Man kills shopkeeper in US state of California after disparaging Pride flag

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

The dispute in question was over a flag.

Not the British flag and not in the UK.

[FruitPudding]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not the British flag and not in the UK.

Nothing gets passed you, does it?

 

What difference does it make if it's a pride flag, British flag, Confederate flag, or Palestine flag?

 

The topic is the same: someone getting killed over a flag.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It demonstrates how something as innocuous as a flag can lead to violence.

 

I would have thought that was obvious.

 

putting aside your attempt to insert some off topic nonsense about a fictional British flag in the UK, we’re you not arguing that LGBTQ+ issues have become vitriolic, offense to certain groups etc

 

If so how have now switched to this flag being ‘innocuous’?

 

 

[JeffersLos]

Flying flags in public that promote ideals, rather then a state or country shouldn't be allowed.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Nothing gets passed you, does it?

 

What difference does it make if it's a pride flag, British flag, Confederate flag, or Palestine flag?

 

The topic is the same: someone getting killed over a flag.

Getting killed over an LGBTQ+ flag.

 

It seems that point got passed you?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JeffersLos said:

Flying flags in public that promote ideals, rather then a state or country shouldn't be allowed.

You do understand the First Amendment?

[FruitPudding]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Getting killed over an LGBTQ+ flag.

 

It seems that point got passed you?

Any flag.

 

What does it matter?

[FruitPudding]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

putting aside your attempt to insert some off topic nonsense about a fictional British flag in the UK, we’re you not arguing that LGBTQ+ issues have become vitriolic, offense to certain groups etc

 

If so how have now switched to this flag being ‘innocuous’?

 

 

I don't think it's off topic to make comparisons to other flags in other countries.

 

It's just a natural course of discussion around this topic.

 

But because it doesn't suit you and you wish to control the discussion to fit your own narrative, you start flagging other posters contributions to the discussion.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Nothing gets passed you, does it?

 

What difference does it make if it's a pride flag, British flag, Confederate flag, or Palestine flag?

 

The topic is the same: someone getting killed over a flag.

Because the topic is about a Pride flag and getting murdered because of it.

 

She also had an American flag with the peace sign outside her store

[FruitPudding]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because the topic is about a Pride flag and getting murdered because of it.

That's an unsubstantiated claim.

 

Has it been proven? Did they find a manifesto?

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

She also had an American flag with the peace sign outside her store

Off topic.

 

We are not allowed to mention other flags here, as you are trying to point out, lol

 

 

Edited August 21, 2023 by FruitPudding

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, FruitPudding said:

That's an unsubstantiated claim.

 

Has it been proven? Did they find a manifesto?

 

Off topic.

 

Hardly off topic, but nice try

[FruitPudding]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not the British flag and not in the UK.

What you are doing is trying to use forum rules to hinder discussion which is relevant to the topic (of being killed over a flag).

 

It's just a clever little tactic.

 

 

 

[FruitPudding]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Hardly off topic, but nice try

But posters here are being told off for talking about any flag besides the rainbow flag....and then you go and mention the American flag with the peace symbol on it.

 

[2long]

Goodness me, this has escalated somewhat, hasn't it?

Can people not just agree to disagree? No one is happy that this poor innocent lady has been murdered in cold blood.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

But posters here are being told off for talking about any flag besides the rainbow flag....and then you go and mention the American flag with the peace symbol on it.

 

lol, its soooo not fair.

 

Of course its on topic to mention the US flag that was flying outside her store along with the Pride flag that she got murdered for. Its totally off topic to start bringing in deflection tactics about the UK or Palestine flags or were they also flying outside her store? Do keep up.

[FruitPudding]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

lol, its soooo not fair.

 

Of course its on topic to mention the US flag that was flying outside her store along with the Pride flag that she got murdered for. Its totally off topic to start bringing in deflection tactics about the UK or Palestine flags or were they also flying outside her store? Do keep up.

Do you think it's okay to be killed for any flag?

 

That is what is being discussed here.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

And who pray tell are whipping up this frenzy of hate towards this tiny minority of people humm……weak politicians who need an easy target because they have no agenda except divisive rhetoric sad rip madam my condolences to her friends and family 

Who?

Fascist demagogues such as DeSantis.

Blood on his sleazy hands.

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

What you are doing is trying to use forum rules to hinder discussion which is relevant to the topic (of being killed over a flag).

 

It's just a clever little tactic.

 

 

 

I’m doing nothing if the sort.

 

I’m calling off topic obfuscation.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Very sad. RIP Mrs Carlton.

 

Unfortunately LGBTQ++ issues have become very politicized and quite vitriolic on both sides of the debate, while also offending various religious groups. I'm sure Mrs Carlton understood this, therefore her decision to firstly to fly the flag and secondly to confront the individual who objected to it was very brave, but perhaps somewhat foolhardy in the current climate. I certainly wouldn't encourage my elderly mother to do so.

 

Strange that there are no details about the killer. No name, no photo. I wonder if his identity doesn't fit the narrative? 

Are you for real?

She has freedom of speech and sexuality.

Various religious groups condemn other people because of their imaginary friend and books written by humans.

Glad the moron who did this is dead now, one bigot less.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Do you think it's okay to be killed for any flag?

