Move Forward Scores Surprise Victory; Pita To Become PM

[candide]

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, but the have the power to change the rules and laws for such system, and to make amendments and changes to the constitution, right?
 

Wouldn´t the result of such action, be the opposite to your comment?

If the Senate and/or the Constitutional court have a say about it, it won't happen.

[Kaopad999]

1 hour ago, JeffersLos said:

The senate will block it.

 

People will take to the streets.

 

The army move in.

 

History repeats.

 

It's so perfectly setup. 

Would no suprise me in the slightest. Sad but true.. 

[racket]

In the realm of politics, individuals can receive praise without any notable accomplishments to their name. This particular individual is a young and fresh face, which is precisely what Thailand requires. After decades of hopelessness among both the young and old, who have witnessed nothing but corruption and polarization between the impoverished and affluent, a change in leadership is desperately needed.

 

However, transforming the direction of the nation will require years of dedication, and the powerful internal establishment will be closely monitoring every move made by this individual. While it's a promising beginning, the effects of their actions won't be immediately evident to those seeking change, as progress will take time.

[scorecard]

59 minutes ago, vinci said:

who ever it is still better than what it has, i hope they are farang friendly

They are.

Thai friend snr. member of MF says 2 farang are non-official advisors about building/maintaining demorcacy and small s socialist policies/support mechanisms. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by scorecard

[scorecard]

29 minutes ago, racket said:

In the realm of politics, individuals can receive praise without any notable accomplishments to their name. This particular individual is a young and fresh face, which is precisely what Thailand requires. After decades of hopelessness among both the young and old, who have witnessed nothing but corruption and polarization between the impoverished and affluent, a change in leadership is desperately needed.

 

However, transforming the direction of the nation will require years of dedication, and the powerful internal establishment will be closely monitoring every move made by this individual. While it's a promising beginning, the effects of their actions won't be immediately evident to those seeking change, as progress will take time.

Therefore hopefully they already have focused public relations pland and activities which show that change is well foused and there is eveidence of change. 

 

MF has many well educated clever young executives, hopefully their expertise will be put to good use.

[NanLaew]

11 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It will be interesting to see how hard the new government led by Pita goes after the outgoing government for their crimes. No better way to prevent future coups than to lock up the perpetrators of the last coup.

In case you haven't noticed, Pita's new party is called Move Forward.

 

No better way to fall further behind than making the settling of scores and vendettas a priority over good stewardship of the nation's future. Just look at US Congress for a prime example of crybaby, "You're gonna have to pay for that" politics.

Edited May 15, 2023 by NanLaew

[John Drake]

5 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

As for the repercussions of a new government for expats, we'll have to see...

Wish someone would go into this topic in detail and ferret out what the parties intend to do with us.

[billd766]

11 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It will be interesting to see how hard the new government led by Pita goes after the outgoing government for their crimes. No better way to prevent future coups than to lock up the perpetrators of the last coup.

But all of this is based purely on the unofficial result from the election.

 

It is premature to celebrate victory until ALL the results have been declared and the fixers and the dirty tricks departments have stuck their oars in.

 

Not to mention which way the senators will vote.

[twchang]

11 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

"Pita To Become PM"

 

So the leader of a party that scored about 151 out of 500 parliamentary seats becomes automatically PM? Interesting!

The " political" power structure in thailand are very very complicated to understand.

 

 

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[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

In case you haven't noticed, Pita's new party is called Move Forward.

 

No better way to fall further behind than making the settling of scores and vendettas a priority over good stewardship of the nation's future. Just look at US Congress for a prime example of crybaby, "You're gonna have to pay for that" politics.

A stitch in time saves nine.

[Fairynuff]

8 hours ago, Gknrd said:

Wow, this is going to interesting to see unfold. Will Cha Cha bow out gracefully or not is the question.

Wannabe dictators seldom go gracefully or quietly. Bolsonaro, trump…..

[billd766]

11 hours ago, still kicking said:

Don't celebrate yet he will most properly get banned like Thanathorn last time. It's a shame everybody I know voted for him.

My wife and son got 300 baht each to vote for the number 3 party as did my 2 neighbours. They took the money and voted for the number 6 party.

[NanLaew]

11 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The leader of the party that wins the most seats has the first opportunity to attempt to form a coalition - it is standard practice all over the world.

 

The likely coalition of MF, PT and several smaller parties will command at least 308 seats.

 

At best, a coalition of Prayuth, Prawit, Anutin and a few smaller parties would command about 183 seats - under the 251 required for a lower house majority.

 

Are you suggesting that the leader of a party that won less seats should become the PM?

Yes, he probably is. And you are right in that Pita will probably get the first opportunity but that is no guarantee of first-time success. The army-stuffed Senate still has a year to run before its use-by date expires thus it still has the power, numbers and constitutional protections to allow it to gerrymander the same fractious and volatile coalition of small-minded, 'name your price' minority parties that the soon-to-be-former DPM Wissanu Krean-ngam has somewhat ominously been talking about. That will be after the ritual 'splitter' period when a fair amount of those losing in this election change parties and allegiances because they want to win at any cost.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, realfunster said:

I really don’t think that is going to happen…and if we do indeed want some level of peace and stability in the country, I suggest it is better to just reconcile and “move forward”.

