Every scenario is nightmarish

[webfact]

 

The “catastrophe loading” has been completed, so to speak, after Parliament on Thursday rejected the nomination of Pita Limjaroenrat as the new prime minister. The objective of every player now is avoid getting killed, either instantly or slowly.

 

It will be a free for all survival game. Defiant Pita will seek a second try, amid threats of something happening between now and next week that could damage his qualifications, and a constitutional question whether a shot-down motion could be resubmitted in the same parliamentary term. Pheu Thai will be re-evaluating its risks and opportunities. Prawit Wongsuwan and Prayut Chan-o-cha will both wait for a windfall. Even Anutin Charnvirakul must be thinking he can have a shot.

 

The polarity had been clear leading to Thursday’s voting. But realignment is possible from now on. Even if the current Pita alliance is unchanged and guaranteed substantially-bigger senatorial support next time, or even if the young politician managed to convince some of the parties opposing him to make a U-turn, the legal and constitutional question could realistically get in his way.

 

Pheu Thai can tell him “We have tried our best, but we aren’t going anywhere, so let’s try one of our party’s nominees.” This hopefully could get more senators on board, because Article 112 will move towards the background, but Move Forward remaining in the alliance means much of the Senate could remain hostile.

 

By Tulsathit Taptim

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/every-scenario-is-nightmarish/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-07-14

 

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[CelticBhoy]

It's clearly not Pita's turn and Thaksin and his clan know it.

Pita will have his day, it's not just now I'm sorry to say.

The unrest that this will cause should be everyone's concern.

[Eric Loh]

59 minutes ago, CelticBhoy said:

It's clearly not Pita's turn and Thaksin and his clan know it.

Pita will have his day, it's not just now I'm sorry to say.

The unrest that this will cause should be everyone's concern.

Any unrest will be a serious concern for the new regime who just assumed the esteem role. The fear for him is that he may be ensnared into the politics and be blamed. He also fear that the unrest may snowball into his domain. 

[Screaming]

1 hour ago, CelticBhoy said:

It's clearly not Pita's turn and Thaksin and his clan know it.

Pita will have his day, it's not just now I'm sorry to say.

The unrest that this will cause should be everyone's concern.

Pita should realize that he does not have the support of the senators and relinquish his pursuit of being the PM. He should "Move Forward" and let someone else have the position.

[djayz]

12 minutes ago, Screaming said:

he does not have the support of the senators

... but he does have the support of the people. So, who decides? Millions of citizens who want to see a change or a few hundred, hand-picked, privileged senators? 

[Dmaxdan]

12 minutes ago, djayz said:

... but he does have the support of the people. So, who decides? Millions of citizens who want to see a change or a few hundred, hand-picked, privileged senators? 

Who decides? On paper, the millions of Thai citizens. In reality, the privileged senators.

It makes the whole election process a complete farce.

[Bassosa]

At least it's on full display for the world to see. I mean Thailand's faux democracy of course. 

[h90]

19 minutes ago, djayz said:

... but he does have the support of the people. So, who decides? Millions of citizens who want to see a change or a few hundred, hand-picked, privileged senators? 

28 % of all voters voted for him. 73% voted for someone else or didn't care to vote at all.....

14 Million out of 55 vote for him

[h90]

there are so many other coalitions possible.....

[champers]

6 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

At least it's on full display for the world to see. I mean Thailand's faux democracy of course. 

It won't serve the country well, that's for sure.

[connda]

41 minutes ago, CelticBhoy said:

It's clearly not Pita's turn and Thaksin and his clan know it.

Pita will have his day, it's not just now I'm sorry to say.

The unrest that this will cause should be everyone's concern.

That's pretty much states it.  He'll have his day.  Like it or not, this is a parliamentary 'democracy' and a guy doesn't win simply because he's handsome and has a ton of cash (although it helps). 

However - if an Color Revolution erupts because so-called 'democracy' didn't happen the way some want?  Well, it won't remain a parliamentary 'democracy' for long.  I mean, look at the likes of the UK.  Who elected Truss and Sunak?  It wasn't an election of the general public.  Same will go for Thailand.  Thailand?  UK?  They aren't Direct Democracies like Switzerland.  So rioting because "your guy" or "your gal" doesn't get the top spot because the country doesn't elect their PM based on the vote of the general public doesn't make the country stronger. 

[bignok]

31 minutes ago, djayz said:

... but he does have the support of the people. So, who decides? Millions of citizens who want to see a change or a few hundred, hand-picked, privileged senators? 

Party won the votes. Step aside let mr 2 have a go.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, CelticBhoy said:

Pita will have his day, it's not just now I'm sorry to say.

No he won't.

 

He will be banned from politics due to the shareholding in iTV and MFP disbanded. 

[h90]

7 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

No he won't.

