Overpass collapses in Lat Krabang, injuring many

[metisdead]

A post trolling about midgets has been removed.

[Tropposurfer]

As a monumentally stupid person I resent that!  ????????????????????????

[Bangkok Barry]

  On 7/10/2023 at 10:15 PM, neeray said:

Wasn't there another bridge incident in the past month? Best stay well away from bridges. Bad things come in threes.

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Yes. Along with bits falling off of expressways.

[sammieuk1]

And just a thought they are building high speed elevated train lines all over the place they may need some calculations as to how far a 250kph train travels airborne ???? 

[lopburi3]

More recent reports are that a crane lifting a section of roadway into place failed and dropped it onto a 500 meter section of the 2km elevated roadway causing the collapse.  A construction accident.

[JoePai]

Is this the same :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-66159448 

[Grumpy one]

  On 7/10/2023 at 2:26 PM, ourmanflint said:

“Engineered to global safety standards” though!

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For mice or cockroaches ?

[dogfish180]

Good to see they have those "Safety First" banners around the site! Should read "Safety Last"

[Stargeezr]

I wonder what company was building this overpass?  The investigation will have to be a good one, as this kind of thing should not happen

in this day and age. IMO

[metisdead]

An off topic post and a reply about bridge failures in the USA have been removed.

[Yellowtail]

It was a type of form/fixture that collapsed, not a bridge. 

 

It was a construction accident, not a bridge collapse. 

[rwill]

At least there were at about 100 Safety First banners posted around the site.

[Yellowtail]

  On 7/11/2023 at 3:05 AM, rwill said:

At least there were at about 100 Safety First banners posted around the site.

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I always find construction disasters hilarious as well. 

[cncltd1973]

why wait for the facts? unless someone wrecked their car into the jobsite, this failure occurred during construction where the building standard is "good enough", once that level is reached then it's off to the next job, I see this standard in everything here, so of course there will be plenty more mistakes than a country whose standard is "as good as possible". I imagine there's an official construction inspector that monitors progress and safety, but is there really? unskilled workers doing the job while bosses are napping/scrolling and not supervising, it's not surprising . it would be surprising if this wasn't worker error and I'll be happy to be proved wrong after the investigation,  you can tell me so if it turns out that way, and I'll do the same (after I'm proved right????)

[Zapitapi]

<deleted> happens everywhere..all in all i personally cant say construction in general is bad here in LOS

[Moti24]

Under construction or not, I'm surprised more overpasses haven't collapsed since they've been built.  Nearly all working pickups and LGVs are pushing the limits on a daily basis.  Obviously nobody has never heard of the ideom, "The Straw that broke the camel's back". 

 

I dread what's going to happen when all the EVs join the party. 

[Chongalulu]

  On 7/11/2023 at 3:13 AM, Yellowtail said:

  On 7/11/2023 at 3:05 AM, rwill said:

At least there were at about 100 Safety First banners posted around the site.

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I always find construction disasters hilarious as well. 

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But what's your take on satire. You do understand that concept..?

[Mr Meeseeks]

  On 7/11/2023 at 3:05 AM, rwill said:

At least there were at about 100 Safety First banners posted around the site.

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To Thai top management, that is health and safety. All show and no go. All mouth and no trousers.

 

As I have stated numerous times before, health and safety is a hindrance to earning profits in Thailand and thus is ignored, dismissed out of hand or treated as a secondary concern.

 

If there are health and safety systems in place they are often impeded by poor management and supervision, incompetence, arrogance, and laziness. I've seen it first hand at a number of Thai companies. Top management telling field supervisors that they know better even though they don't have any experience of health and safety at any level. 

 

Thailand has to get serious about health and safety and start properly punishing companies that are negligent. 

 

In the UK the HSE would be all over this with millions of Pounds of fines and charges of corporate manslaughter.

[bristolgeoff]

Someones head will be on the chopping block for this one

[Mario Cosmopolite]

  On 7/11/2023 at 2:55 AM, Yellowtail said:

It was a type of form/fixture that collapsed, not a bridge. 

 

It was a construction accident, not a bridge collapse. 

