New public health minister walks back ‘recreational’ cannabis

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, mrfill said:

Except of course the UK, which reduced its category from B to C in 2004 and then reversed it back in 2009.

The current Home Secretary, Sue-Ellen Braverman is understood to want to increase it again to category A (7 yrs max for possession), but then she is too busy fighting her own acute incompetence and blaming others right now.

I would love to see Braverman facing a charge for crimes against humanity. Lock her up. 

[KannikaP]

36 minutes ago, Crossy said:

And we did back in 72!

[1duckyboy]

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

They make getting the prescriptions easy peasey in which case the shops can all stay open and fight each other for market share.

 

As you say, no regular pot user will stop, maybe they can't stop...

This is exactly how its done in California. Most California physicians recognize marijuana's medicinal value and will give a prescription to a patient. The patient then gets a card allowing them to buy and possess marijuana. Because marijuana is still a controlled substance, dispensaries have to be licensed and their number and locations are controlled by state and local governments. There is not a proliferation of weed dispensaries and those that exist are low profile, as befitting a pharmacy/chemist. 

[cncltd1973]

just when I thought Thailand was pioneering the way. so violent people can drink liquor (a processed substance) without a medical license but peaceful people can't consume a naturally occurring herb without a license? seems completely backwards to me no matter how often the politicians explain it

[roger101]

Why don't they just regulate it the same as booze. No sales in the morning, stop again at 2 and definitely no sales to young people .After all that's what our efficient police force is for!

[Sigmund]

When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

 

Normal social drinking now and then with due moderation is great but that's not what the point is here.

 

Tackle the drinking issues first in Thailand as there are far to many young and old drunks, local or farangs,  all over the place.

 

Drink alters judgement and makes the drunks agressive individuals. Any age group, nationality  or social status would be concerned by people destroying their lives and making life hell for others due to their excessive consumption.

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Sigmund

[Datsun 1200]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Unfortunately Anutin did NOT make it perfectly clear or when it was passed the wording would have been included.

 

IMO he left it like that as the BJP expected to win the election and he expected to be re-nominated as health minister.

 

It is not as if he did not have enough time to do the job properly either.

Almost all of the Cannabis Shops have a license, it was issued in good faith by Govt and many invested heavily. They will need to be compensated, but more likely it will never be illegal again. That ship has sailed 18 months ago. Totally unfair for legal Cannabis shop which 95% are licensed

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The government are responsible for this current debacle.

 

Their incompetence and mismanagement of this issue, if it causes business and people to lose money, is directly attributable to their actions, thus they should be held accountable. 

Please tells all how the previous government are responsible for this current debacle.

 

I don't remember ANY cannabis shop being FORCED to open by the previous government, nor in fact by the current government.

 

The owners willingly spent their own money to open their shops and make money despite Anutin stating that the cannabis was for medical use only, and NOT for recreational use.

 

So please tell us all, why YOU believe that the government should pay for business losses.

 

If you are in business you take the profit and absorb the loss. If you can't take the loss then you shouldn't be in the business.

[redwood1]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Please tells all how the previous government are responsible for this current debacle.

 

I don't remember ANY cannabis shop being FORCED to open by the previous government, nor in fact by the current government.

 

The owners willingly spent their own money to open their shops and make money despite Anutin stating that the cannabis was for medical use only, and NOT for recreational use.

 

So please tell us all, why YOU believe that the government should pay for business losses.

 

If you are in business you take the profit and absorb the loss. If you can't take the loss then you shouldn't be in the business.

Because the goverment gave out licences to weed shops......And the goverment needs to pay out big if they want the shops closed...

[still kicking]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Pot should be legal worldwide. It harms nobody, unless you count poor memory and lack of ambition as great offenses against the nation.
Illegal by who's definition? A corrupt, illegal government that is completely out of step with a changing world? Pot does little harm to anyone. The biggest risk is the the user will lose his ambition. Compared to alcohol the detriment to society is minuscule. Only completely backwards, and morally bankrupt officials continue to pursue these draconian convictions.

 

The only reason why ganga will become illegal in Thailand again, is to hand back the multi billion baht franchise to the RTP. That is it. It ends there. This has nothing whatsoever to do with morality or character development, mental health, nor the few kids who end up smoking too much. So what?

 

And to lump a pot smoker into the same category as a heroin addict is just plain old ridiculous and ignorant of the facts.

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

[Gottfrid]

11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Why should they? The weed shops knew Recreational use was not intended and their business is probably 100% recreational sales.

 

You may take advantage of a loophole, but you don't bet the farm on it.

That´s 100%

[Bday Prang]

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yet he said in June 2022 as he legalised it...

 

"Thai Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said he expected legal cannabis production to boost the economy but cautioned that recreational use of the drug remains illegal.

