5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

No, Working is defined in the labor law, which is very clear and leaves no room for interpretation. 

Yes, most of them are working illegally.

Look like you keep asking to find somebody to tell you that you can it legally, which you can't they way you like to do it. For a work permit you need either being employed or have your own business.

To get a work permit for while having your own business you need to employ 4 Thai staff for each foreigner you employ, including yourself.

As said above, there is a exemption specifically for seminars/lectures etc.

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Can you give a link to the law where that is stated please.

 

It wasn't issued as primary law. Instead, based on the opinion of the Council of State, the Department Of Employment issued a Notification in March 2015, specifying the following activities would not considered as ‘work’:

 

1. Attendance at meetings, discussions or seminars

2. Attendance at exhibitions or trade exhibitions

3. Visits to observe businesses or to meet for business dialogues

4. Attendance at special lectures and academic lectures

5. Attendance at technical training and seminars

6. Purchasing of goods in trade exhibitions

7. Attendance at board of directors meetings of one’s company

55 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

Where is the definition of "occupation" or "job" then?

Sunbeam, let's make it simple for you, if a Thai can do it, you can't, unless you have got a work permit.......????

2 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

As said above, there is a exemption specifically for seminars/lectures etc.

 

There is an exemption for attending, not for organising, conducting or speaking at the same.

 

Consider foreign musicians and performers who enter Thailand to sing in a concert or act in a play.

 

Such artistes apply for a 15 day urgent work permit which allows them to perform at their concert venue for reward.

I don't care if it's technically illegal as long as it's widely tolerated. Prostitution in Thailand is illegal too, but who cares...

Just now, JoseThailand said:

I don't care if it's technically illegal as long as it's widely tolerated. Prostitution in Thailand is illegal too, but who cares...

Then crack on, but don't come back here complaining, you now have all the info on being caught, being toast, and probably being in a canoe to your birthplace..........????..........................????

1 minute ago, transam said:

Then crack on, but don't come back here complaining, you now have all the info on being caught, being toast, and probably being in a canoe to your birthplace..........????..........................????

Just go with the flow. Sabai sabai. This is Thailand.

14 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

Just go with the flow. Sabai sabai. This is Thailand.

What flow.............?  ????

I would say the answer is dependent upon if or how much you annoy persons who set up functions and advertise on this list:

 

https://phangan.events/

39 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

Just go with the flow. Sabai sabai. This is Thailand.

This is a newbie mistake. People assume that because the lines aren't where they expect them to be they can do what they like - there are lines and if you cross one of THEIR lines you will know about it.

1 hour ago, JoseThailand said:

Can I write my own book? That's 'exerting myself productively'.

No, legally you can not.

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

I'm not going to report anyone. 

Ah, ok.   When is your seminar, then, and what's the subject?

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Where is the definition of "use"?

Where is the definition of "strength"?

Where is the definition of "intention"?

Where is the definition of "other"?

Where is the definition of "definition" (regarding Thai labour laws)?

2 hours ago, Seeall said:

So cancel the us navy donating and helping schools an all the other things.. And fine them

Why?

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

It is work and they need a work permit and the appropriate visa.

Unless they're exempted.  Let's be accurate.

Anybody wanna muddy up the waters by mentioning the companies that exist to "hire" foreigners, charging them a fee to keep them legal (including paying taxes so they can renew their WP each year)?

 

Edit:  I never used one, so I don't claim to have details.  But they seemed to be real popular with digital nomads before Covid.  As I recall, some of them also provided shared workspace.

 

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

They rather brake the law.

How do you know?

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Work is what you do at your job. A job is a place where you work. Any more questions?

"Any more questions?".

Yes, how can a 'place of work' be a 'job', surely it would just be a place of work?  None of my jobs were ever the offices I have worked in.

Any more answers?

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Isn't it clear?

Running a workshop is "work".

The event site would be your "job".

You need to clarify that inane ''definition.  An event site is a place, a location, not a "job".

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Somehow I doubt that anyone running seminars in Phangan has a work permit. 

So what...how can it matter so much to you?

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Somehow I doubt that anyone running seminars in Phangan has a work permit. 

Boycott them, then!

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Is you're plan to report these people about whom you're enquiring?

I'm not going to report anyone.

Maybe this thread is just your sneaky way of reporting them!

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

2 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Somehow I doubt that anyone running seminars in Phangan has a work permit. 

Boycott them, then!

Except that cute one with the red stretch leggings.

 

Thank God Liverpool Lou has come onto the thread and sorted this all out.

49 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Maybe this thread is just your sneaky way of reporting them!

Yep. Just like reporting Pattaya beach prostitutes. Police will be shocked when they find out!

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Any more questions?".

Yes, how can a 'place of work' be a 'job', surely it would just be a place of work?  None of my jobs were ever the offices I have worked in.

Any more answers?

Well, one of the meanings of the word "job" is a location where you work. "I arrived at my job."

2 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

Well, one of the meanings of the word "job" is a location where you work. "I arrived at my job."

Depends on your understanding of the English language!

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

Thank God Liverpool Lou has come onto the thread and sorted this all out.

Much appreciated.  There are a lot of others who are thankful, also.  

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

3 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Can I write my own book? That's 'exerting myself productively'.

No, legally you can not.

How would that be classified as being illegal?

3 hours ago, blackcab said:

There is an exemption for attending, not for organising, conducting or speaking at the same.

Really?  Where is that specifically stated that organising or speaking at is not included in the exemption?