It's Hot (What if Global Warming is Here?)

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

After about 4:30pm it's OK where we are (30 kms North of Chiang Mai). Overnight is cool and pleasant and the morning the same, by around 10:30/11 it's started to become too hot for me to work outside (I'm a young/strong 73). Inside the house we run aircon on dehumidify mode from mid day until we go to bed, that all we need to get the temperature down....humidity readings here are circa 75%.

Yesterday evening 12km n of cm at 6:30pm 38c.

This morning at 10:15am 35c.

 

41c in the afternoons.. 

[nigelforbes]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Yesterday evening 12km n of cm at 6:30pm 38c.

This morning at 10:15am 35c.

 

41c in the afternoons.. 

You'd probably need to add in the humidity figures to make a complete picture, I see it's around 34% currently but yesterday afternoon was around 78%.

[nigelforbes]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

I don't know where you get this from. I believe a few factors may affect it. (Usual setting, model of AC, ambient nighttime temp) I tried it, and it put UP my electricity bill. I also woke up  feeling cold with a harsh dry sore throat. My AC cycled in that mode (fan on/off), but it brought the temperature down to 23 degC.. which I could not adjust on my unit. (Daikin). Usually I set it to 25degC cooling/ nighttime mode.

Another point to consider is that it's usually not necessary to run dehumidify mode at night. Water in the air comes mainly from outside air, cooking and showers, the outside air levels drop after dark and by the time evening comes, most of the showering and cooking is done. We turn off our air con before going to bed, by that time the house is cool so we don't fight the dry throat issues you mentioned.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Volcanoes cool the planet, via emissions of silicon dioxide.

 

It's fairly trivial to measure noxious gas output from all the cars and motor in Thailand and compare against temperature over the years.

It's sulphur dioxide but same difference. The 1883 eruption of Krakatoa being a good example of the cooling of the planet.

There is a popular book, a bit old now, called Superfreakonomics, that amongst other interesting ideas, suggested cooling things down by pumping sulphur dioxide into the upper atmosphere by a hose. 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

You'd probably need to add in the humidity figures to make a complete picture, I see it's around 34% currently but yesterday afternoon was around 78%.

Really, we wish down here.  Always 80% or above, and why our 'feels like' is brutal.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Girlfriend called and said it's horribly hot. Had the heater on in Australia. 

[nigelforbes]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Really, we wish down here.  Always 80% or above, and why our 'feels like' is brutal.

This is the Mae Rim forecast for today, it's not even credible. If the real feel is over 8-10 degrees higher than the actual temperature yet humidity is in the mid 30's%, why is that even possible.

 

https://www.wunderground.com/hourly/th/mae-rim

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

Yes, on most remote controls it's shown as a tear drop or rain drop and you can't adjust the temperature on that setting.

Not with all makes of AC. We have Trane air conditioners and with them you can still regulate the temperature when using "Dry" mode.

[Danderman123]

No matter how hot it is in Pattaya, Isaan is much hotter.

[brianthainess]

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

Your aircon unit needs to have a dehumidify mode, if it does (and most have) there is no associated temperature setting or control it's either dehumidify or nothing. Using aircon in this way is long established and proven practise, I thought everyone understood this. It's a fact of science that if you lower the humidity, the air feels cooler.

My Samsung can be set at any temp. on dehumidify mode Aka DRY MODE.

[OneMoreFarang]

So what will be the reaction if next year it will be 2 degrees "cooler" in April? Will everybody agree then that the next ice age is coming? Or will people say there are variations all the time.

But if it is a little warmer than too many people think that must be connected to global warming.

No, it doesn't

And it's always hot in April in Thailand.

 

 

[The Fugitive]

58 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Isaan is much hotter.

Bizarre region. It only rains overnight. Although it's wetter it's less humid than other regions. Or so I've been told!

[Danderman123]

26 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So what will be the reaction if next year it will be 2 degrees "cooler" in April? Will everybody agree then that the next ice age is coming? Or will people say there are variations all the time.

But if it is a little warmer than too many people think that must be connected to global warming.

No, it doesn't

And it's always hot in April in Thailand.

 

 

You have to look at the trend.

 

https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/country/thailand/climate-data-historical

 

The trend is not good.

 

Yes, April is generally the warmest month in Thailand, but this April is particularly warm. 

 

 

[nigelforbes]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

My Samsung can be set at any temp. on dehumidify mode Aka DRY MODE.

Interesting, Mr Brand New Misu cannot.

[Seppius]

Be plenty of ways to cool down in Pattaya today????I walk along the prom will do it

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You have to look at the trend.

 

https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/country/thailand/climate-data-historical

 

The trend is not good.

 

Yes, April is generally the warmest month in Thailand, but this April is particularly warm. 

 

 

And according to that trend there was a global cooling between about 1991 and maybe 2008, correct?

 

No serious scientist pretends that we can measure global warming now. The difference, even for 10 years, is so little that it is not significant enough to make solid predictions for the future.

 

The "climate crisis" is something journalists, media, politicians and activists like to use for their own goals. In reality there is possibly a little climate change but definitely no crisis. 

[metisdead]

Off topic posts about the Fox news Dominion case have been removed.

[topt]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Yesterday evening 12km n of cm at 6:30pm 38c.

This morning at 10:15am 35c.

 

41c in the afternoons.. 

 

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

You'd probably need to add in the humidity figures to make a complete picture, I see it's around 34% currently but yesterday afternoon was around 78%.

You both realise this is in the Pattaya forum........

For context my weather station currently reading 35 in the shade outside and humidity of 60%. Humidity was higher yesterday from memory.