“It’s a no,” said Anutin, who is also a deputy prime minister. “We still have regulations under the law that control the consumption, smoking or use of cannabis products in non-productive ways.”"

             You appear to be totally obsessed, over what you think Anutin may have said at some time, Not a single thread on this matter exists without you repeatedly bleating on and on  about " but but Anutin said..."  can you not even begin to understand that what he may or may not have  said is as  irrelevant to everybody else  as your personal beliefs .

            What is relevant, to people who actually use cannabis, is  the way in which any laws which actually exist are actually implemented in practice, and bearing in mind that cannabis users, have, by necessity kept themselves well informed regarding this, where ever they may live. So you can rest assured they will be at least as well informed as you regarding the practicalities of smoking cannabis and know exactly what they can and cannot get away with

             You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time scouring the internet looking for any negative news clippings or "scientific" reports relating to cannabis which you then proudly cut and paste in to your rants with almost a religious conviction as to their authenticity.

             Now you have latched on to "cannabis use disorder" as a tool of your crusade, but  had you even bothered to read the "official" description of this mythical condition, you could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment.   It is completely made up rubbish, made up by people like you,  people who get their panties in a bunch regarding cannabis, despite having little to no personal experience, that's why you find it so easy to believe this rubbish, because its dreamed up and written especially for you

              Oh and now you have decided to share with us , at exactly what age the human brain reaches full development.... 24  and 26 according to your experts and presumably not a day earlier eh ?,   Well two things in that assertion don't sit well with me 

               Firstly it is impossible to put such a finite figure on such a  matter, secondly if this "fact " is so well and "irrefutably" established, how come I have never heard it mentioned in connection with any other substance abuse or activity that may negatively affect a developing brain? Then again I don't spend a disproportionate amount of my time scouring the internet, looking for reasons to stop grown adults doing things that i don't like

                As somebody has already said in a previous comment regarding your incessant whingeing , this is the cannabis forum and your constant unfounded attempts at scaremongering are not welcome here.   You should do your trolling elsewhere 

             

Edited September 27, 2023 by Bday Prang

[Bday Prang]

47 minutes ago, still kicking said:

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

drugs.com  lol are you having a laugh?   If any of these agenda driven anti drugs sites ever mentioned one positive effect of taking drugs Ie that they might just make one  "feel good" ( if only temporarily) they might achieve some credibility, but as they basically only repeat the same scaremongering lies, they are a complete waste of space 

When somebody is told constantly that taking drugs will only cause one to feel bad and they then go on to  actually take some drugs and actually  start to feel quite good How will that person then respond to further advice from similar sources once they know that the information they are receiving is total rubbish They will disregard it of course, (if they have any sense)

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, still kicking said:

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

I challenge anybody to read the list of "side effects" there with out laughing, You should stop insulting peoples intelligence by linking to rubbish like that

[Trippy]

5 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

This is exactly how its done in California. Most California physicians recognize marijuana's medicinal value and will give a prescription to a patient. The patient then gets a card allowing them to buy and possess marijuana. Because marijuana is still a controlled substance, dispensaries have to be licensed and their number and locations are controlled by state and local governments. There is not a proliferation of weed dispensaries and those that exist are low profile, as befitting a pharmacy/chemist. 

Your info is a little out of date. California has had full recreational weed sales for over 5 years.

[Bday Prang]

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Why should the government pay up?  Anutin said recreational use was forbidden, so the weed shops build their whole business model with an incredible threat hanging over them, they made a risky decision and it looks like it won't pay off.  No sensible businessman would have opened a weed shop with Anutin's warning, it should have stopped at the SWOT analysis in the business planning stage.

  There you go again,,,," but but but Anutin said,,,,"   as I explained before, it doesn't matter what he said. The words that came out of his mouth are one thing, what gets written in the statute book is another, and how the laws are implemented is a another factor, your views don't come into it, thankfully

            But turning things round a bit, if this whole issue was surrounding a U turn over the recent  proposals to derestrict artisan beers, forcing small micro breweries to pour thousands of gallons of premium artisan ale down the drain. I would bet a weeks wages that you, like all the other  hypocrites  would soon find some sympathy for those affected and would  be complaining how unfair it all was 

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Sigmund said:

When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

 

Normal social drinking now and then with due moderation is great but that's not what the point is here.

 

Tackle the drinking issues first in Thailand as there are far to many young and old drunks, local or farangs,  all over the place.

 

Drink alters judgement and makes the drunks agressive individuals. Any age group, nationality  or social status would be concerned by people destroying their lives and making life hell for others due to their excessive consumption.

