Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, 2009 said: You could say that about any demographic bias though. No you couldn't! Maga is a CULT. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, placeholder said: And let's not get too carried away about the power of the secret service. It's not the pretorian guard. And let's not get too carried away with the fantasy of Trump going to prison. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2009 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: You'd prefer a 100% biased jury, then? Exactly, there'd be no complaints if it was 100% democrats in the jury, but one republican.......oh no! That's not fair! Should be 50/50 really. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, bignok said: So you think they ring around before any case has even been heard. That is absurd. Yes. They know the likely jurisdictions if there is a felony conviction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: Go on believing he declassified them.......you can say one thing but until it has been through many levels of review with the National Archives being the last one to certify it then they are not declassified. Thanks It seems to me the Potus office declassified the docs. Now comes the courts. DCPD-202100044 - Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation. https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/DCPD-202100044 “But the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without those formalities — has yet to be challenged in court”. https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2009 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: No you couldn't! Maga is a CULT. How is it a cult? Amazing, so being patriotic is a cult? Better tell that to most countries. ???? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: You'd prefer a 100% biased jury, then? Silly post. I prefer a normal jury that takes the jury instructions seriously and reaches a verdict based on the evidence provided. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: The stupid lawyer Trump should get rid of. Keep up, the lawyer referenced in the OP is not Trumps lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Just now, 2009 said: How is it a cult? Amazing, so being patriotic is a cult? Better tell that to most countries. ???? You seriously don't know? https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/31/the-messianic-trump-cult-00054382 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, riclag said: Thanks It seems to me the Potus office declassified the docs. Now comes the courts. DCPD-202100044 - Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation. https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/DCPD-202100044 “But the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without those formalities — has yet to be challenged in court”. https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html He did not declassify the documents he had in his possession at MaraLago I am afraid. Your view and backstopping of the truth you believe is not the same as true life events. I will agree to disagree with what you think. The President himself does not have wide sweeping declassification powers. To many security issues in those documents which need to be removed or redacted. 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2009 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: You seriously don't know? https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/31/the-messianic-trump-cult-00054382 Nice try to avoid actually giving an explanation. I thought MAGA people want to make their country great again. What could be cult-like about that? The country has gone down the toilet; we can see that all the way from Thailand. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jingthing said: 27 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: You'd prefer a 100% biased jury, then? Silly post. I prefer a normal jury that takes the jury instructions seriously and reaches a verdict based on the evidence provided. It was less silly than yours! You'd prefer a jury with no (to use your inappropriately denigrating tone) "Maga" contingent? Edited May 20, 2023 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2009 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Silly post. I prefer a normal jury that takes the jury instructions seriously and reaches a verdict based on the evidence provided. Really? Some people would rather just have Trump jailed irrespective of evidence. 1 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, 2009 said: Nice try to avoid actually giving an explanation. I thought MAGA people want to make their country great again. What could be cult-like about that? The country has gone down the toilet; we can see that all the way from Thailand. MAGA is a cult and it has absolutely no interest in making America great again. 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said: Yes. They know the likely jurisdictions if there is a felony conviction. A felony conviction? There hasn't even been an indictment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, riclag said: He declassified the docs but the FBI , the agency thats been in the news lately ,wouldn't allow the process to continue according to the abc article. I wonder Why imop “[It’s] a foot-and-a-half of documents, almost everything that the FBI had left out of public sight,” Solomon said in an interview with a right-wing website on Jan. 14, 2021, predicting that the documents could be “made public as early as tomorrow.” But the FBI objected to "any" release at all, Trump’s "declassification" memo said. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-day-office-sensitive-documents-allegedly-disarray/story?id=90989613 Scraping the barrel now then.......lol Claims made in a John Solomon book, the politcal commentator who was removed from the Hill for his discredited opinion pieces and dropped from Fox news for his paid contributions. Where is this make believe memo that Trump wrote to declassify all the docs? Did he also declassify the documents relating to nuclear weapons or Iran's missile program or even the U.S. intelligence work aimed at China? Try harder is my advice to you.................. