Two deaths linked with cannabis use and violent incidents reported in recent days by Thai police

[Rimmer]

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[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, firemans35 said:

I didn't think pot would cause hallucinations sp I looked online, apparently it can cause them. I'm heard of people smoking marijuana cigarettes laced with PCP and they go crazy and killing people.

Oh well if its on line it must be true

[Bday Prang]

11 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Waiting on the drug results on the 14 YO.

if he shows  negative expect to hear nothing, but I'm pretty certain its already been decided what the test will show   they won't let the truth get in the way of a good story like this one

[wombat]

always weed never the meth...editors are now a extinct species

[MrJ2U]

That's a YaBa addict face.

 

[Dogmatix]

The link with cannabis seems somewhat tenuous in both cases.  However, it is strange that there are no calls for a total prohibition on alcohol every time some one is killed by a drunk.

[Dogmatix]

15 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

That's a YaBa addict face.

 

Definitely not a pothead face to be sure.

[jollyhangmon]

... and today Luxembourg voted for legalisation of that nasty drug for personal use & homegrow, Germany on their way slowly but surely - a clear no-brainer ... at least for folks with brains in the first place, 555 ...

[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

Definitely not a pothead face to be sure.

Only a face a mother could love. 

[Kalasin Jo]

Meth & marijuana? Don't blame the weed, blame the meth. Why this lethal and illegal drug with who knows what it's cut with is so widely and cheaply available beats me. Oh wait I think I know. Somebody with an interest in banning the former again whilst tellingly ignoring the latter is banging this drum to death.

[Speedhump]

18 hours ago, gargamon said:

So the guy was taking meth and also smoked some marijuana, and they blame the marijuana for his murder spree? Wow. Somebody's got an agenda here. 

I REALLY can't understand why some people put a 'confused' emoticon under your comment. It scares me.

[Bim Smith]

If it was alcohol I would agree. Cannabis? Never. It's impossible to even be motivated on the stuff to do anything. As taking personal responsibility? I don't know of one Thai who does. 

[jacko45k]

19 hours ago, pomchop said:

never one time have i personally observed a pot smoker go "berserk

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence..... particularly for personal experience. 

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, Dickie Dee said:

Nobody ever killed anyone because they smoked pot. METH however makes people mean and vicious and insane and homocidal. Even Cops. 

 

Nonsense.... plenty of reports being bandied about on this, that is what is getting the potheads in a tizzy, creating their strawmen. A few more relating to those eating the stuff.  I do not deny Meth is far more serious.

[kingstonkid]

14 hours ago, stoner said:

what are you insinuating with this ? and why bring a personal attack into this conversation ? 

 

strange. 

Was talking about you growing up near me

 

If that's a bad thing sorry

 

[stoner]

29 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Was talking about you growing up near me

 

If that's a bad thing sorry

 

i misunderstood. my fault there. 

[Dionigi]

15 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Freely available is a result of translation, "free" in the sense that it is free from previous legal restrictions, and it means fully legal for recreational/personal use.

 

Cannabis Flower that is.

 

But, yes you may see a sign in the dispensary that says "Free Weed Tomorrow".

Thanks for the mansplaining

[Reginald Prewster]

people say:  Ganja make you stupid and apathethic ...

I don't know it but I give a <deleted> about anyway... 

 

Others say: Ganja makes you overestimate your personal limits and capabilities...

How do I know, huh?

I left the basic school after 8 years without reaching the basic degree and from then on I was busy to reach the senior management position, where I am working since 2011 and booted some highly graduated newbies, because they knew <deleted> all... 

I had really had no time to overestimate my personal limits neither my capabilities.. ????

[wealthychef]

On 6/28/2023 at 7:38 AM, jacko45k said:

Yes quite likely, there is political mileage in putting down cannabis.... I certainly am beginning to think it does not mix well with meth though!