 

That is what is being discussed here.

No, tge discussion here is a store keeper being killed for displaying an LGBTQ+ flag.

 

Big hints in the OP.

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Flying flags in public that promote ideals, rather then a state or country shouldn't be allowed.

That's stupid.

[JeffersLos]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's stupid.

There'd be less dead people. Such as the two dead people in the story.  Keep your ideals to yourself. ???? 

Edited August 21, 2023 by JeffersLos

[jvs]

5 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Do you think it's okay to be killed for any flag?

 

That is what is being discussed here.

I don't think she was killed because of her flag,she was killed because some

gun carrying idiot decided he was offended somehow and he felt he needed to damage some one elses property and he ended up using deadly force in defending his point of view.

She would have fed him if he would have asked for food but no he had other issues.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, JeffersLos said:

There'd be less dead people. Such as the two dead people in the story.  Keep your ideals to yourself. ???? 

Freedom of speech. Won't keep it to myself. Flying a pride flag is speech. Stop victim blaming.

 

 

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Very sad. RIP Mrs Carlton.

 

Unfortunately LGBTQ++ issues have become very politicized and quite vitriolic on both sides of the debate, while also offending various religious groups. I'm sure Mrs Carlton understood this, therefore her decision to firstly to fly the flag and secondly to confront the individual who objected to it was very brave, but perhaps somewhat foolhardy in the current climate. I certainly wouldn't encourage my elderly mother to do so.

 

Strange that there are no details about the killer. No name, no photo. I wonder if his identity doesn't fit the narrative? 

"...while also offending various religious groups."

 

Solid research, conducted many times proves that 

gay activity is not mentioned / not criticised in the bible or in any main religious tome. 

 

Credibility of any comments supposedly from the bible are also strongly suspect.

 

I guess many folks have noticed there's now strong doubts that jesus ever existed, strong doubts about virgin birth, rose from the dead after 3 days etc.

 

Further over several thousand years there's never been any verification of bible stories.

 

Yes, I am not a believer. 

[johnnybangkok]

52 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

But you can certainly be attacked for displaying the British flag in Britain. 

You've really excelled yourself in your posts so far but let's take soem of your points one at a time.

 

"But you can certainly be attacked for displaying the British flag in Britain'. 

Didn't happen. I couldn't find one instance of someone in the UK being attacked for flying the Union Jack (excluding N.I.).

 

'Unfortunately LGBTQ++ issues have become very politicized and quite vitriolic on both sides of the debate, while also offending various religious groups'. No they haven't. In America, they have become 'vitrolic' almost exclusively through the GOP (DeSantis in particular) and right wing media. 

 

'.....her decision to firstly to fly the flag and secondly to confront the individual who objected to it was very brave, but perhaps somewhat foolhardy' - this is the very definition of victim blaming.

 

'Strange that there are no details about the killer. No name, no photo. I wonder if his identity doesn't fit the narrative? ' Pure Tucker Carlson there with your inference of 'doesn't fit the narrative'. What narrative would that be then (that we can't already guess)? 

 

'You may be aware but homosexuality is not promoted by various religions (Christianity, Islam etc.).' Irrelevant. It's perfectly legal to fly a rainbow flag in the US so it's the attacker who is completely at fault. 

 

'I am not suggesting she deserved it. Far from it, I think it is a terrible incident and condolences to her family. I am merely stating that people should be aware that by flying their Pride flag or any other flag with potentially divisive political/religious connotations they run the risk (rightly or wrongly) of offending certain people.' 

So what's the solution? Do we all have to kowtow to the religous extremist or the uneducated right wingers who threaten violence rather than dialogue? Should everyone stop expressing their perfectly legal support for a minority group for fear of retribution from some nutter with an agenda? The most divisive flag in the world right now is probably the Stars and Stripes yet I don't see you telling people they 'run the risk of offending certain people' by flying it outside their door. Your whole response smacks of 'well if you're stupid enough to fly a flag in support of the LGBTQ comminity then you kinda only have yourself to blame'. And you're not kidding anyone with your faux pearl clutching whilst you're doing it. 

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Do you think it's okay to be killed for any flag?

 

That is what is being discussed here.

They weren't killed for any flag, they were killed because of having the pride flag outside their store. If you want to discuss murders of people being killed for any other flags, then do so with any other posters who want to engage with you, I'm not one of them, I'll stick to the topic which is:

 

 

Man kills shopkeeper in US state of California after disparaging Pride flag

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

"...while also offending various religious groups."

 

Solid research, conducted many times proves that 

gay activity is not mentioned / not criticised in the bible or in any main religious tome. 

 

Credibility of any comments supposedly from the bible are also strongly suspect.

 

I guess many folks have noticed there's now strong doubts that jesus ever existed, strong doubts about virgin birth, rose from the dead after 3 days etc.

 

Further over several thousand years there's never been any verification of bible stories.

 

Yes, I am not a believer. 

Tacitus makes reference to the execution of Jesus under Pontius Pilate.

 

So there’s one bible story with independent non religious verification.

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[FruitPudding]

38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They weren't killed for any flag, they were killed because of having the pride flag outside their store. 

Only one person was killed, by the way.