Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory - scientists

[Social Media]

A series of climate records on temperature, ocean heat, and Antarctic sea ice have alarmed some scientists who say their speed and timing is "unprecedented".

Dangerous heatwaves sweeping Europe could break further records, according to the UN.

It is hard to immediately link these events to climate change because weather - and the Earth's oceans - are so complex.

Studies are underway, but scientists already fear some worst-case scenarios are unfolding.

"I'm not aware of a similar period when all parts of the climate system were in record-breaking or abnormal territory," Thomas Smith, an environmental geographer at London School of Economics, says.

"The Earth is in uncharted territory" now due to global warming from burning fossil fuels, as well as heat from the first El Niño - a warming natural weather system - since 2018, says Imperial College London climate science lecturer Dr Paulo Ceppi.

 

Here are four climate records broken so far this summer - and what they mean.

 

FULL STORY

 

[Tug]

Serious stuff hope we haven’t created our own extinction 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Serious stuff hope we haven’t created our own extinction 

We're working on it in the background steadily.

Digging it up causing pollution, processing it causing pollution, burning it to power stuff causing pollution.

One day it will all come to an end... 

[ozimoron]

There will be a climate change denier along in a minute to tell us this is just part of a natural cycle.

[Cory1848]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

There will be a climate change denier along in a minute to tell us this is just part of a natural cycle.

I think their numbers are diminishing. My neighbor’s brother died last week of heat stroke -- 59 years old, a rice farmer. Working in his field on a particularly hot day, he felt woozy and sat down, then just collapsed and died. I’ll find out more from my neighbor once she’s gotten over the shock -- whether he had preexisting conditions, what the death certificate said, etc. -- but it gets pretty real when neighbors who make their living working outside start to drop dead …

[soalbundy]

So coming to Thailand in the winter to get some sun (among other things) isn't going to be a priority, watch the tourist numbers fall, in many places in the USA and Europe it's hotter than Thailand. The Brits must be confused.

[digger70]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

There will be a climate change denier along in a minute to tell us this is just part of a natural cycle.

Yep your right,  ????

 

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

heat from the first El Niño - a warming natural weather system - since 2018, says Imperial College London climate science lecturer Dr Paulo Ceppi.

 

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13 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Yep your right,  ????

 

 

Yes. El Nino is a part of a natural weather system. The thing is, though, it's gotten increasingly hot in both El Nino years. 1997-98 hosted a exceptionally strong El Nino. Despite that, at the last nine years have all produced ed hotter average temperatures than that El Nino years.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=Earth's temperature has risen by,0.18° C) per decade.

 

That includes years when La Nina, not El Nino, was in play. Among other things, It  cools the lower atmosphere. La Nina is the ounterpart of El Nino. They're complementary haves of ENSO, the Southern Oscillation System.

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La Niña events have been observed for hundreds of years, and occurred on a regular basis during the early parts of both the 17th and 19th centuries.^[9] Since the start of the 20th century, La Niña events have occurred during the following years:^[10][a]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Niña

[digger70]

Global warming ,The big Greenhouse gas debate .

Its a natural Phenomena. No one can prove it's not  they all have theories but no evidence that can say it's 100% the Humans Fault 

They can give you Statistics & Graphs  but No 100% Proof .

I am Not going to Argue about this or Reply to any  replies as I Fully well know that there will be many that believe the scare mongering BS that's going on. AMEN. 

 

This week, Scott Pruitt, Environmental Protection Agency administrator, who had said that human activity was not the primary contributor to global warming, acknowledged that it plays a role—but stressed the need to figure out exactly how much of one.

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Global warming ,The big Greenhouse gas debate .

Its a natural Phenomena. No one can prove it's not  they all have theories but no evidence that can say it's 100% the Humans Fault 

They can give you Statistics & Graphs  but No 100% Proof .

I am Not going to Argue about this or Reply to any  replies as I Fully well know that there will be many that believe the scare mongering BS that's going on. AMEN. 

 

This week, Scott Pruitt, Environmental Protection Agency administrator, who had said that human activity was not the primary contributor to global warming, acknowledged that it plays a role—but stressed the need to figure out exactly how much of one.

It was demonstrated 150 years ago that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere would increase temperatures. We can accurately measure the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere. Where's the problem here?

[dpcjsr]

Yes, the sky is falling the sky is falling!

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2 hours ago, digger70 said:

Global warming ,The big Greenhouse gas debate .

Its a natural Phenomena. No one can prove it's not  they all have theories but no evidence that can say it's 100% the Humans Fault 

They can give you Statistics & Graphs  but No 100% Proof .

I am Not going to Argue about this or Reply to any  replies as I Fully well know that there will be many that believe the scare mongering BS that's going on. AMEN. 

