Popular Post KhunLA Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 Argentina pulls out of pact with UK on Falklands https://www.brusselstimes.com/388221/argentina-pulls-out-of-pact-with-uk-on-falklands-malvinas 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Who do they think they are .......Russia regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, worgeordie said: Who do they think they are .......Russia regards Worgeordie Who? The UK? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Where's Mrs Thatcher when you need her? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simon43 Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 This might not end well. Britain's navy is now severely depleted and no PM was as tough as Maggie. I'm sure the Argies know this and realise that they can take the Falklands by force and Britain will be unable to do anything about it. 4 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RickG16 Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, simon43 said: This might not end well. Britain's navy is now severely depleted and no PM was as tough as Maggie. I'm sure the Argies know this and realise that they can take the Falklands by force and Britain will be unable to do anything about it. Really? You honestly think the military resources Argentina has comes close to the UK? 3 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, simon43 said: This might not end well. Britain's navy is now severely depleted and no PM was as tough as Maggie. I'm sure the Argies know this and realise that they can take the Falklands by force and Britain will be unable to do anything about it. And anyway. It says they want to renegotiate. Not try and retake the islands. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, RickG16 said: And anyway. It says they want to renegotiate. Not try and retake the islands. Population of The Falkland Islands voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. Anyway, it doesn't matter even if UK had no Navy. NATO has to back-up any member nation if invaded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Like they did the last time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: Population of The Falkland Islands voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. Anyway, it doesn't matter even if UK had no Navy. NATO has to back-up any member nation if invaded. Like they did the last time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Salerno Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: NATO has to back-up any member nation if invaded. No they don't (with regard to the topic at hand), perhaps you need to have a more in-depth look at the agreement. Edited March 3, 2023 by Salerno Added caveat before the pedantics kick in 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said: Like they did the last time. We didn't need any assistance. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: We didn't need any assistance. Nevertheless, assistance was excepted from various nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Salerno said: No they don't, perhaps you need to have a more in-depth look at the agreement. Because of geographical location? It's still UK territory inhabited by Brits. We have 'special arrangements' with non-NATO Countries (such as Chile) which proved most useful in 1982. I've personally taken part in a NATO exercise hosted by Chile (USA in command of course). Any more monkey business from those Italians who speak Spanish and think they're English and they won't know what (or who) has hit them! 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Well... to be fair, If Argentina owned the Shetland Islands, many would see a very fair claim from Scotland, particularly if Scotland has always historically laid claim. To the independent observer it would only seem fair that the Islands are returned to Argentina. Obviously there is a ‘human’ side to this thus a prolonged handover would seem reasonable. OR... We just go to war again over a ‘fishing island’ with no other resources, half the size of wales with the population of a village some 13,000 km away... 27x further than the Patagonian mainland. Edited March 3, 2023 by richard_smith237 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Well... to be fair, If Argentina owned the Shetland Islands Scotland many would see a very fair claim from Scotland, particularly if Scotland has always historically laid claim. To the independent observer it would only seem fair that the Islands are returned to Argentina. Obviously there is a ‘human’ side to this thus a prolonged handover would seem reasonable. OR... We just go to war again over some land half the size of wales with the population of a village some 13,000 km away... 27x further than the Patagonian mainland. Valid points Richard! At the time we thought 'The Falklands' was going to be a mere skirmish with a very rapid conclusion with Argentina quickly withdrawing when they realised we were serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Well... to be fair, If Argentina owned the Shetland Islands, many would see a very fair claim from Scotland, particularly if Scotland has always historically laid claim. To the independent observer it would only seem fair that the Islands are returned to Argentina. Obviously there is a ‘human’ side to this thus a prolonged handover would seem reasonable. OR... We just go to war again over a ‘fishing island’ with no other resources, half the size of wales with the population of a village some 13,000 km away... 27x further than the Patagonian mainland. Why should the UK hand over the Islands with all its natural and mineral resources ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said: Why should the UK hand over the Islands with all its natural and mineral resources ? It is complicated, to say the least. Stolen by colonials (Spanish), not part of Argentina when became independent, then stolen by Britain and a number of Argentinian inhabitants expelled. Vast majority of present inhabitants wish to remain Brits. Who are the actual original owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: It is complicated, to say the least. Stolen by colonials (Spanish), not part of Argentina when became independent, then stolen by Britain and a number of Argentinian inhabitants expelled. Vast majority of present inhabitants wish to remain Brits. Who are the actual original owners? Similar could be said about the USA, Australia, New Zealand etc.....???? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Las Malvinas Son Argentinas innit? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Las Malvinas Son Argentinas innit? It's called the Falklands.................. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, transam said: It's called the Falklands.................. That's debateable. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: That's debateable. When the French were previously in residence, they named it Malovines, the Spanish did their thing there too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted March 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Well... to be fair, If Argentina owned the Shetland Islands, many would see a very fair claim from Scotland, particularly if Scotland has always historically laid claim. To the independent observer it would only seem fair that the Islands are returned to Argentina. Obviously there is a ‘human’ side to this thus a prolonged handover would seem reasonable. OR... We just go to war again over a ‘fishing island’ with no other resources, half the size of wales with the population of a village some 13,000 km away... 27x further than the Patagonian mainland. Returned to Argentina? That's impossible. The Falklands have never been Argentinian. 3 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, youreavinalaff said: Returned to Argentina? That's impossible. The Falklands have never been Argentinian. Well, a few French lived there before the British laid claim in about 1833... So the French may have laid claim before that... but before that the Spanish passed on Las Malvinas to the Argentinians in circa 1800.... so... I think you’re just avinalaff.... Edited March 4, 2023 by richard_smith237 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Well, a few French lived there before the British laid claim in about 1833... So the French may have laid claim before that... but before that the Spanish passed on Las Malvinas to the Argentinians in circa 1800.... so... I think you’re just avinalaff.... Incorrect. When Argentina achieved independence from Spain, the Falklands were already under British control. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackGats Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 If I'm not mistaken the reason the UK wanted to hang on to those islands was because oil reserves were suspected nearby. Now those islands are only a dead loss. If I were the Argentines I'd let the UK pay until the cows come home to maintain the life-line. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 The UK will never stop paying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 The UK will never stop paying. 36 minutes ago, JackGats said: If I'm not mistaken the reason the UK wanted to hang on to those islands was because oil reserves were suspected nearby. Now those islands are only a dead loss. If I were the Argentines I'd let the UK pay until the cows come home to maintain the life-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JackGats said: If I'm not mistaken the reason the UK wanted to hang on to those islands was because oil reserves were suspected nearby. Now those islands are only a dead loss. If I were the Argentines I'd let the UK pay until the cows come home to maintain the life-line. I think you'll find it's because the Falkland Islanders are British citizens. They voted to remain as such by way of self determination Edited March 4, 2023 by youreavinalaff 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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