Popular Post placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: Still a little too direct, since Trump isn't suggesting that anything will happen to Bragg. Also "don't blame me" is far more of a direct threat than what Trump wrote. Perhaps it's more like: "It would be a very stupid member of staff here to hit me for no reason, as the people that like me might be angry and express their anger by attacking the place of business." A picture of Trump holding a bat in a montage next to Bragg isn't suggestive? As for your silly quote, where exactly do you imagine "here" to be? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You’ve heard of stochastic terrorism? It seems cause and effect is an alien concept to some on here, fortunately judges don't see it that way. Precisely why there's laws on this form of hate speech and rhetoric. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, BangkokReady said: Is that really your perception of the photograph? I'm intrigued as, when I look at the photograph, I see a picture of Trump holding a baseball bat, I see a picture of Bragg standing at a media lectern, but the baseball bat really couldn't be further from Bragg's head. The bat is actually closer to Trump's head than it is to Bragg's. The bat certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. Do you genuinely believe that the baseball bat is next to Bragg's head? Do you not know what "next to" means? Or are you lying? I know lying about Trump is pretty much a national past-time in the US, but it seems so weird to me that people do it so blatantly. "Here's a photo of Trump without a baseball bat next to someone's head, but I'm going to lie and tell people that the photo shows Trump with a baseball bat next to someone's head because it makes Trump sound worse." It's just so bizarre. Would you agree that Kathy Griffin didn't really hold up Trump's severed head, so did nothing wrong? https://www.the-sun.com/news/1742978/kathy-griffin-decapitated-trump-head-election/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: Not ridiculously at all. It doesn't show a baseball bat next to Bragg's head, therefore to say it does is a lie. You're confused. The montage clearly shows Trump holding a bat next to Bragg. It's irrelevant that it's not real. Do you think that the 2 images in the montage were juxtaposed for some other reason than to show Trump holding a bat next to Bragg? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, placeholder said: Well, if anyone is being dishonest here it's you lying to yourself. You have to be in deep denial not to accept that Trump has b Any rational person seeing someone posing holding a bat up close to another photo of a person he has made no bones about hating, wouldn't have any problem seeing that it's an endorsement of violence. Especially when posted so closely in time with predictions of death and destruction. Keep in mind that it was Trump who chose to repost that photo. The press didn't force him to do that. I still don't think that the reporting of the photo makes the tweet a direct threat of violence as is being reported. They may be an expression of Trump's overall attitude, but that doesn't mean they are related. "Trump threatens death and destruction" is simply not the same as "Trump implies it's a bad idea to charge him because his supporters may riot". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, placeholder said: You're confused. The montage clearly shows Trump holding a bat next to Bragg. I'm not confused in the slightest. The montage shows a picture of Trump holding a baseball bat next to a picture of Bragg. The claim is that the photo shows a baseball bat next to Bragg's head. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, heybruce said: Would you agree that Kathy Griffin didn't really hold up Trump's severed head, so did nothing wrong? https://www.the-sun.com/news/1742978/kathy-griffin-decapitated-trump-head-election/ I would agree that Kathy Griffin didn't really hold up Trump's severed head, and if someone tried to claim that it was his real severed head I would say that they were lying. That is as far as that relates to what I am saying here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, BangkokReady said: I'm not confused in the slightest. The montage shows a picture of Trump holding a baseball bat next to a picture of Bragg. The claim is that the photo shows a baseball bat next to Bragg's head. That is what the montage shows. Trump holding a bat and the bat is next to Bragg. That's why the images were juxtaposed. Why do you think those images were juxtaposed? In order not to show a bat next to Trump? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, placeholder said: A picture of Trump holding a bat in a montage next to Bragg isn't suggestive? As for your silly quote, where exactly do you imagine "here" to be? Silly quote? I'm replying in kind to the quote written to me. If you're going to jump into another discussion, at least read what has been said previously. You're slipping into ad-homs now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: I still don't think that the reporting of the photo makes the tweet a direct threat of violence as is being reported. They may be an expression of Trump's overall attitude, but that doesn't mean they are related. "Trump threatens death and destruction" is simply not the same as "Trump implies it's a bad idea to charge him because his supporters may riot". I’m betting if someone posted a similar montage comprising them swinging a baseball bat alongside a picture of your child’s head or the head of your wife, with attendant text discussing possible violence, you’d take it very seriously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 Trump Deletes Post That Drudge Declared an Explicit Threat to DA Alvin Bragg 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: Silly quote? I'm replying in kind to the quote written to me. If you're going to jump into another discussion, at least read what has been said previously. You're slipping into ad-homs now. Not "ad hominem" at all. I called your made-up quote silly. And I notice that you haven't offered any defense of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: That is what the montage shows. Trump holding a bat and the bat is next to Bragg. That's why the images were juxtaposed. Why do you think those images were juxtaposed? In order not to show a bat next to Trump? The bat is next to Trump, not next to Bragg. It certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. Do you honestly see the bat next to Bragg as you claim? You don't see Trump in the photo between the bat and Bragg? