South African Tourist Injured in Altercation Following Refusal to Pay Bar Bill on Pattaya's Walking Street

[BritManToo]

30 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Pay as you go is the rule at every bar in other countries.  Thailand bars should learn this simple rule.  You buy food from street vendor, you pay before you get the food.  You buy fruit shake at a street vendor you pay before you get the drink.  How hard is it to collect the money when it is actually spent?  So strange to me.  

But it reduces the opportunity of the bar to inflate the bill.

Which is why they use a tab in the first place.

 

Easy enough to stop,

Make all business have CCTV pointed at customers.

Then the police can work out the correct bill without any input from customer or business.

No CCTV then the business is prohibited from operating.

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[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You seem to have a very strange way of buying food and drinks.  Wherever I order those items, the order is requested, the food or drink is prepared and handed to me, then I give the vendor the money.  I've never come across any vendor that demanded money up front.

Not "up front" but when you receive the food or drink, that is when you pay.  True, at a restaurant you do not pay until finished and leaving. 

Am just relating how bars could avoid customers who have no money or make mistakes with knowing how much money they have on them.  Ringing a bell will cost 1000 baht + in most bars, Simple policy would be to hand the cashier 1000+ baht,  THEN you can ring the bell.  Seems logical to me, yet am not a bar owner and never been a bar owner.

Believe from what someone told me, many of the driver delivery apps online...Lineman, Food Panda, Grab, Hungry now you must pay through the app before it is made and delivered so driver does not deal with cash

Edited May 11, 2023 by Skallywag

[actonion]

Two friends went to a bar on Beach rd. and ordered   a  Leo  beer each, & sat next to each other,.... after 3 or 4 beers each they asked for separate bills,   the totals were  10b  different,  when the  one guy asked why different prices  they were told that one of the guys had sat closer to the band  that was playing  and his bill was more

Edited May 11, 2023 by actonion

[OneMoreFarang]

It's interesting to read all these posts here where people write it must have been padded bills. 

Why do you think so?

Depending on the bar that's about 50 lady drinks. If the ladies order thinks like whisky-coke that is in some bars interpreted as two drinks. So that are 25 pairs of lady drinks. 5 ladies with each 5 "drinks" can easily happen within an hour.

 

How many of you had ever any padded bill?

I think the last time someone tried that with me was over 10 years ago.

Just don't present yourself as the idiot with too much money.

[webfact]

South African cracks head open in fight over 9,000 baht go-go bar bill in Pattaya
by leah 

 

 

A South African tourist cracked his head open during a fight about a 9,000 baht drinks bill outside a go-go bar on Pattaya’s Walking Street in Chon Buri province, eastern Thailand, last night. Police took him to the station where he agreed to pay.

 

In the middle of the night, officers at Mueang Pattaya Police Station were informed that a foreign tourist was injured on Walking Street.

Police found 40 year old “John” of South African nationality with a cracked forehead and blood running down his face, reports CH7.

 

A group of security guards from a go-go bar informed the police that the foreigner refused to pay for his drinks bill which amounted to 9,470 baht.

Upon receiving the bill, the tourist allegedly scrumpled it up, threw it at the guards, and hurled verbal abuse at them, they told the police. They said the drunk tourist launched forward and tried to put a guard in a headlock.

 

Full story: https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/south-african-cracks-head-open-in-fight-over-9000-baht-go-go-bar-bill-in-pattaya

 

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[David in the north]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

A nephew of mine not long ago in Phuket was cajoled into playing some sort of games with the girls where when he lost, he'd buy a drink to 2-3 girls there and before long the tab came to 5,000 baht which he paid and left the bar feeling that he's been had.

He had (been had)

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

"As for the exact circumstances leading to his injury, authorities are planning to review CCTV footage to ensure a fair and thorough investigation for all parties involved."

Be interesting to see?

"When the situation escalated, the guards intervened, and in the ensuing struggle, Mr. John fell, hitting his head on the edge of some stairs."