 

This week, Scott Pruitt, Environmental Protection Agency administrator, who had said that human activity was not the primary contributor to global warming, acknowledged that it plays a role—but stressed the need to figure out exactly how much of one.

What we do know is that climatologists' predictions are repeatedly being borne out by actual evidence. Whereas denialists have to keep on retreating from their previous claims.

 

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

Now a new evaluation of global climate models used to project Earth’s future global average surface temperatures over the past half-century answers that question: most of the models have been quite accurate.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/

 

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2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It was demonstrated 150 years ago that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere would increase temperatures. We can accurately measure the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere. Where's the problem here?

Correct. And the early climate models created almost 50 years ago also got it right even though the computers they were using were primitive in their data digesting power compared to what we have today. In fact, because the infrared trapping properties of various greenhouse gases has long since been been accurately measured in laboratories, it wasn't that difficult to make predictions.

 

Even 50-year-old climate models correctly predicted global warming
Study debunks idea that older models were inaccurate

Climate change doubters have a favorite target: climate models. They claim that computer simulations conducted decades ago didn't accurately predict current warming, so the public should be wary of the predictive power of newer models. Now, the most sweeping evaluation of these older models—some half a century old—shows most of them were indeed accurate.

https://www.science.org/content/article/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming

[swissie]

Even if we could "arrest" the current + 1.5 degree increase, at those temperatures the polar ice/glacierts will keep on melting. The oceans getting warmer/saltier. =The gulf stream slowing, monsoon weather patterns getting more unreliable. Just to name 2 drastic changes.

In many criteria, we have surpassed crucial "pivot points" already. = No return possible.
In mathematics: We are going from "linear" increases to "exponential" increases.

As long as the main CO2 producers (China, India, Russia, US) don't take draconian measures, the efforts of the rest of the world remain exercises in futility.
Sooner than we think, large parts of this globe will become "uninhabitable". = Too hot, no water.  
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THE LACK OF HONESTY: Isn't it time to tell our children, that their life will become increasingly "unpleasant"? Mildly put.

 

[Sametboy2019]

Precession and solar cycles

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Precession and solar cycles

Record heat and extreme weather.

[pomchop]

The deniers are delusional.

 

Does anyone with a lick of common sense seriously think that burning a bunch of dead plants for hundreds of years with millions of smokestacks spewing all kinds of chemicals into the air and millions upon millions more of cars, trucks, buses, motorbikes, ships, airplanes turning the skies over big cities into a clearly visible sludge does not have an impact on the atmosphere?

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9 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Precession and solar cycles

You don't seem to understand that these cycles affect temperatures very gradually and over a very long length of time. Milankovitch,, the discover of these cycles and for whom the cycles are name, estimated that each of these cycles takes about 41,000 years. These cycles do not in any way, shape or form account for the relatively rapid rise in temperatures that Earth is currently experiencing.

"The small changes set in motion by Milankovitch cycles operate separately and together to influence Earth’s climate over very long timespans, leading to larger changes in our climate over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Milankovitch combined the cycles to create a comprehensive mathematical model for calculating differences in solar radiation at various Earth latitudes along with corresponding surface temperatures. The model is sort of like a climate time machine: it can be run backward and forward to examine past and future climate conditions"

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=Precession – As Earth rotates%2C it,the equator%2C affecting its rotation.

 

 

 

[Cory1848]

14 hours ago, digger70 said:

Global warming ,The big Greenhouse gas debate .

Its a natural Phenomena. No one can prove it's not  they all have theories but no evidence that can say it's 100% the Humans Fault 

They can give you Statistics & Graphs  but No 100% Proof .

I am Not going to Argue about this or Reply to any  replies as I Fully well know that there will be many that believe the scare mongering BS that's going on. AMEN. 

 

This week, Scott Pruitt, Environmental Protection Agency administrator, who had said that human activity was not the primary contributor to global warming, acknowledged that it plays a role—but stressed the need to figure out exactly how much of one.

It doesn’t take much internet sleuthing to learn exactly how much money Pruitt rakes in from the fossil fuel industry. Fortunately, for every person of influence like Pruitt who has been purchased by that industry, there are tens of thousands of climate scientists who are neither corrupt nor compromised and who actually know what they’re talking about.

[BenStark]

18 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

but it gets pretty real when neighbors who make their living working outside start to drop dead …

How many of your neighbours have dropped dead so far?

[KhunLA]

15 hours ago, digger70 said:

Global warming ,The big Greenhouse gas debate .

Its a natural Phenomena. No one can prove it's not  they all have theories but no evidence that can say it's 100% the Humans Fault 

They can give you Statistics & Graphs  but No 100% Proof 

????

