Trump says mass shootings are not 'a gun problem' as 2024 GOP hopefuls pledge loyalty to the NRA

[onthedarkside]

 

Former President Donald Trump vowed to defend and expand gun-owners rights in a speech to the National Rifle Association's annual meeting here Friday.

 

"I was proud to be the most pro-gun, pro-Second Amendment president you've ever had in the White House," Trump said to an audience that leapt to its feet, cheered and chanted "U-S-A" when he was introduced.

 

"And with your support in 2024, I will be your loyal friend and fearless champion once again as the 47th president of the United States."

 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-mass-shootings-arent-gun-problem-nra-convention-rcna79775

 

[Kwasaki]

I guess his sort of right but strict checks on gunshops selling guns and who is allowed a gun needs strict inforcement.

 

The gun lobby will always say bad people will still get guns and good people have a right to protect themselves from those people.

[ozimoron]

Why would they be? Oh , wait Other developed countries rarely have them.

[Mac Mickmanus]

The USA needs to move on and progress form the Cowboys and Indians mentality 

[Eric Loh]

GOP leaders like Trump and the gun loving party are the problem not the guns per se. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

GOP leaders like Trump and the gun loving party are the problem not the guns per se. 

It's both. They are a marriage made in hell.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

GOP leaders like Trump and the gun loving party are the problem not the guns per se. 

The issue should be resolved as soon as Trump leaves the Whitehouse 

[transam]

The bloke is a buffoon...........

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The issue should be resolved as soon as Trump leaves the Whitehouse 

He left in 2020 but in minds of Qanon cultists he still in the Whitehouse. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

He left in 2020 but in minds of Qanon cultists he still in the Whitehouse. 

Probably still in the basement when he fled there are some unarmed intruder jumped the fence once.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved-trump-to-secure-bunker-friday-after-protesters-breached-temporary-fences-near-white-house-complex/2020/06/03/e4ae77c2-a5b9-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

[candide]

The NRA swamp is powerful....

[2baht]

1 hour ago, candide said:

The NRA swamp is powerful....

Americans need guns to protect themselves from Americans with guns! ????

[bendejo]

"Promoting the arming of US citizens" is the NRA cause.  Paying pols to promote their cause is a huge part of their strategy.  Can they be considered a terrorist organization? 

The guys who run the racket stuff their pockets well.

 

 

[billd766]

In a way Trump is correct.

 

No guns, far less of a problem.

[still kicking]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Why would they be? Oh , wait Other developed countries rarely have them.

I live in OZ and I don't know any person who has a gun 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, candide said:

The NRA swamp is powerful....

NYAG is on it.

 

 

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2022/statement-attorney-general-james-court-tossing-latest-nra-effort-avoid

[Bkk Brian]

Nothing like setting up your 1 year old granddaughter with her first guns. This madness needs to stop.

 

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem says 1-year-old granddaughter ‘already has’ shotgun, rifle

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem raised eyebrows Friday when she said that her granddaughter, who is just a year old, already has a shotgun and a rifle.

Speaking at the annual National Rifle Association convention in Indianapolis, the conservative firebrand told the crowd that her granddaughter, “Little Miss Addie” is already “set up” for her future with the weapons — and a pony.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/14/kristi-noem-says-1-year-old-granddaughter-already-has-shotgun-rifle/

[pomchop]

Que the fund raising emails to the brain dead NRA bunch from the greatest grifter and con man ever....I hear he may want some new gold plated toilets and even though he is very very very rich he would prefer to use the $$ of his Maga morons.

[LosLobo]

6 hours ago, pomchop said:

Que the fund raising emails to the brain dead NRA bunch from the greatest grifter and con man ever....I hear he may want some new gold plated toilets and even though he is very very very rich he would prefer to use the $$ of his Maga morons.

But the criminal defendant with the moral compass always pointing south, said in 2015 “I don’t need anybody’s money."

 

"Before and after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump has boasted repeatedly about paying for his campaign himself and eschewing traditional finance models of presidential campaigns".

 

Did Donald Trump self-fund his way to the Republican nomination? Not exactly | CNN Politics

Edited April 16, 2023 by LosLobo

[pomchop]

10 hours ago, LosLobo said:

But the criminal defendant with the moral compass always pointing south, said in 2015 “I don’t need anybody’s money."

 

"Before and after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump has boasted repeatedly about paying for his campaign himself and eschewing traditional finance models of presidential campaigns".

 

Did Donald Trump self-fund his way to the Republican nomination? Not exactly | CNN Politics

Yes he has certainly claimed over and over and over that he is very very very rich....so most people with an IQ in triple digits might wonder well why is he always begging us poor folk to send him our money? Why do his companies stiff workers and vendors over and over?  Why does it appear that he is constantly trying to cheat on his taxes? 

 

 He reminds me of the TV preachers who live in mansions and fly in private jets and beg for more $$ in "jesus name".  We used to call these people grifters and conmen....then we  had one in the white house where he was called president.  But just like the TV conmen he never seems to run out of victims waiting to be scammed yet again.

[SunnyinBangrak]

I'll have to agree with Trump on this one. Just as Nice in the south of France didn't have a "truck problem", and 911 wasn't a "plane problem".

