Fox News cut out Trump saying he might let Russia take over areas of Ukraine as part of peace deal

[Scott]

 

Fox News cut out comments by former President Donald Trump in which he said he would have considered letting Russia have parts of Ukraine as part of a peace deal between the nations. 

In an interview on Fox News host Sean Hannity's radio show on Monday, which is not broadcast by Fox, Trump revealed how he would try and broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine in the wake of Russia's invasion last year. 

Trump has claimed he can quickly bring an end to the war as he seeks election again in 2024. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-cuts-trump-let-russia-have-bits-of-ukraine-2023-3

 

[ozimoron]

Fake News, he'd let them have all of it just like his MAGA sycophants in congress. All beholden to Putin.

[internationalism]

peace deal is between two sides, the mediator suppose to be neutral.

Exact agreement depends on military and political situation. 

Crimea and 4 annexed regions are already incorporated to russia, approved by their parliament. 

There is matter how much of those 20% territories is negotiable. 

With new, longer range weapons ukraine might be receiving shortly, might bite them back - russia will try to push further from their borders to secure them.

Edited March 9, 2023 by internationalism

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, internationalism said:

peace deal is between two sides, the mediator suppose to be neutral.

Exact agreement depends on military and political situation. 

Crimea and 4 annexed regions are already incorporated to russia, approved by their parliament. 

There is matter how much of those 20% territories is negotiable. 

With new, longer range weapons ukraine might be receiving shortly, might bite them back - russia will try to push further from their borders to secure them.

What with?

 

"Preliminary information indicates that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have already almost used up the entire supply of artillery ammunition located in warehouses in the central part of Russia.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/shortage-ammunition-expected-russian-artillery-061644413.html

 

The head of the Wagner mercenary force that has led the assault renewed his criticism of Moscow’s military leaders over the weekend and warned that Russia’s positions in the area could be in jeopardy if the supply issues weren’t resolved.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-fight-shovels-ammo-shortage-bakhmut-prigozhin-wagner-rcna73501

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, internationalism said:

peace deal is between two sides, the mediator suppose to be neutral.

Exact agreement depends on military and political situation. 

Crimea and 4 annexed regions are already incorporated to russia, approved by their parliament. 

There is matter how much of those 20% territories is negotiable. 

With new, longer range weapons ukraine might be receiving shortly, might bite them back - russia will try to push further from their borders to secure them.

Not approved by Ukraine so all those stolen lands are still Ukraine. 

The two sides are nowhere near a possible negotiation.

[heybruce]

Trump is willing to throw Ukraine under the bus in order to make his pal Putin happy.  Is anyone surprised? 

[Jingthing]

The thing about Trump is that he's obviously Putin's poodle.

The obvious subtext of Trump's bogus peace plan is that he would blackmail Ukraine by saying we will cut off military aid if you don’t cave in to Putin.

Biden would never do that unless forced to by pro Putin Republicans in congress.

The American republican fascists relate to authoritarians like Putin for very perverted reasons.

Decent pro democracy Americans must continue to support Ukraine in its existential struggle to save their country while at the same time battle the fascists within. A very tall order.

[Chomper Higgot]

First Trump tries to extort Zelensky by threatening to withhold military aid in exchange for announcing a fake investigation into the Biden’s.

 

Zelensky refuses, so Trump goes all in on backing any pro-Putin/anti-Ukrainian position.

 

Trump supporters step in line and do likewise.

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

What with?

 

"Preliminary information indicates that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have already almost used up the entire supply of artillery ammunition located in warehouses in the central part of Russia.

 

From the same (Ukrainian) article:

A shortage of ammunition should be expected within the next 2-3 months in the artillery units of the Russian army.

At present, the movement of ammunition from warehouses located in other regions of Russia to the territory of the temporarily occupied part of Ukraine is being observed. This significantly increases the delivery time."

 

Shouldn't take them 2-3 months to move ammo.

[bamnutsak]

Fox News, censorship?

 

What is the world coming to?

 

 

[placeholder]

11 hours ago, internationalism said:

 

Crimea and 4 annexed regions are already incorporated to russia, approved by their parliament. 

There is matter how much of those 20% territories is negotiable. 

This is true of the 4 annexed regions. Russia has claimed to annex them but what do the facts on the ground say?

[Tug]

Trump will NEVER be in a position to offer anyone a peace deal ever!

[stevenl]

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At the time Russia offered full withdrawal for Ukraine becoming neutral militarily, but keeping Crimea. Ukrainians agreed.

Not true, one of your many lies here.

[onthedarkside]

A post making unsubstantiated claims has been removed. You know who you are.