 

 

And that is exactly where the problem lies.

 

Nothing to stop another coup or more without punishment for committing the coup in the first place.

[NanLaew]

20 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Wish someone would go into this topic in detail and ferret out what the parties intend to do with us.

When have we ever had any significant importance where a Thai government is required to accommodate us?

 

Oh, hold on. You're not mainland Chinese are you?

[billd766]

6 hours ago, h90 said:

yes they got him already...he broke the law as all these fraudsters....Which is a very bad thing when people vote for someone and than the court kicks them out because of fraud...it does not look good

And where is your proof rather than an allegation?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

But the devil is in the details...

My guess is that Khun Pita would expect these cases strictly follow the letter of the law.  

But which law.

 

The law that Thaksin was working under when he was deposed, or the law that the coup government charged him under?

[StayinThailand2much]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Wish someone would go into this topic in detail and ferret out what the parties intend to do with us.

I very much doubt that any Thai party at this time has a 'long-term tourist strategy'... (After all, Thailand, officially, doesn't have any immigrants, just migrant workers, supposed to 'go home' after X months, and us tourists...)

 

We'll just have to suck it up and wait what comes our way in regards to how often and long, and under what conditions we will be welcome or not...

 

Anyhow, Thaksin (inofficial leader of Pheu Thai) wasn't very foreigner-friendly, and neither is Anutin, so I neither expect anything 'good' for us from Anutin's party, nor from Pheu Thai.

Edited May 15, 2023 by StayinThailand2much

[h90]

37 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And where is your proof rather than an allegation?

currently are the complains are the allegations at the EC. The lies about Marijuana, iTV, 10.000 Baht promise and about a zillion allegations of vote buying...also many postings here about some families who got their 1000 Baht.

[off road pat]

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

They will not, no other elected governments "went after" their predecessor governments, its live and let live system, (translation: we won't touch you and next government will not touch us) 

Indeed, it's a unwritten rule in Politics !!! Pragmatism !!!

[newnative]

Hooray!

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Wish someone would go into this topic in detail and ferret out what the parties intend to do with us.

Do you really thinks that's a priority right now?

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

If Thaksin can be forced out of the country, then worse should happen to Cha Cha as a lesson that governments should be elected by the countries people, and not hiding behind soldiers, tanks, and guns.

 

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

If Thaksin can be forced out of the country, then worse should happen to Cha Cha as a lesson that governments should be elected by the countries people, and not hiding behind soldiers, tanks, and guns.

One of the cases against thaksin was concluded and it seemed little doubt whatever he would be found guilty.

 

All concerned just waiting for the court to issue a punishment. At this point the paymaster instantly fled. Very quickly soon after 'jail for 2 years' announced by the court as the punishment.

[Stupooey]

5 hours ago, jesimps said:

We have the same problem in the UK with the House of Lords which is loaded with lefties. Despite the overwhelming success of Tory governments in elections, they can't seem to redress the balance. I don't give much for the success of the new Thai govt in this respect.

I think you'll find that the Conservative Group is, and always has been, the largest in the House of Lords, although obviously not as large as in the days of hereditary peerages. Bear in mind also that the Tories have won recent elections with about 42% of the votes in a turnout of less than 70%, so in effect have had the backing of less than 30% of the electorate - hardly "overwhelming"!

[Pink Mist]

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[John Drake]

14 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Do you really thinks that's a priority right now?

Yes, I thinks it.

[John Drake]

5 hours ago, brommers said:

It is far too early to celebrate. There are so many malign forces already at work that the next few days and weeks will be fraught with danger for democracy. The public support for MF while strong is not enough. PT will do everything it can to subvert this support because despite being populist it is actually driven by the same ego as all the conservatives and coup leaders. It is part of the old order and cannot accept MF policies so will not enter or sustain a working coalition. The will of the people is irrelevant to only one party and every trick in the book will be used to keep it and its leader from forming a government. Thailand will see more demonstrations and violence in coming weeks as the old guard reassert their self interest.

The replies to this topic seem filled with overwrought hysteria. People predicting civil war, malign influences, and others making barely veiled accusations of a color revolution. And most of them by people who have no say in the matter. You would think people who don't have a vote would be more detached and dispassionate in trying to figure out what is occurring. Instead, hysteria, hyperbole. Things will play out as they will. Might as well take a sober approach to it, instead of going all Che Guevera.

[PeeJayEm]

13 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

"Pita To Become PM"

 

So the leader of a party that scored about 151 out of 500 parliamentary seats becomes automatically PM? Interesting!

Largest party vote and number of seats in the elected house.  How else would you have it?  Keep the old guard as a matter of course???

[StayinThailand2much]

6 minutes ago, PeeJayEm said:

Largest party vote and number of seats in the elected house.  How else would you have it?  

Largest party vote, yes, but they still need to form a coalition, which is never easy.

[DJ54]

2Ps should be in the …..get over it party…