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The Commander-in-chief of the Thai Navy admiral Choengchai Chomchoengpaet on Thursday, May 18th, 2023, said it was up to the new government to make a decision on the purchase of the submarine from China.

 

Admiral Choengchai stated that the Thai Navy is currently following its long-term plan in procuring military equipment. This includes the replacement of aging warships and the acquisition of unmanned aircraft to replace old surveillance aircraft, a process that has been ongoing since last year.

 

Regarding a planned procurement of a submarine from China, he said the Navy is only in the early stage of negotiations with Chinese representatives.

 

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12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Commander-in-chief of the Thai Navy admiral Choengchai Chomchoengpaet on Thursday, May 18th, 2023, said it was up to the new government to make a decision on the purchase of the submarine from China.

If it remains to be MFP I can see that being cancelled, along with the F-35's

1. We will take a pass. We prefer to avoid Chinese junk, and we don't want to be dependent on the CCP for maintainance. 

 

2. We don't suffer from the same immature hubris the dinosaurs were saddled with. We have less to prove. 

 

3. We are more concerned about the people, and the enormously deep holes Prayuth dug. We realize there are bigger problems to deal with. 

 

4. We are rational. So, we realize one sub is a fairly  useless thing to possess.

 

5. We understand that is has been over 60 years since a Thai sailor piloted a submarine. So, the experience is non existent. 

 

We will pass. 

if i was pita i would of immediately responded with a resounding NO..... we ain't buying sheeeeeeet.

Whoa, what sub is this?

Is it the original sub that they can't deliver with a German engine or another one?

If the original sub, its hats off to the Thai navy for implementing the Chinese negotiating strategy of "back to square one"

Don't buy any yellow submarines without any oars ????

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

1. We will take a pass. We prefer to avoid Chinese junk, and we don't want to be dependent on the CCP for maintainance. 

 

2. We don't suffer from the same immature hubris the dinosaurs were saddled with. We have less to prove. 

 

3. We are more concerned about the people, and the enormously deep holes Prayuth dug. We realize there are bigger problems to deal with. 

 

4. We are rational. So, we realize one sub is a fairly  useless thing to possess.

 

5. We understand that is has been over 60 years since a Thai sailor piloted a submarine. So, the experience is non existent. 

 

We will pass. 

The backhanders have already been paid.If they back out there will be heavy penalties.All LOS needs is a decent Coast Guard for search and rescue.IMHO

They can cancel all the orders they like; the commissions are already in the bank.

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Regarding a planned procurement of a submarine from China, he said the Navy is only in the early stage of negotiations with Chinese representatives.

I thought this had been ongoing for quite a while already , commissions maybe already

spent, 

 

regards Worgeordie

Cancel ALL armaments for the next 20 years, unless the army can prove that their is a imminent threat from any nation nearby. Just invest money in border security - that is thailand issue - migrant invasion - not war invasion 

When asked if he'd vote for Pita as PM he said '' Um, err, well, ...........''

It would be nice to think that when, and if the new Government Coalition comes into existence, all the massive amounts of Money that were, and are to be spent on Boys Toys for the Military is stopped and rediverted back to the people in the form of better Education, better Health Care ,and more assistance for the Elderly and Infirmed

But this is Thailand, and it remains to be seen what trade offs are made Etc 

Too much money has been spent in recent Years on Military Hardware Etc for " National Security ", or just simply to pander to the insecurity of those in power.

The only invasion Thailand can expect is some kind of attack from the Laos Navy using their dug outs to full potential.

 

Deep six 'em.

5 hours ago, mikebell said:

They can cancel all the orders they like; the commissions are already in the bank.

If the commissions have to be repaid I doubt if the MFP will pay it. I suspect that their attitude may be,

 

You took the commissions, the problem is yours.

so long  as its painted yellow they can  do no wrong

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

1. We will take a pass. We prefer to avoid Chinese junk, and we don't want to be dependent on the CCP for maintainance. 

 

2. We don't suffer from the same immature hubris the dinosaurs were saddled with. We have less to prove. 

 

3. We are more concerned about the people, and the enormously deep holes Prayuth dug. We realize there are bigger problems to deal with. 

 

4. We are rational. So, we realize one sub is a fairly  useless thing to possess.

 

5. We understand that is has been over 60 years since a Thai sailor piloted a submarine. So, the experience is non existent. 

 

We will pass. 