[Moonlover]

4 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

La Nina has left the building and El Nino has arrived. It is so much hotter than last year. Just paid the PEA bill and ugh....8965 THB. I can only imagine next month's being higher, but maybe not. The average high is between 3 and 5 Celsius per day higher this year and any other year so far at the house. I have kept daily records thanks to my weather setup.

Good article posted on that topic yesterday.

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/specialists-caution-that-heatwaves-are-likely-to-exacerbate

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

This is the Mae Rim forecast for today, it's not even credible. If the real feel is over 8-10 degrees higher than the actual temperature yet humidity is in the mid 30's%, why is that even possible.

 

https://www.wunderground.com/hourly/th/mae-rim

 

The infernal damnation to HELL continues down here ????

 

 

[nigelforbes]

12 minutes ago, topt said:

 

You both realise this is in the Pattaya forum........

For context my weather station currently reading 35 in the shade outside and humidity of 60%. Humidity was higher yesterday from memory.

Yes, it's posted in the Pattaya forum but there's nothing in the OP or the thread that specifically relates just to Pattaya.

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, Crossy said:

"Global Warming" is passé, it's now "Climate Change". Same, same!

 

Climate Change is real enough, just how much of it is caused by us is debatable but it's definitely not "none".

 

None is caused by natural climate cycles. We are in a natural cooling phase which has been masked by anthropomorphic global warming.

[nigelforbes]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

None is caused by natural climate cycles. We are in a natural cooling phase which has been masked by anthropomorphic global warming.

Thank God, I'm so relieved. Tell me, do those things make it all better!

[markclover]

The fatter you get the more you feel the heat.  I think this is a case of fat change not climate change.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And according to that trend there was a global cooling between about 1991 and maybe 2008, correct?

 

No serious scientist pretends that we can measure global warming now. The difference, even for 10 years, is so little that it is not significant enough to make solid predictions for the future.

 

The "climate crisis" is something journalists, media, politicians and activists like to use for their own goals. In reality there is possibly a little climate change but definitely no crisis. 

Really? The Larsen Ice Shelf is melting at an unprecedented rate. Iceland's glaciers have lost 18% of their surface area, about 2200 square kilometers. Polar bears are losing their Arctic habitat. The most conservative models of the Tibetan plateau are predicting the flows of water to the Ganges, Mekong and Brahmaputra river will be halved by 2050, without the Chinese building more dams. One billion people in Asia depend on that water. If that is not a crisis, I don't know what is.

 

In reality, you are posting an opinion, unsupported by fact.

[Pink Mist]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Yesterday evening 12km n of cm at 6:30pm 38c.

This morning at 10:15am 35c.

 

41c in the afternoons.. 

Way to warm up there. In Nai Harn here on Phuket it's 33 but feels like 40. Makes afternoon activities on the Beach unbearable.

 

Back at home in PKK, just looked on my weather station, it shows its 35 but feels like 46. Glad we are on a holiday. Giving my electricity usage a break.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And according to that trend there was a global cooling between about 1991 and maybe 2008, correct?

 

No serious scientist pretends that we can measure global warming now. The difference, even for 10 years, is so little that it is not significant enough to make solid predictions for the future.

 

The "climate crisis" is something journalists, media, politicians and activists like to use for their own goals. In reality there is possibly a little climate change but definitely no crisis. 

Nope.

 

There was a dip in the 1990s due to the explosion of Mt. Pinatubo.  Take out that dip and the trend is obvious.

 

More to the point, the increase in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere lead subsequent global increases in temperature, as demonstrated by actual reality. 

 

If you don't believe that CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming, then you are clinging to a religious belief, not science.

[Guderian]

No hotter than normal. My weather station has the shade temperature in the garden only just over 36° C at most, whereas in other years it's regularly recorded temperatures in the high 36°'s and even over 37° C on occasions. I think there are two differences this year. Firstly, it seems to be more humid than it usually is, which makes it feel hotter, of course. Here's a tool to convert temperature and RH into the 'effective' temperature or heat index:

 

https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/heatindex.shtml

 

And secondly, I've never ever in 20 years living in this city known the air quality to be so dreadful at this time of the year. The city smells like an old ashtray every day now, it's revolting. I can put up with the air pollution in winter when it's not too hot and the humidity is low, and I can put up with the usual hot season temperature and humidity, but put them both together and it's insufferable.

 

[The Fugitive]

7 minutes ago, Guderian said:

No hotter than normal. My weather station has the shade temperature in the garden only just over 36° C at most, whereas in other years it's regularly recorded temperatures in the high 36°'s and even over 37° C on occasions. I think there are two differences this year. Firstly, it seems to be more humid than it usually is, which makes it feel hotter, of course. Here's a tool to convert temperature and RH into the 'effective' temperature or heat index:

 

https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/heatindex.shtml

 

And secondly, I've never ever in 20 years living in this city known the air quality to be so dreadful at this time of the year. The city smells like an old ashtray every day now, it's revolting. I can put up with the air pollution in winter when it's not too hot and the humidity is low, and I can put up with the usual hot season temperature and humidity, but put them both together and it's insufferable.

Seriously considering going elsewhere in future during March and April myself. 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

There was a dip in the 1990s due to the explosion of Mt. Pinatubo.  Take out that dip and the trend is obvious.

 

More to the point, the increase in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere lead subsequent global increases in temperature, as demonstrated by actual reality. 

 

If you don't believe that CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming, then you are clinging to a religious belief, not science.

The question is how much warming, and how fast, and is this the most important problem or are there many more important problems which should have higher priority.

Lots of people look at CO2, CO2 and CO2 as if that is the only thing that counts. It's not. It's complicated. In fact, it is really complicated. Just looking at CO2 is for the alarmists and the do-gooders.