Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[ozimoron]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Good post. 

The American public are not as gullible as the persecutors think. 

Its obvious that this is politically motivated, they are terrified of there being Biden having a fair contest with Trump. 

Imagine a debate between the two! 

Trump won't debate.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

The one where Trump lost the popular vote?

Yes, what's your point? 

[Davidlong]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:22 AM, Tug said:

It’s about time!hopefulley it’s televised so everyone sees the seriousness of his deeds

It definitely is about time. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, what's your point? 

Only 2 presidents have lost the popular vote in 140 years. Both Republican

[watthong]

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Alleged deeds

My guess you don't own a TV.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Nothing US Troops can't handle. pffft

Could be a good things, average IQ would rise.

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, James Roderick said:

Wouldn't that depend on the substance

of the charges brought against Trump ? On that note, hasn't the man already been tried and acquitted  of some of these charges by the American senate ?  It looks to me like a politically inspired  witch-hunt to remove Trump from the presidential race. If that is the case, then its backfiring because his political support increases every time new charges are brought forward. 

"On that note, hasn't the man already been tried and acquitted  of some of these charges by the American senate ?"

 

Seriously?  You don't know the difference between impeachment and a criminal trial?

[heybruce]

27 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What about the 2016 elections? 

Some democrats have a short memory

I remember a peaceful transfer of power with no one questioning that Trump won the Electoral College.  Quite a contrast with 2020.

[heybruce]

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Good post. 

The American public are not as gullible as the persecutors think. 

Its obvious that this is politically motivated, they are terrified of there being Biden having a fair contest with Trump. 

Imagine a debate between the two! 

The only thing political about this is how carefully the investigation has gone. 

 

Trump called a mob to Washington promising them a wild time, revved them up, told them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell", and at one point used the word "peacefully", though I haven't been able to find it in his long, rambling rant.  That is on top of all the other stuff he's done.

 

Being a cult leader does not put Trump above the law.

[ozimoron]

Just now, heybruce said:

The only thing political about this is how carefully the investigation has gone. 

 

Trump called a mob to Washington promising them a wild time, revved them up, told them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell", and at one point used the word "peacefully", though I haven't been able to find it in his long, rambling rant.  That is on top of all the other stuff he's done.

 

Being a cult leader does not put Trump above the law.

"taking down names and kicking ass" sounds pretty peaceful to me.

[FritsSikkink]

24 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

they are terrified of there being Biden having a fair contest with Trump. 

Imagine a debate between the two! 

They did the last election and Trump lost.

[Berkshire]

31 minutes ago, James Roderick said:

Wouldn't that depend on the substance

of the charges brought against Trump ? On that note, hasn't the man already been tried and acquitted  of some of these charges by the American senate ?  It looks to me like a politically inspired  witch-hunt to remove Trump from the presidential race. If that is the case, then its backfiring because his political support increases every time new charges are brought forward.  

 

 

As someone else just said, you clearly don't know the difference between an impeachment and a criminal trial.  The former is political, the latter legal.  And in fact, GOP minority leader McConnell stated after the senate acquittal that they couldn't impeach a ex-President who's already out-of-office, but that the US criminal justice system would handle the charges.  And here we are.

[James Roderick]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

He paid hush money for banging Stormy Danials true or false. then denied he even knew her He is a liar.

Didn't Bill Clinton do something similar - does the name Lewinski ring a bell!!

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 8/3/2023 at 6:35 AM, Tanlic said:

If anyone thinks this will see the inside of a courtroom in may forget it. This like Russia Russia Russia will end up a nothingburger. His lawyers will delay it until after the 2024 election.

Don't be so sure. The judge in this case has a well-deserved reputation for moving things along extremely quickly. In fact she's already scheduled the first hearing, and so this case will "see the inside of a courtroom" in exactly 24 days -  unless you know something that we don't.  See link below.

 

Trump’s first hearing in election case set for August 28

 

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Former President Donald Trump’s first hearing date in the election interference case is set for August 28, 2023.

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's bizarre how Trump defenders rightly cite the economic consequences of the covid  pandemic when it comes to Trump, but when it comes to Biden it doesn't count.

But it does count. Biden benefitted from the rebound in 2021. 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

All in all, Trump added over $8 Trillion to the national debt during his 4 years in office but how do you explain the $3 Trillion added to the national debt BEFORE Covid?

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

I'll give you a clue: tax cuts for the rich and corporations. 

Easy. That average was about 1T/yr. Same as everyone else recently. Except Joe of course.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

So what you're saying is that "15 now...soon to be 1": was somewhat optimistic, injecting Lysol wasn't an effective solution, UV light shined up the fatuga didn't help, and restricting the movement of PPE to Blue States (Fact) was unwise?