 

He will be banned from politics due to the shareholding in iTV and MFP disbanded. 

not only iTV...there is already a list of wrongdoings...but won't stop them to restart the same party with different name...

[h90]

13 minutes ago, connda said:

That's pretty much states it.  He'll have his day.  Like it or not, this is a parliamentary 'democracy' and a guy doesn't win simply because he's handsome and has a ton of cash (although it helps). 

However - if an Color Revolution erupts because so-called 'democracy' didn't happen the way some want?  Well, it won't remain a parliamentary 'democracy' for long.  I mean, look at the likes of the UK.  Who elected Truss and Sunak?  It wasn't an election of the general public.  Same will go for Thailand.  Thailand?  UK?  They aren't Direct Democracies like Switzerland.  So rioting because "your guy" or "your gal" doesn't get the top spot because the country doesn't elect their PM based on the vote of the general public doesn't make the country stronger. 

and democracies that elect a specific guy, like in USA or in France also have big problems.

[Pink Mist]

A troll post and off-topic post have been removed

[connda]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The “catastrophe loading” has been completed, so to speak, after Parliament on Thursday rejected the nomination of Pita Limjaroenrat as the new prime minister. The objective of every player now is avoid getting killed, either instantly or slowly.

Who wrote that?  It's incendiary. What is meant by "The objective of every player now is avoid getting killed?"  Really?

[connda]

1 hour ago, djayz said:

... but he does have the support of the people. So, who decides? Millions of citizens who want to see a change or a few hundred, hand-picked, privileged senators? 

Well, then they need to get into power to change the Constitution to allow the general public to select the Prime Minister...or President...or Premier...or however they wish to define a leader.  In this Constitutional Monarchy with a Parliamentary Democracy, the common-folk don't elect the Prime Minister. 
The constitutions seems to change right in line with the coups and then the reinstatement of civilian governments.
Talk about a "living document" that is subject to change on a whim.

Edited July 14, 2023 by connda

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

28 % of all voters voted for him. 73% voted for someone else or didn't care to vote at all.....

14 Million out of 55 vote for him

Did anyone do better than MF and Pita in the recent election?

[MrMojoRisin]

Back to the polls. 
Snap election time

MF will win 376 seats by themselves.

Giddy up.

[h90]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Did anyone do better than MF and Pita in the recent election?

yes, for example a coalition of other parties...as MF has no majority alone.....There is no law that says the strongest party must be in the government. and PTP is almost as strong

[h90]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Back to the polls. 
Snap election time

MF will win 376 seats by themselves.

Giddy up.

Many think they lost many of their voters.....but of course that could just a dream of the opposition.......but if the opposition thinks that and MF think that they could win big.

Than by all means make the snap election.

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Did anyone do better than MF and Pita in the recent election?

The senators ........ they have 250 seats, beating everyone else.

[djayz]

3 hours ago, h90 said:

28 % of all voters voted for him. 73% voted for someone else or didn't care to vote at all.....

14 Million out of 55 vote for him

What are you talking about?! 

Read the second sentence here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Thai_general_election

and the first sentence here: 

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by djayz

[onthedarkside]

Another off topic trolling post removed. This is not about the US

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, h90 said:

28 % of all voters voted for him. 73% voted for someone else or didn't care to vote at all.....

14 Million out of 55 vote for him

Which is more, significantly more, than voted for anyone else.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, connda said:

That's pretty much states it.  He'll have his day.  Like it or not, this is a parliamentary 'democracy' and a guy doesn't win simply because he's handsome and has a ton of cash (although it helps). 

No, he has to get more votes than the other candidates.

 

Hold on a moment...

[dinsdale]

5 hours ago, Screaming said:

Pita should realize that he does not have the support of the senators and relinquish his pursuit of being the PM. He should "Move Forward" and let someone else have the position.

Ah! Yes this is true. He has the support of the people and his coalition but not the support of the military senate. Complete farce manufactured by the junta. Question needs to be asked will Thailand always be dominated by the minority that sees the Three Pillars as an absolute or will the people raise up and demand change? Another coup will see this country go the way of Myanmar and my fear is this is what is planned.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, h90 said:

28 % of all voters voted for him. 73% voted for someone else or didn't care to vote at all.....

14 Million out of 55 vote for him

Pita is the chosen PM candidate of Move Forward and Pheu Thai. Between them, these two parties achieved 67% of 'Party List' votes cast and 49.9% of the 'Constituency' vote. 

 

Throw in the votes for the other parties in the coalition and I'd suggest that's a pretty compelling argument in support of Pita's nomination as PM.

[brommers]

We will soon see the return of censored news, journalists and others sent to hidden places for attitude adjustment, selective curfews, military on the streets and all the joys that Prayuth brought. Thailand is on the edge of standing alongside Myanmar & Cambodia as a repressed state. But the rest of the world will simply shrug and move on because to them this country is an irrelevance.