Did he fall. or was he pushed?

Or how many times did he bounce?

[kingstonkid]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Ring the bell? Always best to pay as you go or get receipts.

I read the paper they put in the cup.  If not sure of bar I pay as I go

[smedly]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's interesting to read all these posts here where people write it must have been padded bills. 

Why do you think so?

Depending on the bar that's about 50 lady drinks. If the ladies order thinks like whisky-coke that is in some bars interpreted as two drinks. So that are 25 pairs of lady drinks. 5 ladies with each 5 "drinks" can easily happen within an hour.

 

How many of you had ever any padded bill?

I think the last time someone tried that with me was over 10 years ago.

Just don't present yourself as the idiot with too much money.

where does it say he rang the bell ? - maybe I missed it

 

[BritScot]

I recently went out in Thailand for a family (9 people) eating a verity of food including sea food), 3 large beers and the bill was less than 9k. Police making/forcing him to pay is shocking. Another tourist conned (the police obviously in on the con). Left scared and beaten with no justice against the pack of deranged animals. How many potential tourist will now not come? His friends and family certainly. This disgusts me. 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

where does it say he rang the bell ? - maybe I missed it

 

I didn't write it.

I suggested that 5 rounds of drinks for 5 girls will do the job to get such a bill in some bars.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, BritScot said:

I recently went out in Thailand for a family (9 people) eating a verity of food including sea food), 3 large beers and the bill was less than 9k. Police making/forcing him to pay is shocking. Another tourist conned (the police obviously in on the con). Left scared and beaten with no justice against the pack of deranged animals. How many potential tourist will now not come? His friends and family certainly. This disgusts me. 

9k is not a small bill but many bars have several of those bills per night and some higher bills - with official prices.

Some guys like to buy a lot of drinks for lots of girls and maybe for hours.

[smedly]

5 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

I read the paper they put in the cup.  If not sure of bar I pay as I go

or ask the cost of ringing the bell

 

a lot of these bars/venues give the girls a soda or water with lime in it costing the bar about 5baht and charging as much as 200baht pet drink, it is a scam and a rip off and everyone should know this 

[Woof999]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many of you had ever any padded bill?

Happens regularly, unfortunately. I usually check my bill after every order. The last time I didn't, it was padded massively. 10 or so lady drinks turned into atl least 30 on the bill.

 

A very good friend of mine that has lived here more than a decade and is relatively well known had his bill padded earlier this year. He knew the go-go VERY will and knew pretty much all the girls. He pointed out that some of the girls that the drinks were allegedly for were not working that night, even showing facebook posts from at least one of them showing she was 200+ miles away on an island with her customer. They still didn't reduce the bill. Couldn't possibly admit to making a mistake.

 

All you can do it not go back to that place once it happens.

[Mad mick]

5 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

"As for the exact circumstances leading to his injury, authorities are planning to review CCTV footage to ensure a fair and thorough investigation for all parties involved."

Be interesting to see?

"When the situation escalated, the guards intervened, and in the ensuing struggle, Mr. John fell, hitting his head on the edge of some stairs."

Did he fall. or was he pushed?

more than likely drunk & legs unsteady few drinks to many ????

Edited May 11, 2023 by Mad mick

[Dr Jon]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

bar tab of 9,470 baht

Only 9,470? Must have been a steady night out.

[kentrot]

 

Put this name on your list of

PLACES  TO  AVOID PATRONIZING

 

 XS Go-Go bar 

[shackleton]

Regulars here in Thailand  know what happens when you ring the Bell drinks all round 

A tourist new to the game will properly learn the lesson after ringing

once ????

If you ring twice no sympathy pay the bill ????

[Jackbenimble]

5 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

 Back in my drinking days, I was thrown in the drunk tank at Thong Lor PD for refusing to bay my bar bill.

I was in a QPA bar (Soi22) and had actually rang the bell 2 times.

