Florida teachers forced to remove books from their classrooms—or face felony charges

[wwest5829]

16 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

You use to fill your students head with angry gender, trans and race ideology?

According to some, my teaching about the growth of the institutional Christian Church and the actions taken against those who were not Christian (or not the right “brand”)  … the exposure to the slavery and its results, the result of Europeans (including my DNA in MA, RI, Southern NJ) colonizing on the native cultures including the documented purposeful actions of genocide, would be cited as some as being wrong. I sought to teach the historically documented good, the bad and the ugly in order for students to reflect on how we got to where we appear to be. Fortunately, I chose to study European and American History (including Latin America) in addition to study in 7 countries so my background is rather broad in comprehending much of the various influences affecting our current human condition. And the more I have learned, the more I recognize that which I do not know. Not something that, apparently is faced by many.

[ozimoron]

44 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Found one in Canada ..........

https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/grant-frost-transgender-teacher-fracas-turns-schools-into-social-debate-flashpoint-100778694/

 

And another in Canada .........

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-laurent-drag-queen-barbada-1.6512634

 

OK, found one but not in Florida ...........

https://njedreport.com/2022/07/27/njea-is-teaching-first-grade-teachers-how-to-perform-drag-queen-story-hour/

 

 

You didn't come close to what I asked you to prove. That the left is teaching kids to be karens, etc.

[ozimoron]

The MAGA DeSantis experience is the epitomy of what the book 1984 was warning us about. Lies becoming truth and the double speak.

[ozimoron]

35 minutes ago, puck2 said:

May I add one example of Germany, but generally understandable:

Concerning the content of Adolf Hitler's book "Mein Kampf", it is racist and very dump. You should not agree with the content, but people should have the opprotunity to  read it to have their own critical oppinion. If you are not allowed to read it, how can you trust people talking about it?

Result, even if the content of  books may be dangerous or idiotic, give the young people a chance for their own opinion. But this needs critical thinking.  And that depends on the age of school children and on the moral and the law.

Some books do need to be banned and that it one of them. That isn't the subject of this thread which is about ANY books not being allowed unless approved by the Ministry of Truth.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Correct:  The DeSantis ideology of banning all books not on a government/Big Brother approved list.

False.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

False.

A positive contribution or just being irritating?

[BangkokReady]

54 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

According to some, my teaching about the growth of the institutional Christian Church and the actions taken against those who were not Christian (or not the right “brand”)  … the exposure to the slavery and its results, the result of Europeans (including my DNA in MA, RI, Southern NJ) colonizing on the native cultures including the documented purposeful actions of genocide, would be cited as some as being wrong. I sought to teach the historically documented good, the bad and the ugly in order for students to reflect on how we got to where we appear to be. Fortunately, I chose to study European and American History (including Latin America) in addition to study in 7 countries so my background is rather broad in comprehending much of the various influences affecting our current human condition. And the more I have learned, the more I recognize that which I do not know. Not something that, apparently is faced by many.

Doesn't sound like the agenda being disgust at all.

[BangkokReady]

Just now, ozimoron said:

A positive contribution or just being irritating?

Irritating is subjective. I suppose some people find the truth irritating, especially where it challenges their position. ????‍♂️

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

Irritating is subjective. I suppose some people find the truth irritating, especially where it challenges their position. ????‍♂️

Your post didn't allude to any truth did it. Simply writing "false" is nothing other than irritating and a waste of time. Make an argument or keep your peace.

[Eric Loh]

Desantis like to call Florida “the free state of Florida”. What an irony. And the right advocators of the 1st Amendment nodded like sheep in agreement. Lol. 

[BangkokReady]

50 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Some books do need to be banned and that it one of them. That isn't the subject of this thread which is about ANY books not being allowed unless approved by the Ministry of Truth.

It sounds fairly similar. The essence of the restriction seems to be to keep harmful books out of the classroom.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, 2009 said:

Not sure what your point is here.

Of course you're not.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/george-santos-drag-queen-admission-complete-disaster-republicans-1775623

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

It sounds fairly similar. The essence of the restriction seems to be to keep harmful books out of the classroom.

It's straight out censorship. If they want to censor a book they should name it and explain why. Nobody objects to censoring pornography in schools, as an example. It's always been that way. The legislation is clearly a way to exclude books they don't like for political reasons without have to name them and explain why.

[BangkokReady]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Your post didn't allude to any truth did it. Simply writing "false" is nothing other than irritating and a waste of time. Make an argument or keep your peace.

I was simply responding in kind.

[Photoguy21]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

All because trumpist fascist demagogue DeSantis hopes to be president. 