Edited July 23, 2023 by KhunLA

[RPCVguy]

10 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Precession and solar cycles

Orbital and precession shifts are slow, ... and would currently be cooling the planet. Solar cycles matter, but are not currently dominant is shifting the Earth's temperature balance. What has most affected the planetary energy imbalance, causing a net warming, is greenhouse gas accumulation in the atmosphere. These gases (CO2, CH4 and NO2) are adding to the insulation of the atmosphere.
This graph definitely rebuts the notion that solar cycles are dominant at this time.

What showed up as an abnormality and accumulated after 1900? ... especially in the 2nd half of the 20th Century? CO2 from the combustion of previously sequestered dead plants.

Bloomberg posted an excellent animation that initially was easy to view... it compared all the major factors acting individually, then all but CO2, then all - including CO2. CO2 is definitely the dominant change to the Earth's energy imbalance.
• http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

This is the top link in this freely accessible page
• https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/earthmatters/2016/01/25/four-graphics-and-a-book-that-help-explain-climate-change/

 

[sirineou]

17 hours ago, placeholder said:

hotter average temperatures than that El Nino years.

Hotter than average and record are two different things. 

I am a faster than average runner but I have yet to  brake any records. 

Edited July 23, 2023 by sirineou

[RPCVguy]

30 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Hotter than average and record are two different things. 

I am a faster than average runner but I have yet to  brake any records. 

The planet has been warming rapidly over the past decades, sufficient to be warmer than at any time since the last ice age. Of those recent warm decades, the planet surpassed prior records on July 3rd and has remained in new record territory since then. July 7th is the current record, while July 14th still beat the 2 dates tied for the prior record. the image is a subset of the info at:
• https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/

[pomchop]

Why do so many people seem to want to go out of their way to dig up obscure reports or deep web conspiracy theories to try and "prove" that very well educated scientists world wide who have spent decades studying weather and climate patterns, measuring air particulates, etc apparently are involved in some massive conspiracy to convince people that climate change is some kind of hoax and that humans have little if anything to do with the changes in the ozone layers and atmosphere?

 

Common sense would tell you that the ones who have a giant financial stake in promoting such claims are the PR firms executives and stock holders  that are paid by massive profits by big oil, big coal, industries that of course do not want people to stop burning dead plants?

[Cory1848]

55 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Why do so many people seem to want to go out of their way to dig up obscure reports or deep web conspiracy theories to try and "prove" that very well educated scientists world wide who have spent decades studying weather and climate patterns, measuring air particulates, etc apparently are involved in some massive conspiracy to convince people that climate change is some kind of hoax and that humans have little if anything to do with the changes in the ozone layers and atmosphere?

 

Common sense would tell you that the ones who have a giant financial stake in promoting such claims are the PR firms executives and stock holders  that are paid by massive profits by big oil, big coal, industries that of course do not want people to stop burning dead plants?

It seems that lots of people, illogically, equate concern for the environment with “liberalism,” “woke-ism,” and other bogeymen they have been propagandized into hating and/or fearing. I.e., being open-eyed about climate science and what it actually tells us means that you’re “woke,” which means you favor a “liberal” agenda, which means you’re not a patriot, which means you hate your country, and so on.

 

Of course, as you say, all you have to do is follow the money. As far back as the 1970s, the oil companies knew all about the long-term effects of burning fossil fuels (they undoubtedly had the budget to hire the brainiest scientists) and decided to just bury the results of the research, as profits were more important.

[ThailandRyan]

I guess the massive solar flares and discharge from the Sun must have been caused by Global pollution and Humans.  What are these folks thinking.  The tides ebb and flow and so does the climate and weather just look at the El Nino and La Nina seasons.............

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

One immediate neighbor, and as it turns out he was completely healthy before succumbing to heat stroke. But in 2022, Europe’s hottest year on record (not counting this year yet), 62,000 people died of the heat. Large numbers of deaths are still coming in from this year from various places around the world. And frankly, your callousness and utter lack of regard (I assume you added the laughing emoji to my earlier post about my neighbor dying) are appalling. Goodbye.

They're all here only to troll because they don't have science on their side.

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7 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

I guess the massive solar flares and discharge from the Sun must have been caused by Global pollution and Humans.  What are these folks thinking.  The tides ebb and flow and so does the climate and weather just look at the El Nino and La Nina seasons.............

I'm not sure what your point is here. If you're tying solar activity to climate, scientist did find that there is probably a very weak positive link betwen solar activy and global temperature average. However, given that solar activity was very very low for several solar cycles while global average temperature was rising at an accelerated rate, if anything, that adds to the evidence that greenhouse gases are responsible for global warming.  By the way, that weak positive correlation disappeared in the mid '70s Some other factor had emerged to force the average temperature higher.

[Yellowtail]

Fortunately, the left has been successful in putting an end to free plastic bags, we should see a significant decrease in temperatures soon.