The bill was around 9,000 Baht, which I refused to pay.

The police were called and the cashier explained to the police that I had rang the bell 2 times and as such I had to buy drinks for everyone in the bar, hence the high bar bill.

I tried to explain to Mr. Plod that I believed that the bill was a tad on the high side, as myself the cashier were the only people in the bar.

They still took me to the station and held me until I accepted to pay the bill, even though the bill was very obviously padded.

 

I later learned that the bar was owned by the wife of one of the top policemen at Thong Lor station. ????

 

they're almost all owned by PO or wives of PO. Especially in ThongLo. You must have been very drunk when you arrived at the bar otherwise you would have known after the first bell-ring how much you'd spent. If you didn't check and then did the same again then you learned a valuable lesson. I suspect you haven't repeated your actions?

I had a similar situ in Crazy House............not ringing the bell (I dont think there is one in CH?) but buying drinks and not checking the bill..........keeping a mental note though. Bill came and was 3 times what it should have been. My friend wisely defused the situation and paid..........I was ready for arguing though which with hindsight would have ended badly - for me. CH did this a lot a few years ago and trade fell off a cliff as a result. They changed the way they work - they had to - and customers sign for every round now and bill is handed out each time and kept in front of you. 

Edited May 11, 2023 by Jackbenimble

[Udom]

4 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Pay as you go is the rule at every bar in other countries.  Thailand bars should learn this simple rule.  You buy food from street vendor, you pay before you get the food.  You buy fruit shake at a street vendor you pay before you get the drink.  How hard is it to collect the money when it is actually spent?  So strange to me.  

You're right but, if they did, how could they run their scams and overcharge you?

[it is what it is]

 

another naive sex tourist gets himself into a pickle

[Reginald Prewster]

Walking Street, 

The bill adds easy up to 9 K there just have a few boobs in your hands and pay some ladies a drink.

 

Best till now was 3 years ago meeting my mates from work. 

5 of us came from the same project and we use to go the first day at home to sort our "PWTS"

(Post Work Tension Syndrome) 

43.200 THB in just about 2 hrs ...

 

Good thing was that all customers left, because the girls were taking care of us and as the bar was empty we paid and left too, moved to the opposite side. 

 

The night was over for the bar and their chicks, because who want to enter an empty bar at 22:30 on a Saturday night when on the oppsite side 5 "bell ringing" Offshore workers were shooting with bra's at each other LOL. 

Strange, that in that bar the bill was after 3 1/2 hrs 24.000 baht... 

[Straight8]

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

I wonder how he ran up such a large tab.

 

 

It's called bill padding.

 

Seriously, we won't have the full story, but as soon as they sense the turps is having its affect, and you are not keeping, tabs on your, well tab, all kinds of ***** begins to happen.

[newbee2022]

hope he learned his lesson...........!!????

[Toby1947]

Normal service resumed after Covid, for the thieving cowards 

[firemans35]

a South African tourist, 40-year-old Mr. John (full name withheld), 

When the situation escalated, the guards intervened, and in the ensuing struggle, Mr. Viljoen fell, hitting his head on the edge of some stairs.

 

I assume when a reporter says "full name withheld" that would include first name and last name. So much for top reporting and privacy. 

[Olmate]

10 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

a South African tourist, 40-year-old Mr. John (full name withheld), 

When the situation escalated, the guards intervened, and in the ensuing struggle, Mr. Viljoen fell, hitting his head on the edge of some stairs.

 

I assume when a reporter says "full name withheld" that would include first name and last name. So much for top reporting and privacy. 

Ok John! 

[firemans35]

28 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Ok John! 

Ha ha I'm definitely not John.

[jesimps]

"When the situation escalated, the guards intervened, and in the ensuing struggle, Mr. Viljoen fell, hitting his head on the edge of some stairs."

 

Hitting his head on the bouncer's flip-flop more like it.

Edited May 11, 2023 by jesimps