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: He did not declassify the documents he had in his possession at MaraLago I am afraid. How could you know whether that is the case? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: How could you know whether that is the case? The FBI knows. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jerrymahoney Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: A felony conviction? There hasn't even been an indictment! Indictment of Donald Trump Indictment of Donald TrumpThe People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump is a pending criminal case against Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States. On March 30, 2023, Trump was indicted by a Manhattan grand jury for his alleged role in a scandal relating to hush money payments made to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 U.S. presidential election, making him the first U.S. president to be indicted.[5][6][7] Trump faces 34 felony charges of falsifying business records in the first degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_of_Donald_Trump 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: A felony conviction? There hasn't even been an indictment! Multiple coming soon. He has been indicted in the hush money case, felony charges. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, 2009 said: Really? Some people would rather just have Trump jailed irrespective of evidence. Most Americans want him to have fair trials just as any other accused citizen. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Multiple coming soon. He has been indicted in the hush money case, felony charges. The discussion and my comment is about the "classified" documents, not the "Daniels" case. What could you know about "multiple incoming"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: A felony conviction? There hasn't even been an indictment! Geez man, you seriously didn't know? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, riclag said: Thanks It seems to me the Potus office declassified the docs. Now comes the courts. DCPD-202100044 - Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation. https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/DCPD-202100044 “But the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without those formalities — has yet to be challenged in court”. https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html Your last link is quite interesting. Have you noticed this? The classification system is separate from criminal penalties that Congress has imposed to protect security secrets. For example, the Espionage Act of 1917 — one of the three laws cited in the search warrant of Mar-a-Lago in Florida — is designed to protect secrets related to defense information that could harm the U.S. or aid a foreign adversary. It makes no reference to materials’ classification status, and prosecutors in an Espionage Act case do not need to prove that materials were classified but rather that they were “closely held,” and their release could damage national security. The search warrant executed in August at Mar-a-Lago cited as “probable cause” violations of relevant parts of the Presidential Records Act, which does not carry criminal penalties, as well as three provisions of criminal law: a part of the Espionage Act that deals with the mishandling of “national defense information” (18 U.S.C. § 793); a records-related obstruction statute (18 U.S.C. § 1519); and a third that deals with the mishandling of public records (18 U.S.C. § 2071). None of the three criminal statutes deal with classified material per se. Penalties differ. The obstruction-related statute carries the strongest sentence of a fine and a maximum 20 years in jail for each offense. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said: Indictment of Donald Trump Indictment of Donald TrumpThe People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump is a pending criminal case against Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States. On March 30, 2023, Trump was indicted by a Manhattan grand jury for his alleged role in a scandal relating to hush money payments made to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 U.S. presidential election, making him the first U.S. president to be indicted.[5][6][7] Trump faces 34 felony charges of falsifying business records in the first degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_of_Donald_Trump Yes, very good but the OP, the thread and my comments are about the "classified" documents not the porn actress case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Berkshire said: 11 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: A felony conviction? There hasn't even been an indictment! Geez man, you seriously didn't know? Geez, man, can't you read the OP title, that's what I, an everyone else, is commenting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: The discussion and my comment is about the "classified" documents, not the "Daniels" case. What could you know about "multiple incoming"? It's obvious to anyone paying attention but stay in denial if that pleases you. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: Don't suppose that you could back up the illogical "fascist leader" accusation? I could cite 1000 links explaining it but I won't bother because I know trump loyalists arent actually interested. Edited May 20, 2023 by Jingthing 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: The discussion and my comment is about the "classified" documents, not the "Daniels" case. What could you know about "multiple incoming"? Well OK but I have been responding to concerns about how the Secret Service would be involved following any felony convictions incurring prison time state or federal: Tons of advance planning would go into Trump's security before he entered any sort of prison, according to law enforcement experts. Keeping an ex-president safe while in jail would be a major concern, and it's not something that security officials have had to plan for before. https://www.businessinsider.com/secret-service-agent-protect-trump-jail-prison-state-federal-crimes-2021-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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