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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools


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12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Secular idealism....   what ever happened to simple inclusiveness ?

 

Does it matter if students know what religion another is by looking at them ?

Within a day or two of the first day of school all students will know what religion the others are anyway.

 

This is creating tension where none is necessary.

 

 

Totally agree.

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6 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Did you wear a head covering at school???? Anyway France banned head coverings in about 2004.

Not really a hat person, unless needed.  Though don't think they were banned in school.   Was raised not to wear a hat indoors/under cover.

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16 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Did you wear a head covering at school???? Anyway France banned head coverings in about 2004.

At Ashton-under-Lyne Grammar, ALL boys had to wear the school cap, or get a whack from the Headmaster.

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9 minutes ago, candide said:

 

And the spirit of the law is much older, from a time there were practically no Muslim in France.

Actually, the origin of laicism was to protect Protestants and Jews from the dominance of the Catholic Chruch.

American people cannot understand French laicism because their concept has a different origin. 

The U.S. has been founded by people fleeing religious oppression by European States (usually linked to Catholicism). Hence the U.S. concept: to protect religion from the influence of the State.

France has been one of these countries in which the State was phagocyted by the Catholic religion, and oppressed or did not give equal rights to other religion. Hence the French concept: to protect the State from the influence of religion.

 

It is also broader than just religion. It is also forbidden to mention the race of people in any official document. Actually, It's even forbidden to make any file mentioning race. For example a business selling cosmetics is not allowed to have race mentioned in commercial files.

In the case of employment, the problem in France is that through the name of an applicant employers systematically discriminate against citizens of North African origin, but because of legal blindness this discrimination cannot be addressed. This blindness finds its origin in the laïcité concept.

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41 minutes ago, wombat said:

The more we empower minorities the more they want untill the minority dictate to the majority

And what would you say if in Thailand the Thai's think the same about us farangs ? Such ideas you advocate work both ways.

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8 minutes ago, placnx said:

In the case of employment, the problem in France is that through the name of an applicant employers systematically discriminate against citizens of North African origin, but because of legal blindness this discrimination cannot be addressed. This blindness finds its origin in the laïcité concept.

I don't claim it's perfect.

Having said that, considering the number of people from Northern Africa I see working in banks, education and various businesses, I am not sure it is very acute.

Actually, discrimination may be based on an even more subtle criteria: the address. It seems that living in a "bad" neighborhood is an impediment for getting some jobs.

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