6,000 Trump U students who paid thousands of dollars for courses they describe as worthless.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/31/522199535/judge-approves-25-million-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

You just proved my point.  These colleges are knowingly marketing these degrees as leading to careers. The fact that the college promotes them does not mean their are really jobs out there that pay anything 

Have you read the article? It doesn't particularly support your claims! (In case you did not realise, the title is meant to be ironic).

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If the job of professors at legitimate universiites was to upsell students to take more expensive course, you might have a point. But those were the marching orders to the instructors at Trump University. It was all about upselling with sales techniques laid out in detail.

“It was a façade, a total lie”: new documents reveal how Trump University’s scam worked

Trump University didn't even pretend its goal was to offer students an education. Internal documents show that it was a scam, with the sole goal of getting its students to sign up for more classes.

Jun 1, 2016, 2:00pm EDT

"Documents released Tuesday night, which Donald Trump fought to keep secret, show how recruiters were instructed to upsell potential "students" to a $35,000 mentorship, whether they could afford it or not.

"The risk isn't spending $35K — it's entering into the world of REAL ESTATE without specialized knowledge, guidance, and trained professionals in the field holding your hands," a "playbook" for salespeople told representatives of Trump University to say. "

https://www.vox.com/2016/6/1/11827596/trump-university-scam

 

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3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

No I asked you very directly and you have avoided answering.  If Trump University was an accreddited institution and offering courses in Zombies in the Media, Pupettering, the Sociology of Miley Cyrus would that be ok or would you blast him for knowingly offering worthless courses.  

The problem with your question for one thing is do students who take those course only take those courses? There is a long history in American higher education of something called "gut courses". Courses that had a low workload which allowed students to devote more time to other courses. And what do you mean by worthless. Is it worthless to study History or English Literature, even though it's unlikely that they will lead to good paying jobs? But an organization like Trump University offered nothing worthwhile either financially or intellectually. The goal of the instructors there, as documents revealed, documents that Trump tried to hide from the plaintiffs, was to upsell people into a far more expensive but equally worthless course. Worthless both intellectually and economically.

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18 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Candide

This is what is said about what colleges are offering

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/14-most-useless-college-degrees-231700400.html

My point is that you, just like Letticia Brown only see the evil in Trump and let absolutely identical fleecing of students go with no protest. 

If Trump Unversity was offering misleading, or fraudulent courses then it should be addressed.  But don't tell me that the other colleges in New York and the rest of the USA are not similarly knowingly offering worthless degrees and courses but the Letticia Brown's of this world only see their role to score political points and not really address fraud in education. 

 

No, not identical. The main goal for Trump instructors was to sell students on far more expensive but equally worthless courses. As the documents that Trump was compelled to disgorge prove.

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, candide said:

Have you read the article? It doesn't particularly support your claims! (In case you did not realise, the title is meant to be ironic).

He missed most physical education teachers are certified and hold a four-year degree in teaching exercise science or related subjects.

[pomchop]

On 12/8/2022 at 11:49 AM, Pattaya Spotter said:

That was proven at trial...my recollection is that President Trump asserted his Fifth Amendment right to not testify in this case and nothing was proven against him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/10/1116714746/trump-testimony-deposition-new-york

But trump says only guilty people plead the fifth:

 

Trump pleaded the Fifth more than 440 times during his deposition in New York, answering only a question about what his name is

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3 minutes ago, pomchop said:

But trump says only guilty people plead the fifth:

 

Trump pleaded the Fifth more than 440 times during his deposition in New York, answering only a question about what his name is

Which in civil cases is legitimate to use as evidence against him.

[Scott]

Off-topic, whataboutism, troll posts and replies removed. 

 

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Well did Trump University tell any of those attending its courses that it would lead to a high paying job? 

There is an implied Warranty of Merchantibility meaning that goods and services are suppose to be reasanbly fit for the purpose intended. A college educations is suppose to prepare a person for a career.  I worked for both Merrill Lynch and UBS Paine Webber.  Even with a person investing only a few thousand dollars we were bound to work in our clients best interest, and have them invest money only in items suitable for meeting their investment goals.  So the colleges knowingly and willingly are fleecing students offering them courses and degrees that they have full knowledge leads to nothing.  