 

Oh, and even before Covid hit, the economy was nothing special relative to any POTUS in 60 years. The Repub tax cut, however, set in motion the greatest increase in National Debt ever, eventually hitting $7,800,000,000,000 in trump's 4 years. That equates to ~$24,000 for every man woman, and child in the US and was the cause of the subsequent inflation. That staggering amount of debt also exceeded by a substantial amount any GDP growth that happened in those trump years (before his Recession), which says ALL GROWTH was merely debt-fueled.

 

If your neighbor maxes out his credit cards buying a new Ford F-150, a new bassboat, and a barbeque pit in his backyard, he might appear flush and successful, but the mailman comes with the bill eventually. trump's GDP was that neighbor...kind of Potemkin growth.

 

Oh, equity market performance under Pres Obama dwarfed anything under trump, as did job growth under both Obama abd Biden. trump's "best economy ever" (sic) was just more of his lies and hyperbole.

 

Incidentally, despite ostensibly being the "Party of Business", no (R) POTUS ever---going all the way back to Lincoln---has NOT presided over the start of a Recession. trump was just the latest in a long line.

 

In his (poorly attended) Inauguration, trump spoke of "American Carnage". It wasn't a look at the past, but was prescient, as that carnage came under his incompetent watch.

To speak politely, I will just use this word to describe your post (above), which is bullshine.

 

Next.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, LosLobo said:

I would suggest that your Trump's political solution for the Covid pandemic, instead of a normal public health response as witnessed in most countries, was 'inhumane' and hundreds of thousands needlessly died.

 

Trump's recession was not only financial.

 

He also promoted a  recession from the truth.

Irrelevant to the post you responded to and also rather one-sided and unfair. 

 

Few countries have strong state laws comparable to the USA. Which country handled Covid well? Really? Who enabled the push for the vaccines? C'mon man.

 

Looks like a busy day.  

 

Next.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's actually worse than that. By continuing to starve the IRS of funds for enforcement, the government was deprived of revenue it was due.

It's actually less but what's a trillion here and there?

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

From the Bureau of Economic Analysis:

 

 

It seems his "best economy ever" is just another of trump's endless lies.

 

Even before Covid hit, the GDP Quaterly change under trump was in the bottom 30% of all Quarters since the end of WWII. AFter Covid hit, he fell into the lowest Quartile.

 

 

Quartile this, quartile that. Before Covid hit GDP quarterly change under Trump was not bottom of all. Covid changed all that.

[scottiejohn]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Which country handled Covid well?

Sweden!

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Only 2 presidents have lost the popular vote in 140 years. Both Republican

Can't you go back a bit more?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

I remember a peaceful transfer of power with no one questioning that Trump won the Electoral College.  Quite a contrast with 2020.

I don't think Hillary was exactly peaceful. ????

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

The only thing political about this is how carefully the investigation has gone. 

 

Trump called a mob to Washington promising them a wild time, revved them up, told them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell", and at one point used the word "peacefully", though I haven't been able to find it in his long, rambling rant.  That is on top of all the other stuff he's done.

 

Being a cult leader does not put Trump above the law.

Most Democrat fans seem have difficulty in finding the "peacefully" word. Strange. 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, James Roderick said:

I would have thought American politicians of all persuasions would be looking for reconciliation and compromise - that's apparently not the case!  

Weren't you chanting "Lock her up" along with Trump?

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Easy. That average was about 1T/yr. Same as everyone else recently. Except Joe of course.

Really? 8 trillion dollars divided by 4 is 1 T/yr? To be fair, it was actually 7.8 trillion. So it was really only 1.95 trillion per year.

[traveller101]

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

 

Quartile this, quartile that. Before Covid hit GDP quarterly change under Trump was not bottom of all. Covid changed all that.

To speak politely, I describe your post above a load of horse manure.

 

Next

[nauseus]

49 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Don't be so sure. The judge in this case has a well-deserved reputation for moving things along extremely quickly. In fact she's already scheduled the first hearing, and so this case will "see the inside of a courtroom" in exactly 24 days -  unless you know something that we don't.  See link below.

 

Trump’s first hearing in election case set for August 28

 

 

He doesn't even need to go then. This will go for years. 

[placeholder]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

But it does count. Biden benefitted from the rebound in 2021. 

Cute. Biden has been pilloried by the right  for the sharp post pandemic rise in inflation. 

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Sweden!

How did Sweden do compared to its Scandinavian neighbors?