 The issue is a criminal one. And biden's incredibly divided nation and woke prosecutors are not good for people's mental health nor are they a deterrent to committing violent crime. I expect this problem to get worse, no matter if the present administration takes law abiding citizens legally held weapons away or not. Criminals don't care if guns are illegal and they will relish the thought of preying on unarmed and defenceless rural folk once the left get their way.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I'll have to agree with Trump on this one. Just as Nice in the south of France didn't have a "truck problem", and 911 wasn't a "plane problem".

 The issue is a criminal one. And biden's incredibly divided nation and woke prosecutors are not good for people's mental health nor are they a deterrent to committing violent crime. I expect this problem to get worse, no matter if the present administration takes law abiding citizens legally held weapons away or not. Criminals don't care if guns are illegal and they will relish the thought of preying on unarmed and defenceless rural folk once the left get their way.

‘Mental Health’ now that’s something to think about.

[seajae]

its the same as road deaths are not a car problem, its the ones that are driving them and in a guns case the ones that are shooting them, the far greater majority of legal gun owners are fine and do not kill people. Those with mental conditions & extremist beliefs along with the criminals/gang members are the main culprits, illegal guns kill a hell of a lot more people than legally owned ones, removing legal guns would not stop  the killings, would like to see someone post where any nra members started shooting people, they teach the correct way to handle legally owned guns

[JonnyF]

He is correct. As long as people are deeply unhappy, disenfranchised, pitted against one another and forced to be "with us or against us" then terrible incidents will occur. 

 

Ban guns and people will use knives, vehicles, home made bombs, or simply buy guns illegally or 3d print them. 3d printing will become incredibly sophisticated in the next decade.

 

The key is taking away the motivation for violence. Step number 1 would be to expose flawed political ideologies like critical race theory and identity politics.

 

Step 2 would be to stop forcing radical ideology down people's throats. 

 

Telling people they are evil/stupid because of their political beliefs or the real/imagined crimes of previous generations who happened to be the same race as them is not a recipe for peace.

 

Time to get back to MLK's teachings about character above all else. The modern left is deeply misguided in their pursuit of vengeance and only inflames incredibly raw emotions.

[pomchop]

46 minutes ago, seajae said:

its the same as road deaths are not a car problem, its the ones that are driving them and in a guns case the ones that are shooting them, the far greater majority of legal gun owners are fine and do not kill people. Those with mental conditions & extremist beliefs along with the criminals/gang members are the main culprits, illegal guns kill a hell of a lot more people than legally owned ones, removing legal guns would not stop  the killings, would like to see someone post where any nra members started shooting people, they teach the correct way to handle legally owned guns

nobody has ever said that having some common sense gun laws like banning ar 15 types , requiring background checks and red flag laws will magically stop all gun killings...but if it saves a bunch of lives why would anyone be against that?  in fact all the polls show huge majorities of citizens want these measures...i guess a lot of people didn't like seatbelt laws which have saved thousands upon thousands of lives....per your "logic" we should just say there is zero that can be done to save lives......NRA talking points to get you to buy MORE guns...they don't give a crap how many people die, it's all about the green.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, seajae said:

its the same as road deaths are not a car problem, its the ones that are driving them and in a guns case the ones that are shooting them, the far greater majority of legal gun owners are fine and do not kill people. Those with mental conditions & extremist beliefs along with the criminals/gang members are the main culprits, illegal guns kill a hell of a lot more people than legally owned ones, removing legal guns would not stop  the killings, would like to see someone post where any nra members started shooting people, they teach the correct way to handle legally owned guns

There you have a good example of the lame attempt to compare car deaths and gun deaths. Car deaths were over taken by gun deaths some time ago.

 

Gun deaths are the leading cause of death for children and young people.

 

You need to pass a driving test to drive a car.

Insurance needed.

The car needs to be street legal

You cannot legally conceal a car when walking into a venue or anywhere else for that matter
 

For Trump to say mass shootings is not a gun problem is about as far fetched as some who claim he's like Jesus!

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Pledging support to the NRA and ignoring the fact 60% of American adults neither own a gun or live in a gun owning household.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, seajae said:

its the same as road deaths are not a car problem, its the ones that are driving them and in a guns case the ones that are shooting them, the far greater majority of legal gun owners are fine and do not kill people. Those with mental conditions & extremist beliefs along with the criminals/gang members are the main culprits, illegal guns kill a hell of a lot more people than legally owned ones, removing legal guns would not stop  the killings, would like to see someone post where any nra members started shooting people, they teach the correct way to handle legally owned guns

The difference is that cars are now an existential part of modern life, guns are not. A total ban except for police and farmers would not be problematic to everyday life.

 

Guns are the main culprit.

 

Obviously legal guns are the big issue in mass shootings.

 

"94 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and April 2023 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority. Only 16 incidents involved guns that were obtained illegally"

 

Only 5% of gun owners in US are NRA members.

 

Mass shootings in the U.S.: legality of weapons 2023 | Statista.

Edited April 17, 2023 by LosLobo

[jvs]

So you gun fanatics,tell me this,If Trump is so pro bearing arms

then why are people not allowed to carry guns to Trump rallies?

 

[Skallywag]

Simply outlaw ammunition and gunpowder, make it available only to those who have a household to protect and give them 6-8 bullets per year if they use them.  Follows the 2nd amendment rule of law.   Does not allow teenagers who have no household or anyone else to purchase ammo.  If they steal their parents ammo . they only have a few rounds.  

 

 

In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."