 

DeSantis Is 'Very Dangerous Individual' Without Trump's Drama: Expert (businessinsider.com)

 

 

And he doesnt go for the ridiculous woke rubbish. That is evil

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

I was simply responding in kind.

That's self evidently not the case. A point was made and you failed to refute it with any kind of argument. Your opinion of what is truth and what is not doesn't interest anybody. You need to bring people over to your point of view. Failing to even attempt that is irritating. .

Edited January 30, 2023 by ozimoron

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's straight out censorship. If they want to censor a book they should name it and explain why. Nobody objects to censoring pornography in schools, as an example. It's always been that way. The legislation is clearly a way to exclude books they don't like for political reasons without have to name them and explain why.

That simply isn't practical. How would they know every book available?

 

The first they would  know is if a parent or concerned student raised the alarm and they then had a chance to look into it. This might never happen, and by the time it did it might be too late.

 

Restricting the books that teachers are allowed to bring into the classroom to an approved list is a lot safer for the students.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

And if they only exclude one-sided radical books that focus on identity politics and ideology, which would likely be forced on the students by the teacher? Will that make lids dumb?

Again, you are back to the problem of definitions. 
 

I doubt very much if the supporters of politicians deciding what books children must not read have ever read any of the books, I doubt too tge politicians have either.

 

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

That simply isn't practical. How would they know every book available?

 

The first they would  know is if a parent or concerned student raised the alarm and they then had a chance to look into it. This might never happen, and by the time it did it might be too late.

 

Restricting the books that teachers are allowed to bring into the classroom to an approved list is a lot safer for the students.

What they are doing is censoring every book available without having to explain why, unless it conforms to their ideology. No other state or country does that.

 

They should rely on complaints then review the complaint, just like everyone else does. This complaint system underpins our whole society.

Edited January 30, 2023 by ozimoron

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's self evidently not the case. A point was made and you failed to refute it with any kind of argument. Your opinion of what is truth and what is not doesn't interest anybody. You need to bring people over to your point of view. Failing to even attempt that is irritating. .

You might think that, but I have a different opinion to you. To me, they simply repeated something already said in an almost "I know you are but what am I?" way. So I responded in kind.

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again, you are back to the problem of definitions. 
 

I doubt very much if the supporters of politicians deciding what books children must not read have ever read any of the books, I doubt too tge politicians have either.

So simply have a restricted list for teachers to take into the classroom and be done with it. Good idea.

[2009]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course you're not.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/george-santos-drag-queen-admission-complete-disaster-republicans-1775623

What I am getting from this is that conservatives don't agree with 'drag shows' for children.

 

And I agree. 

 

I have nothing against drag queens, but those shows are not for kids. What ever happened to kids watching cartoons and the like? Lol

[ozimoron]

Just now, BangkokReady said:

So simply have a restricted list for teachers to take into the classroom and be done with it. Good idea.

It's not about classroom libraries, that a right wing talking point. It's all school libraries.

[ozimoron]

Just now, 2009 said:

What I am getting from this is that conservatives don't agree with 'drag shows' for children.

 

And I agree. 

 

I have nothing against drag queens, but those shows are not for kids. What ever happened to kids watching cartoons and the like? Lol

Whatever happened to the black and white minstrel show?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Don't care about anyone's lifestyle.

But if you like bondage and whipping, no need to tell children about it.

I don’t and I don’t.

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

What they are doing is censoring every book available without having to explain why, unless it conforms to their ideology. No other state or country does that.

If their ideology is "keep kids safe", why is that so bad?

 

Multiple people have explained multiple times what this is about. Why keep pretending like they're banning every book except for a very narrow few that conform to their ideology? It's obviously about protecting children from a certain type of harmful ideology.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

If their ideology is "keep kids safe", why is that so bad?

 

Multiple people have explained multiple times what this is about. Why keep pretending like they're banning every book except for a very narrow few that conform to their ideology? It's obviously about protecting children from a certain type of harmful ideology.

It is keeping kids safe. Banning every book except for "ideologically correct" books is dangerous for kids.

 

I've made my point and now I have work to do. Enjoy your day ????

Edited January 30, 2023 by ozimoron

[2009]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

It is keeping kids safe. Banning every book except for "ideologically correct" books is dangerous for kids.

Well, there are some very dangerous books, right?

 

You wouldn't agree with them reading the works of Hitler, would you?

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It's obviously about protecting children from a certain type of harmful ideology.

Is history a type of harmful ideology. Desantis say yes. 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/17/florida-rejects-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

So simply have a restricted list for teachers to take into the classroom and be done with it. Good idea.

So there you go, start with banning books and move on to banning teachers.

 

I really do suggest you read the history of the first half of tge 20th Century.