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: The bat is next to Trump, not next to Bragg. It certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. Do you honestly see the bat next to Bragg as you claim? You don't see Trump in the photo between the bat and Bragg? The retreat to literalism to which I referred to earlier. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2023 Alvin Bragg Threatened Hours After Trump Warns of 'Death and Destruction' The package, which reportedly contained a message that said, "Alvin—I'll kill you," came following a message posted on social media by former President Donald Trump that warned of "death and destruction" if he's criminally charged in New York. https://www.newsweek.com/alvin-bragg-threatened-hours-after-trump-warns-death-destruction-1790254 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: The bat is next to Trump, not next to Bragg. It certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. Do you honestly see the bat next to Bragg as you claim? You don't see Trump in the photo between the bat and Bragg? It's a montage. In the montage the bat is next to Bragg. It doesn't matter that it doesn't reflect reality. Why do you think the montage was created? Why do you think Trump reposted it? Because it proves he didn't hold a bat next to Bragg? Edited March 25, 2023 by placeholder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m betting if someone posted a similar montage comprising them swinging a baseball bat alongside a picture of your child’s head or the head of your wife, with attendant text discussing possible violence, you’d take it very seriously. So you're saying the bat photo would be a threat to my wife or child, and if they also posted a text discussing a riot somewhere, that would be a threat against my wife or child also? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Not "ad hominem" at all. I called your made-up quote silly. And I notice that you haven't offered any defense of it. I stated quite clearly that I was replying in kind to another user. Up to you if you want to ignore that or not, but don't expect to make any kind of coherent comment if you do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: So you're saying the bat photo would be a threat to my wife or child, and if they also posted a text discussing a riot somewhere, that would be a threat against my wife or child also? I’m saying exactly what I posted. Don’t try to go all literal on stuff I didn’t say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: So you're saying the bat photo would be a threat to my wife or child, and if they also posted a text discussing a riot somewhere, that would be a threat against my wife or child also? If the person posting the photo also blamed your wife's and your child's actions for inciting a riot, then yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The retreat to literalism to which I referred to earlier. It's no retreat at all. People are saying the picture shows a bat next to Bragg's head, I'm saying they're lying. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, placeholder said: If the person posting the photo also blamed your wife's and your child's actions for inciting a riot, then yes. How would the riot pose a threat to my wide or child? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: I stated quite clearly that I was replying in kind to another user. Up to you if you want to ignore that or not, but don't expect to make any kind of coherent comment if you do. But it was still a silly made-up quote. It offers no justification for the fact that he's holding a bat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, placeholder said: In the montage the bat is next to Bragg. The Bat is next to Trump. The bat is not next to Bragg. It certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. ????♂️ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, placeholder said: But it was still a silly made-up quote. It offers no justification for the fact that he's holding a bat. I was replying to a "silly made-up quote" and we weren't even discussing the bat photo. As I said, read the conversation before making irrelevant comments that make no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: The Bat is next to Trump. The bat is not next to Bragg. It certainly isn't next to Bragg's head. ????♂️ Quite clearly you are trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m saying exactly what I posted. Don’t try to go all literal on stuff I didn’t say. OK then. The bat photo maybe. The riot no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat is a type of crazy Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: It's no retreat at all. People are saying the picture shows a bat next to Bragg's head, I'm saying they're lying. To me you are splitting hairs. He is threatening him with a baseball bat whether it is aimed as it is head or body isn't really a key issue though one could say if you swing a baseball bat you are likely to hit the upper part of the body. It seems odd to focus on this minor issue given the themes in his tweets but ok maybe he is indicating a threatening gesture that may not hit his head. Edited March 25, 2023 by Fat is a type of crazy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Quite clearly you are trolling. Do you see the bat as being next to Bragg's head? It clearly isn't. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: How would the riot pose a threat to my wide or child? Because the death and destruction would be directed against his enemies. In your example those enemies would be your wife and child. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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