[Eric Loh]

I shudder to think what will happen to Ukraine if Trump won his second term. With no leader to rally western alliance to give Zelensky military aids, Ukraine will be overrun in days with heavy casualties and refugees crisis in Europe. Biden’s leadership with allies is the only reason Putin’s aggression has been halted. Trump is no peace broker but an ally of Putin with his deep ties with Kremlin and will do Putin bidding to further his fascist ambition in Europe. 

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is true of the 4 annexed regions. Russia has claimed to annex them but what do the facts on the ground say?

I forgot to put a question mark at the end of the first sentence which changed the meaning by about 180 degrees. Here's how my comment should read

This is true of the 4 annexed regions? Russia has claimed to annex them but what do the facts on the ground say?

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I forgot to put a question mark at the end of the first sentence which changed the meaning by about 180 degrees. Here's how my comment should read

This is true of the 4 annexed regions? Russia has claimed to annex them but what do the facts on the ground say?

Here are some facts of the 4 annexed regions. The annexation occured after internationally unrecognised referendums held days prior when organized by the Russian occupation administration. The annexation is unrecognized by the international community with the exception of North Korea. 

[h90]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not approved by Ukraine so all those stolen lands are still Ukraine. 

The two sides are nowhere near a possible negotiation.

There were rumors that a peace deal was negotiated with Russia keeping the east, Poland getting land in the west. I doubt they have asked Ukraine to approve it....

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, h90 said:

There were rumors that a peace deal was negotiated with Russia keeping the east, Poland getting land in the west. I doubt they have asked Ukraine to approve it....

When someone write "There were rumors that..." or "I heard that" or "People are saying that" it doesn't exactly buttress my faith in the truth of what is being alleged.

Edited March 10, 2023 by placeholder

[h90]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

When someone write "There were rumors that..." or "I heard that" or "People are saying that" it doesn't exactly buttress my faith in the truth of what is being alleged.

You got the meaning of the word "rumor" right.....That why I said it is rumors and I didn't say it is a sure fact.
 

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, h90 said:

You got the meaning of the word "rumor" right.....That why I said it is rumors and I didn't say it is a sure fact.
 

And unless you were listening to voices in your head, is there an external verifiable source for this rumor. If not, this could be just a worthless piece of disinformation. The kind used to poison discussion.

[h90]

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And unless you were listening to voices in your head, is there an external verifiable source for this rumor. If not, this could be just a worthless piece of disinformation. The kind used to poison discussion.

Of course it can be a worthless piece of misinformation, because both sides fight a propaganda war. But several sources claimed that it happened...that can be all nonsense of course. But the west of Ukraine is very Polish influenced so it would make sense and similar things happened in the past (when Poland got shared between Russia and Germany). But even if did not happen it is for sure something both countries think about as it seems very logical

[placeholder]

On 3/10/2023 at 3:04 PM, h90 said:

Of course it can be a worthless piece of misinformation, because both sides fight a propaganda war. But several sources claimed that it happened...that can be all nonsense of course. But the west of Ukraine is very Polish influenced so it would make sense and similar things happened in the past (when Poland got shared between Russia and Germany). But even if did not happen it is for sure something both countries think about as it seems very logical

Actually, it's Russia making the unfounded claim that Poland is planning to annex parts of Ukraine. You seem to be repeating a distorted version of Russian disinformation by adding in that there were negotiations under way.. And that you claim  "for sure something both countries think about as it seems very logical" is very revealing about where you are coming from. But is clearly ridiculous. You think Poles want to absorb millions of Ukrainians into their polity? That's got to be a political disaster in the making.

 

Why Russia Keeps Insisting That Poland Is Preparing to Partition Ukraine

The Russian leadership has repeatedly made the outlandish claim that Poland is preparing to annex territories in western Ukraine. Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) director Sergei Naryshkin recently made this assertion, and he was not the first to do so. Over the past months, Russian President Vladimir Putin several times stated that the idea of absorbing Ukraine is still alive and well in Poland, while Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned that Warsaw “is already making moves to seize western Ukrainian territories.” 

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88585

The article goes on to point out that Russia has also claimed that Hungary and Romania want a piece of Ukraine, too.

Edited March 12, 2023 by metisdead
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[candide]

For once, Trump has been holding a consistent position over time. From the start in 2014.

 

"Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that “the rest of Ukraine will fall … fairly quickly.” Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Trump said in a TV interview that the Crimean people “would rather be with Russia,” a position he also pushed in private. One of his 2016 campaign aides falsely claimed that “Russia did not seize Crimea.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

 

[h90]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it's Russia making the unfounded claim that Poland is planning to annex parts of Ukraine. You seem to be repeating a distorted version of Russian disinformation by adding in that there were negotiations under way.. And that you claim  "for sure something both countries think about as it seems very logical" is very revealing about where you are coming from. But is clearly ridiculous. You think Poles want to absorb millions of Ukrainians into their polity? That's got to be a political disaster in the making.

