'The Country Was Thriving': Joe Rogan Says That 'More Things Were Getting Done' When Donald Trump Was President — Unemployment Was Down, Regulations Relaxed. Is He Right?

[Danderman123]

Just now, illisdean said:

US registered 16% of global covid deaths despite comprising only 4% of the worlds population. Ya think perhaps the covid death count is a bunch of overstated and fake data! The covid death stats are highly questionable, especially from a country with the standard of health care in US to report statistically improbable covid death rates.

 

 

World of Data

Your conspiracy theory about Covid deaths being over-reported is as crazy as your Trump mindlessness.

 

Care to explain why excess deaths during the pandemic were so high, if not from Covid?

[Danderman123]

Just now, illisdean said:

US registered 16% of global covid deaths despite comprising only 4% of the worlds population. Ya think perhaps the covid death count is a bunch of overstated and fake data! The covid death stats are highly questionable, especially from a country with the standard of health care in US to report statistically improbable covid death rates.

 

 

World of Data

Your conspiracy theory about Covid deaths being over-reported is as crazy as your Trump mindlessness.

 

Care to explain why excess deaths during the pandemic were so high, if not from Covid?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The bottom line is that Trump mishandled the pandemic. He tried lying his way through it, failed at that (although he facilitated the deaths of thousands), then he started blabbering about miracle cures - which had tragic results.

 

 

 

 

The bottom line is that after changing your story so often you don't realize that you're out of excuses.

Edited January 8 by nauseus

[candide]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

I can - you didn't "define" anything.

 

US Covid deaths were "high" mainly because 330 million live there.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

1. I don't see any such ranking in your source

2. Is it relevant to compare the U.S. to countries such as San Marino?

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, illisdean said:

US registered 16% of global covid deaths despite comprising only 4% of the worlds population. Ya think perhaps the covid death count is a bunch of overstated and fake data! The covid death stats are highly questionable, especially from a country with the standard of health care in US to report statistically improbable covid death rates.

 

Also, there have been ~ 1.1M covid deaths registered/reported in US to date, when Trump left office Jan 20, 2021, there were a total of 415,000 deaths attributed to covid and there was NO VACCINE until December 2020. Do the math, and stop the lies and gaslighting BS.

 

World of Data

Lol! The pandemic really started in March 2020. So you are comparing less than one year under Trump's mandate, to nearly 3 years under Biden's mandate

 

You are also forgetting that 2/3 of deaths after the vaccine was introduced were Republicans, because they listened to right-wing anti-vaccine nutters.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

 

The bottom line is that after changing your story so often you don't realize that you're out of excuses.

You are the stuckee trying to put lipstick on the pig that was Trump's catastrophic mishandling of Covid. 

[Danderman123]

Joe Rogan apparently forgot about the body bag shortage under Trump.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are the stuckee trying to put lipstick on the pig that was Trump's catastrophic mishandling of Covid. 

 

You see? You're doing it again!

[candide]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You are the stuckee trying to put lipstick on the pig that was Trump's catastrophic mishandling of Covid. 

Trump has clearly shown he wasn't able to face a major crisis without being self-centered, childish, a liar, and also without being ridiculous.

 

it's just a flu! 

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, candide said:

 

it's just a flu! 

It was a hoax, said so himself.  Why would he lie?

 

[beautifulthailand99]

On 9/23/2023 at 9:00 AM, ozimoron said:

Who gets their information from podcasters and why?

Most of the younger world it would seem mostly banned here so no wonder so many are in the dark.

[LosLobo]

On 9/29/2023 at 11:01 AM, Skipalongcassidy said:

So the democratic lead "January 6th" committee also should not be believed... I believe that there were no objecting republicans allowed to enter the behind closed door event.  Let's follow the evidence on ALL the criminals not just the ones that you deem worthy.

Your 'opinion' is not supported by any evidence to 'follow'.

There were Republican members in the committee and the outcome I suggest would have not just been based on the chairman's decision but the whole of the committee.

As you said the lead was 'democratic', (small 'd').

Perhaps Nany Pelosi rejected McCarthy's selection offer because many may have been involved in the conspiracy.

It would be improper to include co-conspirators in a panel to judge wrong doing, where there may be referrals to the Justice System


GOP lawmakers were ‘intimately involved’ in Jan. 6 protest planning, new report shows | PBS NewsHour

There were many Republicans, who were allowed to attend the event, in fact those 'objecting' were expressly invited.

Some Republicans, such as Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Scott Perry and Andy Biggs, defied subpoenas and criticized the committee.

McCarthy, Trump: The key January 6 witnesses who refused to testify (usatoday.com)

[Hanaguma]

I love reading people spouting off "who is Joe Rogan?" "never heard of him..."

 

If you look at the numbers, he gets 10 million plus listeners every day. That is more than any of the nightly news broadcasts of the big 3 major networks. He has 16 million Youtube subscribers and 3 billion total views.

THAT is who Joe Rogan is. You may not like him, but ignore him at your peril.

Edited January 9 by Hanaguma

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I love reading people spouting off "who is Joe Rogan?" "never heard of him..."

 

If you look at the numbers, he gets 10 million plus listeners every day. That is more than any of the nightly news broadcasts of the big 3 major networks. He has 16 million Youtube subscribers and 3 billion total views.

THAT is who Joe Rogan is. You may not like him, but ignore him at your peril.

 

Sort of like Trump.

 

[Hanaguma]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Sort of like Trump.

 

Yeah, in a way. 

I for some reason have never listened to Rogan, don't like his voice. But I do like long form interview podcasts as a rule. It is a refreshing change from the 7 minute segments that are on the broadcast tv networks.  Bill Maher's can be pretty good if he has the right guest. 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, in a way. 

