Bullman, the Norwegian killer and fugitive from Thai justice lands in Oslo on a false name and passport

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Must have been a good false passport, 

How about he changed his name legally by deed poll and has been issued with a new genuine passport? Perhaps Norwegian Embassies support their citizens well?

[khunjeff]

17 minutes ago, Falcon said:

You can’t be extradited from your own country, especially where there is the likelihood of receiving a death sentence. 

Some countries don't allow the extradition of their own citizens, but many do. In addition, most extradition treaties allow countries to refuse to extradite their own citizens, but normally with the proviso that they must then be tried in their home country instead.

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Is there any other country in the world that gives bail to murderers?

At the time he was arrested he was a suspect. But, because he was likely to flee he should not have been bailed.

[Tubulat]

8 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

 "It brings to an end his long flight from the clutches of Thai authorities". 

Someone grease the clutches?

As far as I know, couplings should not be lubricated.

[bignok]

5 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

At the time he was arrested he was a suspect. But, because he was likely to flee he should not have been bailed.

Or take passport and $100,000 bail. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, ChipButty said:

There was one years ago in Chalong got away never to be seen again, Im not mentioning any names here 

Ronald Biggs was here?

[Pedrogaz]

He looks pretty evil....but even he got his bail on a murder charge. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

3 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

He lost his freedom the moment he took the life of another. He might not have been in prison since 2019 but his mind and every passing thought certainly has. On the run, always looking over his shoulder. No chance to meet to meet his daughter and now seemingly not in the best of health. His pigeons are coming home to roost.

Oh! I thought that was dandruff on his shoulders.

[thaibreaker]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Shouldn't that be ALLEGED killer?

 

 

 

 

I think what they meant to write there was "Bullman was" etc. Not "Killer was" etc. If they meant the latter, they surely would have put "The" in front.

A mixup of words, me thinks.

Edited May 29, 2023 by thaibreaker

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Falcon said:

You can’t be extradited from your own country, especially where there is the likelihood of receiving a death sentence. 

That Thai government just need to promise that they wont execute the prisoner .

   Happened with the British guy in Phuket , Lee Aldehouse , he got extradited from the U.K to Thailand and got 50 years jail

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Vorayuth killed someone accidentally in a traffic incident, he did not murder anyone.  Bullman had been charged with assault, not murder when he was bailed.

However, being high in drugs with someone taking the blame for your actions to me is tantamount to murder. 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Did you even read your own list or just copy and pasted it? Most of the list say it not happens or rarely happens in case of murder.

The question was whether any other country allows bail for people on a murder charge. 

 

As that list shows, many do. Yes,  there are restrictions and yes, it's quite rare but that still means that many do allow it.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Which murder case was that?

Pedantic, you are fully aware of what was inferred 

[Pink Mist]

A post baiting another member has been removed.

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...for assault.

Why was he only charged with assault, the guy was dead. Should have been manslaughter at a minimum.

Edited May 29, 2023 by giddyup

[gerritkaew]

I. remember this case, he clime over a balcony and later forced himself in the room next door where in a "fight" he strangled the man next door,, his wife off the Indian looked man, but UK paspoort screaming and help from hotel arrived.

But bail,, its thailand, afcourse he flee, he just murdered someone,,, THINK!!!

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, gerritkaew said:

I. remember this case, he clime over a balcony and later forced himself in the room next door where in a "fight" he strangled the man next door,, his wife off the Indian looked man, but UK paspoort screaming and help from hotel arrived.

But bail,, its thailand, afcourse he flee, he just murdered someone,,, THINK!!!

Full story here 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8003899/Opera-singing-bodybuilder-says-murder-Brit-dad-Thailand.html

 

[giddyup]

14 minutes ago, gerritkaew said:

I. remember this case, he clime over a balcony and later forced himself in the room next door where in a "fight" he strangled the man next door,, his wife off the Indian looked man, but UK paspoort screaming and help from hotel arrived.

But bail,, its thailand, afcourse he flee, he just murdered someone,,, THINK!!!

And he has the audacity to claim self defense.

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

Ronald Biggs was here?

Not that far back

[off road pat]

8 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Must have been a good false passport, 

 

Must have been a real  one with a false name, because he evaded French border police and they are very well trained !! Maybe he got it at the Norwegian Embassy in Hanoi. ??? this is going to be a very interesting story to follow if there is any follow up !?!?

[Phil1964]

7 hours ago, khunjeff said:

If the whole world seems to know about his arrival in Norway using a false name and passport, why wasn't he immediately arrested for that by Norwegian authorities? Even leaving aside the murder charge, flying around under a false identity or with forged documents isn't something that's taken lightly by any government. Or are the articles somehow suggesting that the Norwegian embassy in Hanoi knowingly issued the bogus passport to him?

Absolutely, and as the victim was a British citizen should'nt the UK police / authorities now have him in their custody and charged, seeing as this perpetrator is back on European soil? (Maybe he's already flown off elsewhere on another fake passport).

Or does co-operation around things like this not happen in European circles?

 

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

How about he changed his name legally by deed poll and has been issued with a new genuine passport? Perhaps Norwegian Embassies support their citizens well?

touched down in Oslo on a flight from Paris with a false name and passport

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

In the UK you are not Bailed on a murder charge you are locked up to prevent witness intimidation and have enough evidence to charge the suspect. Only insufficient evidence will allow a suspect to walk but will be monitered.

According to the info posted by @Paradise Pete earlier in this thread, that's not quite accurate.

 

He posted the following:

 

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United Kingdom: Murder suspects can be granted bail but it is less common due to the seriousness of the crime.

 

[ChipButty]

11 minutes ago, off road pat said:

 

Must have been a real  one with a false name, because he evaded French border police and they are very well trained !! Maybe he got it at the Norwegian Embassy in Hanoi. ??? this is going to be a very interesting story to follow if there is any follow up !?!?

That did cross my mind as you say lets see if they extradite him like the Canadian guy 

[SuperSaiyan]

8 hours ago, bignok said:

Even badly behaved people don't deserve death. Noise doesnt result in death. A murderer does that.

Why are you making the assumption that this was murder?

[Burma Bill]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

admitted that he killed a British family man at a luxury hotel in Phuket

Must have played his "get out of jail free" card!

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, giddyup said:

Seems a TV station in Norway managed to track him down.

I didn't see that stated. In the second article on this thread, it says the Norwegian TV2 channel reported on his having handed himself in to police. It didn't say they'd found him themselves.

 

Unless that was reported elsewhere.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan said:

Why are you making the assumption that this was murder?

Erm, because the suspect himself admits having strangled the British guy?

 

Admittedly, he claims it was in self defence but since he was the one that broke in to the Brit's room (which is where the deadly confrontation took place) that seems unlikely.

[blackcab]

8 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Thailand has an extradition treaty since 1999. Nowadays Thailand has signed Extradition treaties with 14 countries, including the United States of America, United Kingdom, Canada, France, Norway, China, South Korea, India, Poland, Peru, Australia, Sri Lanka, Belgium and Ukraine.

 

I thought France and China didn't allow extradition of their own citizens.

[rudi49jr]

Hope he gets extradited and has a long and very miserable rest of his life in a Thai prison.