Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[watthong]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Blame that on Rudy Giuliani, he obviously mistimed his attempt at creating an October surprise--plant "evidence" that looks incriminating before the election to throw doubt on one candidate but not so long before the election there is time to discredit it.  Rudy started the laptop story before there was time for reputable news organizations to investigate and report it.  Even the Washington Post wouldn't run with the story without some checks.

 

Too bad Trump didn't have someone to throw the election like FBI Director Comey did in 2016.

Fat chance: Hunter and his laptop only had political currency with the MAGA crowd ie those already in Trump bag. People with grown-up but dependent children would sympathize with Biden, those with brains but no children would not pay attention to this GOP overhyped nonsense. McCarthy trying to impeach Biden on this account is the kind of farces we see these days in the lower house, which has become thoroughly infested with MAGA trolls.
 

[BarraMarra]

Trumps not the only Republican caught with his fingers in the Till so to speak, and covering up official Doccs as you rememember Nixon ( Also Republican ) ordered his stooges to burgle the Watergate offices and remove evidence that was about to impeach him ie Tapes. Once rumbled he made a groveling speach on TV then threw the towel in. Trumps cut from the same cloth as Tricky Dickie.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Trumps not the only Republican caught with his fingers in the Till so to speak, and covering up official Doccs as you rememember Nixon ( Also Republican ) ordered his stooges to burgle the Watergate offices and remove evidence that was about to impeach him ie Tapes. Once rumbled he made a groveling speach on TV then threw the towel in. Trumps cut from the same cloth as Tricky Dickie.

Nixon not even in the same class of criminality as Mr. Trump.

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, watthong said:

You keep reading this thread as an excuse to put down Americans. Your agenda is plain to see as you speak from both sides of your mouth. What grudges do you have, otherwise keep your nose out of it.

I see criticism of Magadonians as criticism of anti-Americans. Decent Americans believe in democracy and the rule of law and don't support insurrectionist dictators. 

[BarraMarra]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nixon not even in the same class of criminality as Mr. Trump.

Your correct Jing Nixon doesn't come close to this Clown. He didn't pay a Hooker off for one or attempt a Coup.

Edited August 5, 2023 by BarraMarra

[watthong]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I see criticism of Magadonians as criticism of anti-Americans. Decent Americans believe in democracy and the rule of law and don't support insurrectionist dictators. 

You need to go further up the thread to see what that one was saying...

[watthong]

16 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

LOL as posted its good comedy plus i love the smell of B/S in the morning when i wake up. Plus i like the way members like you throw your Dummy out when you don't like the Truth or think were stupid enough to believe this Tosh like the Trump fans are on here.

Yeah by the kind of incoherent rubbish you excreted above it seems that smell comes from what you put in your mouth or out of it.

Edited August 5, 2023 by watthong

[xylophone]

11 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

We know what Trump did, you don't need to be a Politician to see what a liar and a cheat he is but there's little point to this thread. All were gonna get is he did this he did that obama did this Hilary did that all we need to know is on the Evidence is he a liar and a cheat and did he incite a Coup by his Actions Yes or No.

I've been following it since the first post and although aspects of it have become a little tedious, I have certainly learned a lot because there are some very learned and intelligent posters on the thread, and those don't include the right wing nut jobs, because I haven't seen a decent post from any one of them.

 

There appear to be posters here who have worked in government departments in the US and certainly know a lot more about how it works than us "mere mortals" do, so I look forward to reading their posts.

 

As another poster has said, if you don't like what you're seeing then don't look at it! 

[Danderman123]

33 minutes ago, James Roderick said:

Are you really saying that it wasn't Hunter Biden's laptop, and all that incriminating information was fake ??  

I am saying that Rudy distributed what he said was a digital copy of the laptop's hard drive, and no one knows if anything in that copy was hacked.

 

Interestingly, nothing on the laptop impacted Joe Biden.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Danderman123

[BarraMarra]

Well you can't soar with the eagles when your flying with Turkeys Wattong.

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[BarraMarra]

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I've been following it since the first post and although aspects of it have become a little tedious, I have certainly learned a lot because there are some very learned and intelligent posters on the thread, and those don't include the right wing nut jobs, because I haven't seen a decent post from any one of them.

 

There appear to be posters here who have worked in government departments in the US and certainly know a lot more about how it works than us "mere mortals" do, so I look forward to reading their posts.

 

As another poster has said, if you don't like what you're seeing then don't look at it! 

There are also people who have the right to free speach if you dont like there comments don't complain about there opinion.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

There are also people who have the right to free speach if you dont like there comments don't complain about there opinion.

And some people who most definitely should not be allowed "free speech"!

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

There are also people who have the right to free speach if you dont like there comments don't complain about there opinion.

Some of those people shouldn't be allowed to breed...........!!

[BarraMarra]

Such As ?

[watthong]

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Such As ?

that your roots are showing, baa-la maa-la.