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It appears that this was a precast concrete segment bridge erected using a gantry; similar to the picture. 

https://www.pci.org/PCI_Docs/Design_Resources/Guides_and_manuals/references/bridge_design_manual/JL-10-Winter_Self-Launching_Erection_Machines_for_Precast_Concrete_Bridges.pdf

Whether the gantry failed or a previously placed unit on which the gantry sat failed first is difficult to identify from the pictures I've seen. Failure of these erector gantries was not uncommon 20 years ago when they were fairly novel.

[brewsterbudgen]

  On 7/11/2023 at 5:21 AM, bristolgeoff said:

Someones head will be on the chopping block for this one

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See @Mr Meeseeks's post above.  I'm not even sure that 'corporate manslaughter' exists in Thai law.  Even if someone gets blamed it will be low level engineer and not the company bosses/directors.

[Yellowtail]

  On 7/11/2023 at 5:41 AM, Mario Cosmopolite said:

It appears that this was a precast concrete segment bridge erected using a gantry; similar to the picture. 

https://www.pci.org/PCI_Docs/Design_Resources/Guides_and_manuals/references/bridge_design_manual/JL-10-Winter_Self-Launching_Erection_Machines_for_Precast_Concrete_Bridges.pdf

Whether the gantry failed or a previously placed unit on which the gantry sat failed first is difficult to identify from the pictures I've seen. Failure of these erector gantries was not uncommon 20 years ago when they were fairly novel.

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Exactly, it was the fixture that fell, and I do not think it was very high or supporting anything when it fell. 

 

I drove through that jobsite yesterday afternoon and the fixture and on blocks, not on top of the columns. Unless there was another one on the same site I missed. 

 

We were coming back from the "Siam Premium Outlets Bangkok" mall. Drove by one side in going in the morning and the other coming back in the afternoon. 

[thailand49]

  On 7/10/2023 at 10:28 PM, Skipalongcassidy said:

I'm sticking to my 4 foot rule... that's as high as I go in Thailand... even if it's certified to be engineered to the highest standards... I say ... RAISE THE STANDARDS

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Good idea but it is more of the onsite inspection neccessary, quality of cement and inspection. ????

[Yellowtail]

  On 7/11/2023 at 5:42 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

See @Mr Meeseeks's post above.  I'm not even sure that 'corporate manslaughter' exists in Thai law.  Even if someone gets blamed it will be low level engineer and not the company bosses/directors.

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Do you in the event of a construction site disaster that a director at Bechtel would be prosecuted? 

 

 

 

[mikeymike100]

  On 7/11/2023 at 5:21 AM, bristolgeoff said:

Someones head will be on the chopping block for this one

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You would think so? But in the land of no accountability I kinds doubt it!

[RobU]

My opinion of Thai road construction and repair is poor. The finished product may be good but the process of construction/repair is sloppy and unsafe. Atrocious project management, stupid risk taking with both workers and road users. This section would probably have been extremely safe once it was connected to the other sections. The construction engineers failed to provide adequate support for the section during the construction phase and other people have paid the price

[Yellowtail]

  On 7/11/2023 at 7:42 AM, RobU said:

My opinion of Thai road construction and repair is poor. The finished product may be good but the process of construction/repair is sloppy and unsafe. Atrocious project management, stupid risk taking with both workers and road users. This section would probably have been extremely safe once it was connected to the other sections. The construction engineers failed to provide adequate support for the section during the construction phase and other people have paid the price

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I think they do a pretty good job for what they spend and what they have to work with. 

 

Ever notice how many/most of the huge contractors in Thailand are European or Japanese? 

 

[sandyf]

  On 7/11/2023 at 3:27 AM, cncltd1973 said:

why wait for the facts?

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Why indeed, when false rumour and speculation makes the xenophobe that much happier.

[h90]

  On 7/10/2023 at 10:25 PM, 2baht said:

Housewives myth!

 

 

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yes and no....truly random things like to make small cluster (if they would be even spaced it wouldn't be random). if you shoot an dart randomly it appears that there are always 2-3 together.

Of course it doesn't really come in 3, but if you look at it, it looks like it does

[ChrisY1]

  On 7/10/2023 at 10:21 PM, flyingtlger said:

There was a recent article claiming the support for over passes were safe after a tourist questioned the size of the supports....Right!?

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That structure is in Nonthaburi..the other side of town