 

Why Russia Keeps Insisting That Poland Is Preparing to Partition Ukraine

The Russian leadership has repeatedly made the outlandish claim that Poland is preparing to annex territories in western Ukraine. Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) director Sergei Naryshkin recently made this assertion, and he was not the first to do so. Over the past months, Russian President Vladimir Putin several times stated that the idea of absorbing Ukraine is still alive and well in Poland, while Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned that Warsaw “is already making moves to seize western Ukrainian territories.” 

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88585

The article goes on to point out that Russia has also claimed that Hungary and Romania want a piece of Ukraine, too.

The West of Ukraine...noone wants the center of it. The West is almost Polish. And why is that outlandish? It sounds very logical. Hungary did complain that Ukraine treat the Hungarian minority badly. If Ukraine complete collapse (no active government) it sound logical that these countries protect their minorities that are direct at the border with some protected zone.
There might not been concrete negotiations but for sure it is not outlandish and for sure Russia would like it. Poland might consider it too expensive or political risky. If it brings peace, why not...everything is better than having people die.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, h90 said:

The West of Ukraine...noone wants the center of it. The West is almost Polish. And why is that outlandish? It sounds very logical. Hungary did complain that Ukraine treat the Hungarian minority badly. If Ukraine complete collapse (no active government) it sound logical that these countries protect their minorities that are direct at the border with some protected zone.
There might not been concrete negotiations but for sure it is not outlandish and for sure Russia would like it. Poland might consider it too expensive or political risky. If it brings peace, why not...everything is better than having people die.

Another reason it's ridiculous is that Poland is a member of NATO. It's not going to risk membership in NATO in order to share a lot more border with Russia than it already does.

If you meant that the west of ukraine is almost all polish, that's false, It's about 25% ethnically polish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ukraine

[placeholder]

20 minutes ago, h90 said:

The West of Ukraine...noone wants the center of it. The West is almost Polish. And why is that outlandish? It sounds very logical. Hungary did complain that Ukraine treat the Hungarian minority badly. If Ukraine complete collapse (no active government) it sound logical that these countries protect their minorities that are direct at the border with some protected zone.
There might not been concrete negotiations but for sure it is not outlandish and for sure Russia would like it. Poland might consider it too expensive or political risky. If it brings peace, why not...everything is better than having people die.

And here's another reason. Poland receives the most net EU funding of any EU member. By far. 

[ozimoron]

20 hours ago, h90 said:

The West of Ukraine...noone wants the center of it. The West is almost Polish. And why is that outlandish? It sounds very logical. Hungary did complain that Ukraine treat the Hungarian minority badly. If Ukraine complete collapse (no active government) it sound logical that these countries protect their minorities that are direct at the border with some protected zone.
There might not been concrete negotiations but for sure it is not outlandish and for sure Russia would like it. Poland might consider it too expensive or political risky. If it brings peace, why not...everything is better than having people die.

Here's a better peace plan...

 

This month, the Turkish government, which mediated peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow last year, abruptly halted the transit of sanctioned goods to Russia, after having received several warnings from the European Union and the United States about these products helping Russia's war effort in Ukraine.

 

This week, Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announced his country will reassess its relationship with Russia. Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine last February and the following sanctions imposed by the EU, Orbán has kept an ambivalent stance towards Moscow.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-dealt-double-blow-two-closest-allies-turn-him-1786947

[internationalism]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Here's a better peace plan...

 

This month, the Turkish government, which mediated peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow last year, abruptly halted the transit of sanctioned goods to Russia, after having received several warnings from the European Union and the United States about these products helping Russia's war effort in Ukraine.

 

This week, Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announced his country will reassess its relationship with Russia. Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine last February and the following sanctions imposed by the EU, Orbán has kept an ambivalent stance towards Moscow.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-dealt-double-blow-two-closest-allies-turn-him-1786947

the very same orban warned the next day about 3ww.

 

"Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban believes that the likelihood of the war in Ukraine escalating into a global conflict is growing."

 

further quatation from the very same article is closer to this topic - that is peace negotiations:

 

""International public opinion is sharply divided. There is the West, and then there are others: Turks, Arabs, Chinese, Africans, who are calling for a ceasefire and peace talks," he added." 

https://closetheskyoverukraine.com/latest-news/orban-we-have-never-been-so-close-to-a-world-war

 

That statements champion Trump's plans, and in fact any other peace plans - end this war on any conditions before it escalates into 3ww and increased risk for use of nukes. We are now less then 90 seconds to a big global boom

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

That statements champion Trump's plans, and in fact any other peace plans - end this war on any conditions before it escalates into 3ww and increased risk for use of nukes. We are now less then 90 seconds to a big global boom

No it doesn't, that's not a peace plan, its a Russian occupation plan.