I for some reason have never listened to Rogan, don't like his voice. But I do like long form interview podcasts as a rule. It is a refreshing change from the 7 minute segments that are on the broadcast tv networks.  Bill Maher's can be pretty good if he has the right guest. 

 

My impression was that he thinks he knows stuff, but that his 'knowledge' is mostly superficial. Or rather, that he puts a way too high value on his own opinions and take, even when they are obviously off. I think of him more as salesperson (again, echos of Trump).

 

While the long form interviews got their merits, not everyone is up for listening that long, especially as conversations often touch upon more than one topic, not all necessarily being of interest. I prefer reading such interviews, saves a whole lot of time.

[candide]

Life was better pre-covid... It seems it's the only economic argument left to the right-wing.....

[Danderman123]

On 1/8/2024 at 11:42 AM, nauseus said:

 

You see? You're doing it again!

Yes. I am doing the contradicting Joe Rogan thing.

 

JR clearly forgot about the Covid epidemic.

[CharlieH]

Reported flame post removed.

[impulse]

On 1/9/2024 at 3:51 PM, candide said:

Life was better pre-covid... It seems it's the only economic argument left to the right-wing.....

 

You may wanna mention that Israelis and Palestinians weren't killing the heck out of each other and neither were the Russkies and the Ukes.  WW3 wasn't in the air in the 3 areas of the world where it currently is.  Illegal immigration was under control (in fact, it was a net negative his last year).  Gas was soooo much cheaper...  All told, life was just better. 

 

That's why Biden's popularity is in the toilet and going lower just about every poll update.

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You may wanna mention that Israelis and Palestinians weren't killing the heck out of each other and neither were the Russkies and the Ukes.  WW3 wasn't in the air in the 3 areas of the world where it currently is.  Illegal immigration was under control (in fact, it was a net negative his last year).  Gas was soooo much cheaper...  All told, life was just better. 

 

That's why Biden's popularity is in the toilet and going lower just about every poll update.

 

So now Biden is responsible for the war in Ukraine and in Gaza! What about the responsibility for the next heavy snow fall? 

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You may wanna mention that Israelis and Palestinians weren't killing the heck out of each other and neither were the Russkies and the Ukes.  WW3 wasn't in the air in the 3 areas of the world where it currently is.  Illegal immigration was under control (in fact, it was a net negative his last year).  Gas was soooo much cheaper...  All told, life was just better. 

 

That's why Biden's popularity is in the toilet and going lower just about every poll update.

 

 

It's highly likely that immigration was falling under Trump because jobs were falling. Then it rose again because a jobs boom arose during Biden's first 3 years. The main driver of illegal immigrants is jobs.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's highly likely that immigration was falling under Trump because jobs were falling. Then it rose again because a jobs boom arose during Biden's first 3 years. The main driver of illegal immigrants is jobs.

It is also likely that it was not suitable to migrate during the pandemic. Potential migrants were on 'wait' mode.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

It is also likely that it was not suitable to migrate during the pandemic. Potential migrants were on 'wait' mode.

 

Yup

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/26/immigrants-in-u-s-experienced-higher-unemployment-in-the-pandemic-but-have-closed-the-gap/

Edited January 10 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

The US Labor Market Explains Most of the Increase in Illegal Immigration

 

Many are blaming President Biden’s immigration policies for the rapid increase in border crosser. My colleague David Bier runs through many of Biden’s policy changes in immigration over the last several years in The New York Times. As Bier mentions in that piece and I wrote over a year ago, most of the increase in illegal immigration can be blamed on the strength of the labor market rather than the administration’s tinkering with border enforcement policies.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/us-labor-market-explains-most-increase-illegal-immigration

 

 

[ozimoron]

This chart shows falling immigration for years now. The republican border crisis is manufactured BS in the long term.

 

Studies confirm that today, the strongest pull for people crossing the border without authorization is the desire to be with family in the U.S. Stepped-up border security may make it more difficult and dangerous for people to successfully cross the border, but research has found that criminalizing unauthorized entry into the U.S. does not deter those fleeing violence, and may only delay those seeking to reunite with family.

 

And that means issues such as violence in Central America will likely become even more relevant drivers of unauthorized immigration, shaping who arrives at the U.S. border and how America responds.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs

Edited January 10 by ozimoron

[impulse]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The US Labor Market Explains Most of the Increase in Illegal Immigration

 

Catch and release explains the increase in illegal immigration under Biden.  

 

[impulse]

9 hours ago, candide said:

So now Biden is responsible for the war in Ukraine and in Gaza! What about the responsibility for the next heavy snow fall? 

 

No, but he sure didn't convince them not to, like the Bad Orange Man did.

 

But there were those mean tweets...  Sooooo much worse than hundreds of thousands dead.

 

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's highly likely that immigration was falling under Trump because jobs were falling. Then it rose again because a jobs boom arose during Biden's first 3 years. The main driver of illegal immigrants is jobs.

If what you say is true then why are cities like New York and Chicago crying uncle over the buses with migrants? They should be so happy to have folks to fill all the important job vacancies.

[illisdean]

50 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

If what you say is true then why are cities like New York and Chicago crying uncle over the buses with migrants? They should be so happy to have folks to fill all the important job vacancies.

These blue states can't afford the social /humanitarian costs associated with the Biden border insurrection and are feeling it now. Shouldn't voted for Biden who's great a creating one crisis after another in his destruction campaign of America. Trump NEVER pulled any Biden boner moves like this. Add the Biden's border border and immigration humanitarian crisis to his pathetic legacy. I'm sure Chicago and NYC truly appreciate Biden now. LOL.

 

NYC mayor loves the impaction of Biden's border insurrection

Edited January 11 by illisdean