Actually what does not mix with meth is machetes.  555  Pot mellows you out.  How many times do us pot addicts need to explain this to non-users?  Yes it can trigger psychosis in those predisposed, but it does not cause people to attack each other with machetes or other things.  It makes you sleep and get lazy.  Addiction and violence are extremely rare under the influence of the drug, it's an expression of deeper issues in the patient.  I would venture to guess that addictions to political news sites or even Facebook cause far more violence than weed.  I'd like to see a study of the number of violent crimes committed by pot users vs. non-users.  I don't believe I've ever seen that one done. 

[sambum]

Head line :- "Two deaths linked with cannabis use and violent incidents reported in recent days by Thai police...."

 

"The suspect told police that he had been smoking marijuana but had also taken two methamphetamine tablets."

 

The man admitted to police he had taken methamphetamine pills and smoked marijuana 

 

So, why is marijuana blamed? I think the headline could have been more appropriately worded more appropriately, e.g.:-

  "Two deaths linked with methamphetamine  use and violent incidents reported in recent days by Thai police...."

[Thingamabob]

Marijuana has a calming effect while meth results in, inter-alia, extreme aggression.

[pacovl46]

On 6/28/2023 at 9:38 AM, ThaiFelix said:

The media is only joining the band wagon steered by some other party/ies.

Yeah, they contribute a lot to it, though 

[Bday Prang]

On 6/28/2023 at 4:10 PM, spidermike007 said:

It is extremely rare. And the vast majority of the time it happens, it is due to the individual already having severe mental health issues. Other drugs are a different story. 

 

It does seem to be very clear from research that if a person already has a chronic psychotic condition, such as schizophrenia, that using marijuana can trigger an episode of psychosis. Studies also show that people with certain genes that predispose them to schizophrenia are more likely to develop the condition if they use cannabis.

 

https://www.brightquest.com/cannabis-induced-psychosis/

 

 

I wonder how they actually conduct these tests,  presumably they must round up a few of the local nut jobs and force feed them cannabis , (a bit like they make puppies smoke 40 ciggies a day) until they go nuts. Although I can't see that method being thought of as very ethical by the "medical community"  especially as even though when they are reasonably sure of the results, they would still have to continue finding more and more of the unfortunate souls to test in order to achieve the desired level of accuracy 

More likely the research is based on anecdotal evidence from a variety of questionable sources, ie the criminal justice system " I only did it because i was stoned its not my fault "    or the social security system  " I cant work cos I got anxiety due to smokin weed,   where do I claim"

 

  I wouldn't read too much into anything written on that the website you linked to,  its a private company who probably does very well out of the  subject of cannabis psychosis 

[drgoon]

the guy in the photo is a meth head 100%.

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 6/28/2023 at 8:25 AM, jacko45k said:

I do not believe the medical use is under threat, and more power to it. 

All freedom of choice is under attack... if allowed, people like you will limit where and how and how much cost will be involved.  I had a medical marijuana card in Florida and it was a hassle much worse than getting your visas and 90 day reports done here... and yes hands were out at every step of the way.

[bamnutsak]

21 hours ago, sambum said:

So, why is marijuana blamed?

Cannabis is legal.

 

Methamphetamine is illegal.

 

So like Fridge Guy, it's best to claim you were just high from Cannabis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jacko45k]

19 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

if allowed, people like you

You have your head in your own fundament.... people like me have no ability to impact ' limit where and how and how much cost will be involved' here in Thailand. Doing my 90 day reports here is simple, near trivial, so you know little of that too!

[Skipalongcassidy]

17 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You have your head in your own fundament.... people like me have no ability to impact ' limit where and how and how much cost will be involved' here in Thailand. Doing my 90 day reports here is simple, near trivial, so you know little of that too!

Then why are you so hellbent on reversing the legalization of marijuana in Thailand... that's "the people like you" to which I refer.

[jacko45k]

Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

Then why are you so hellbent on reversing the legalization of marijuana in Thailand... that's "the people like you" to which I refer.

Have I said that somewhere.?. I do not believe so. Let me explain it to you again.. I have no ability or the authority to reverse any legal matters pertaining to anything in Thailand. I made a comment supporting the medical use and availability for that purpose, 'more power to it' I think it was.  

[bbbbooboo]

hmmm...good to see everything is fine in the land of smiles