Edited August 5, 2023 by watthong

[BarraMarra]

Well all I can say to that post is " If you Can't Stand the Heat " you know the rest.

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[GroveHillWanderer]

17 hours ago, bignok said:

No it wasnt. Nothing is proven unless something goes to all courts.

As was already alluded to, the 13 Russian nationals who were indicted based on the findings of the Muller report and charged with interference in the 2016 election could not be brought to court as they were not under US jurisdiction.

 

However, during the Trump administration a Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, in their 1,313-page report issued in July 2019, found that the Russian government had engaged in an extensive campaign to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers.

 

Senate report finds Manafort passed campaign data to Russian intelligence officer

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Well all I can say to that post is " If you Can't Stand the Heat " you know the rest.

It's probably useful that you stay with this thread, as from your own statements, your English vocabulary is clearly in need of expansion at least to 10th Grade level.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

As was already alluded to, the 13 Russian nationals who were indicted based on the findings of the Muller report and charged with interference in the 2016 election could not be brought to court as they were not under US jurisdiction.

 

However, during the Trump administration a Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, in a 1,313-page report issued in July 2019, found that the Russian government had engaged in an extensive campaign to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers.

 

Senate report finds Manafort passed campaign data to Russian intelligence officer

 

More waffle. Yanks vote not foreigners.

[GroveHillWanderer]

Just now, bignok said:

More waffle. Yanks vote not foreigners.

The issue being discussed was Russian interference in the 2016 election. By definition, the people involved in it were foreigners. So your attempted rebuttal makes no sense.

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The issue being discussed was Russian interference in the 2016 election. By definition, the people involved in it were foreigners. So your attempted rebuttal makes no sense.

Nonsense story. No Russian can vote.

[watthong]

Now that Hunter is mentioned, just wondering what Jared, Ivanka, Eric and al are doing. Are they singing?

[watthong]

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

Nonsense story. No Russian can vote.

Kind of early for your shift, ain't it?

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, bignok said:

More waffle. Yanks vote not foreigners.

You are not concerned about Russians influencing US voters?

[watthong]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are not concerned about Russians influencing US voters?

Please excuse him. Couldn't make the distinction between interfering and voting. Brain cells diminishing I guess. Or it's the booze talking...

Edited August 5, 2023 by watthong

[watthong]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump may have "free speeched" himself into some trouble today.

 

Apparently he made a threat, paraphrasing Al Capone.

Another ball lobbed into Garland's court....

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DOJ asks judge to issue protective order after Trump posts apparent threat of revenge

The Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington to step in after he released a post online that appeared to promise revenge on anyone who goes after him...

Prosecutors pointed specifically to a post on Trump's Truth Social platform from earlier Friday in which Trump wrote, in all capital letters, "If you go after me, I'm coming after you!"...

They told the judge that if Trump were to begin posting about grand jury transcripts or other evidence provided by the Justice Department, it could have a "harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/05/1192336975/doj-asks-judge-issue-protective-order-after-trump-post

 

Seriously, why are they concerned that Trump, being the soul of discretion and respecter of boundaries, would use this information to coerce someone who might testify against him?

 

 

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[nauseus]

41 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And some people who most definitely should not be allowed "free speech"!

Spoken like a true Democrat.

[GroveHillWanderer]

25 minutes ago, bignok said:

Nonsense story. No Russian can vote.

I don't know if you realize it, but all you're doing is tacitly admitting that you don't even understand what Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election means.

[Walker88]

One of the more chilling parts of the indictment relates to calls and WH meetings where "Un-indicted Co-Conspirator #4", who can be no one other than jeffrey clarke (see his image below) tried to push a bizarre plan to have DoJ send an official letter to various State officials informing them (lying) that there had been fraud in the election and that State officials could appoint their own Electors, who could vote trump.

 

Clarke had raised this with trump in unauthorized and illegal WH meetings (DoJ officials are not supposed to meet with WH officials nor POTUS unless authorized by the AG). At the time clarke was a DoJ official in charge of environmental matters.

 

Because trump liked clarke's idea of the official letter, he considered appointing clarke as Acting AG, and told him so. clarke told trump he accepted the offer to become Acting AG, and then contacted the actual Acting AG and Deputy AG. clarke, told them trump appointed clarke as Acting AG, but that clarke would decline if the Acting AG and Deputy agreed to send clarke's manufactured official letter. Both men refused.

 

clarke then relayed his plan to the Deputy White House Counsel. Counsel told him "there is no world, there is no option, in which you don't leave the White House on 20 January". Counsel added that if the trump Administration did not leave as required by law, "there would be riots in every major city in the United States", to which clarke responded "Well, [Counsel], that's why there's an Insurrection Act."

 

For those who don't know, the Insurrection act obviates Posse Comitatus Laws and allows a POTUS to put the US Military in the streets to quell protests. clarke, in other words, thought it would be okay to have the US Military gun down Americans who were opposed to the installation of a dictator.

 

All of this is on pages 27-30 of the Indictment.

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by metisdead
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