"The "university" started with a free 90-minute seminar, continued to a three-day seminar that cost $1,495, and charged $35,000 for the "Trump Gold Elite" package, which promised personal mentorship from experienced instructors "handpicked by Trump.""

"At every seminar, students were told that the most valuable secrets were only available at the next, more expensive level, according to an investigation from New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman."

"Instead, most of the curriculum came from an unnamed "third-party company that creates and develops materials for an array of motivational speakers and seminar and timeshare rental companies.""  https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067429/trump-university

 

"The free seminars were the first step in a bait and switch to induce prospective students to enroll in increasingly expensive seminars starting with the three-day $1495 seminar and ultimately one of respondents’ advanced seminars such as the “Gold Elite” program costing $35,000."

"At the “free” 90-minute introductory seminars to which Trump University advertisements and solicitations invited prospective students, Trump University instructors engaged in a methodical, systematic series of misrepresentations designed to convince students to sign up for the Trump University three-day seminar at a cost of $1495."   https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-university-scam/

 

I have degrees from Duke University and the Air Force Institute of Technology.  I've taken graduate engineering courses at the University of New Mexico and specialty courses at MIT and UCLA, among other schools.  I was never promised anything more than the opportunity to learn. 

 

The fraudulent Trump University certainly violated any implied Warranty of Merchantability, but real universities don't.  Real universities provide an education in any number of fields.  Real universities don't urge people to max out their credit cards with promises of skills that will let them get rich in real estate taught by professors hand-picked by Trump (they weren't).

 

Regarding your Merrill Lynch and UBS Paine Webber work experience; financial planners who are fiduciaries are required by law to work in their clients interests.  Most people who present themselves are financial planners are not fiduciaries and steer clients to products that pay the planners generous commissions and other fees.  Consumers beware.

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

Tuesday the former president is about to face a further blow that could be even worse.

 

The latest setback for the former president will likely come if the Democratic-controlled House Ways and Means Committee votes on whether to publicly release years of Donald Trump’s tax returns as expected.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-tax-returns-2658988082/

[ozimoron]

Yes, bring it on! I have never understood why anyone's tax records should be secret in any way, shape or form. They should all be a matter of public record.

 

Dems' decision on Trump’s taxes could provide GOP with a revenge tool in 2023

 

The House Ways and Means Committee, chaired by Massachusetts Democrat Richard Neal, will decide if they want to make public former President Donald Trump's tax records from 2015 to 2020.

 

In the New York Times story, George Yin, an emeritus tax law professor from the University of Virginia called the possibility, "the end of tax privacy to me," he continued. "Essentially no one's tax information is really protected, as long as you cross some interest who happens to be in power at some particular point in time, then we will all be vulnerable."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/the-end-of-tax-privacy-will-dems-decision-on-tuesday-provide-gop-with-revenge-tool-in-2023/

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On 12/7/2022 at 4:01 PM, EVENKEEL said:

C'mon you have to admit this is embarrassing for the dems, all the talk of Trump behind bars is pretty funny isn't it? Me, I fully expected to Trump himself to be found out for tax fraud.

 

Anyone of us who uses the long form because of rentals and business and such have done some fuzzy math on our taxes. And, I'd bet Trump has done some extreme fuzzy math, and the highlight out of this is.......................

The Trump Organization could face a maximum of $1.61 million in fines when sentenced in mid-January.

Yup. The conviction means is virtually insignificat to the Trump Organization...oh wait a minute...

Judge to Trump: Stop Stonewalling Letitia James With ‘Frivolous’ Filings

 In his ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Donald Middlebrooks denied Trump’s appeal, writing: “The Trump Organization has already been found guilty by a New-York jury of several counts of tax fraud. To now impede a civil Enforcement Action by the New York Attorney General would be unprecedented and contrary to the interests of the people of New York.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-to-trump-stop-stonewalling-letitia-james-with-frivolous-filings