6. We're aware of the fact, that the Gulf of Siam has an average depth of 45 meters

16 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

6. We're aware of the fact, that the Gulf of Siam has an average depth of 45 meters

Sorry, but the average depth in the Gulf of Siam is 58 meters, not 45.

37 minutes ago, Dario said:

Sorry, but the average depth in the Gulf of Siam is 58 meters, not 45.

Does the difference matter in the context of buying submarines....

First meeting...

 

"OK who wants to be Minster of Defense, take one step forward."

 

Room empties, crickets. And not just because of this issue.

 

 

A committee will be formed.

 

A study will be made.

 

A submarine will be in service just in time to ply the streets of Bangkok, which by then will have been submerged by rising ocean levels.

 

1 hour ago, Dario said:

Sorry, but the average depth in the Gulf of Siam is 58 meters, not 45.

Still, that presents additional challenges, with not a lot of room for error, which the RTN seems well-trained for.

 

Ever since the Manhattan Rebellion (1951), with the Thai flagship Sri Ayutthya sunk in the Chao Phraya River and PM/FM Phibul swimming to shore, the RTN has been the black sheep of the Thai Military Complex.

 

And what is the "mission" for patrolling the Gulf of Thailand? Squid fishing?

 

 

5 hours ago, Dario said:

Sorry, but the average depth in the Gulf of Siam is 58 meters, not 45.

According to (German) Wikipediea it's 45 m average and 85m maximum. But ok, Wiki often is not the best source to look :-).

With an average 58m the royal submariners are out of trouble ????

5 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Still, that presents additional challenges, with not a lot of room for error, which the RTN seems well-trained for.

Today, yes.

But the Royal Navy acts foresightedly. Climate change leeds to rising sea levels, you know.

One thing I will say about the Subs is they have provided endless laughs on this forum.....So they do have some value..

On 5/20/2023 at 6:10 AM, hotchilli said:

If it remains to be MFP I can see that being cancelled, along with the F-35's

Not the F35 because America

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

According to (German) Wikipediea it's 45 m average and 85m maximum. But ok, Wiki often is not the best source to look :-).

With an average 58m the royal submariners are out of trouble ????

There was a speech about the late king about exactly that....It is worth to google and read it....

On 5/20/2023 at 8:41 AM, RichardColeman said:

Cancel ALL armaments for the next 20 years, unless the army can prove that their is a imminent threat from any nation nearby. Just invest money in border security - that is thailand issue - migrant invasion - not war invasion 

A few years Cambodia sent rockets and Thailand answered with Artillery on a border dispute. Recently we had an military airplane from Myanmar going over Thailand.
The Thai navy is blocking the boats for illegal immigrants. And on the 2011 floods they did an excellent job.
In 2011 I asked myself how many modern 6wheel drive trucks they have....all modern and expensive. So I agree they might be over financed. but they are not complete worthless

On 5/20/2023 at 6:51 AM, sammieuk1 said:

Don't buy any yellow submarines without any oars ????

TIT... who needs oars?

47 minutes ago, h90 said:

There was a speech about the late king about exactly that....It is worth to google and read it....

RTN Sub-Mariners led the 1951 Manhattan Rebellion (~ year six of the reign of Rama IX), and after that coup was put down the RTN was shunted aside, and their power severely limted. This lead to the RTA ascending to the top of the Military heap. All four existing (Japanese made) submarines were decommissoned, and the submarine corps disbanded. And it was generally accepted that there would no submarines during the reign of Rama IX. There weren't. Shortly after his passing the RTN started agitating for subs.

 

 

14 hours ago, h90 said:

Not the F35 because America

Not so sure America want Thailand having F-35's being so close with China?

You know how they like to share technology.

15 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

RTN Sub-Mariners led the 1951 Manhattan Rebellion (~ year six of the reign of Rama IX), and after that coup was put down the RTN was shunted aside, and their power severely limted. This lead to the RTA ascending to the top of the Military heap. All four existing (Japanese made) submarines were decommissoned, and the submarine corps disbanded. And it was generally accepted that there would no submarines during the reign of Rama IX. There weren't. Shortly after his passing the RTN started agitating for subs.

 

 

The first talks must have been started long before he died......I clearly remember his speech about them stuck in the mud or a bit still showing out of the water when they are already on the ground as the gulf is so shallow. But there might have been just the discussion on what type. They were discussion refurbished used German submarines first but told they are too expensive.