 

Sadly for you drinking is not illegal, I suggest you start a new thread on here promoting prohibition,  good luck

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, still kicking said:

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

Why do people post links to rubbish like that site (drugs . com) look at some of the cr@p they publish -:

 

"possibly"..."possibly associated with some cancers such as testicular cancer"   really?   Nothing to do with the fact that testicular cancer might be a real concern to the young men who just happen to be the target of this "advice" yet links to other cancers are unclear,. more unclear than "possibly associated" which probably means non existent .

 

May cause a "mood disorder"  what does that even mean? reading that rubbish would cause anybody to experience a mood disorder

 

Some respiratory problems,, Ok maybe, but after how many hundreds or thousands of joints?

 

Gastrointestinal issues, none of which would lead to the production of b/s like this list

 

looks like tiredness, drowsiness and fatigue all require a seperate listing in an attempt to bulk the list out a bit

 

and hidden in the middle of this rubbish "a false feeling of wellbeing"     its not a false feeling its a real feeling. and, eventually, "getting high" just to put all the non indulgers straight,  a feeling of well being and getting high are NOT considered as "side effects" by any users anywhere. They are the desired intentional primary effects

 

Finally has any body anywhere ever experienced the "facial flushing" referred to in the link?   somehow I doubt it very much  but i can think of one who posts extensively on this subject who will claim to have tried many "addicts" in court exhibiting such damning physical evidence

[hotchilli]

14 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yet he said in June 2022 as he legalised it...

 

"Thai Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said he expected legal cannabis production to boost the economy but cautioned that recreational use of the drug remains illegal.

“It’s a no,” said Anutin, who is also a deputy prime minister. “We still have regulations under the law that control the consumption, smoking or use of cannabis products in non-productive ways.”"

That's what he said, but made no moves to stop it.

[Jingthing]

I suppose recreational cannabis is competition to the liquor elite here. Can't be having competition, can we? 

[quake]

Oh no, It's all going to pot. 

[JayClay]

9 hours ago, Sigmund said:

When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

So you want to disuade people from drinking booze because they become horrible? Then you want to take away an alternative to booze because it makes them "zombies or jerks"?

 

I would argue that booze is more likely to make somebody act like a jerk. And to me a zombie is far more preferable than a horrible jerk. So what exactly is the justification for banning weed on the basis that people act shirtty when drinking? I'm really struggling to follow the logic.

 

Unless you just like banning any drug that people enjoy. In which case I hope caffeine is on your list of targets?

[mrfill]

Over the last year there have been very few stories about cannabis incidents except for the usual shock horror nonsense ones. Society hasn't collapsed, the people seem generally not that bothered and life has continued as normally as one might expect. So why suddenly is there this weird all-out campaign to ban something which has done very little harm, if any and which has possibly even been beneficial for a lot of people, both mentally and financially?

It just doesn't make any sense.

[HaoleBoy]

13 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

You can't say pot harms nobody, it harms some people predisposed towards mental illness.  It harms developing brains.

 

We got your drift ... you don't like rec. weed.  Move on and let it go you are part of a small minority spouting your ignorant views.

 

Several of the shops I know have already got a Med. Dr onboard and display their medical certificate.  The shop owners saw this coming before this new gov and got ready for.  If the law passes then they will just have to pay the RTP and will continue to sell recreational or give a medical prescription on-site before selling their product.

[redwood1]

4 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Over the last year there have been very few stories about cannabis incidents except for the usual shock horror nonsense ones. Society hasn't collapsed, the people seem generally not that bothered and life has continued as normally as one might expect. So why suddenly is there this weird all-out campaign to ban something which has done very little harm, if any and which has possibly even been beneficial for a lot of people, both mentally and financially?

It just doesn't make any sense.

Well the truth is weed is really pretty bad for youth.....But youth get weed legal or not....So this excuse will not fly.....

 

I think the crackdown has to do with politicians just showing they can do something.....With no observation or thought behind it..

[impulse]

12 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

This is exactly how its done in California. Most California physicians recognize marijuana's medicinal value and will give a prescription to a patient. The patient then gets a card allowing them to buy and possess marijuana. Because marijuana is still a controlled substance, dispensaries have to be licensed and their number and locations are controlled by state and local governments. There is not a proliferation of weed dispensaries and those that exist are low profile, as befitting a pharmacy/chemist. 

That's the touchy feely part of the story. 

 

The other part is about the cartels who now control huge swathes of California and Oregon land, illegally growing weed.  Taking over entire counties, stealing scarce irrigation water, trafficking illegal indentured labor...  Outgunning and outnumbering local law enforcement who have basically decided it's not worth getting killed over a deadly game of whack-a-mole.

 

[impulse]

21 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I think the crackdown has to do with politicians just showing they can do something.....With no observation or thought behind it..

I think somebody smells the money. 

 

I'm forecasting weed in Thailand to go the same way as cigs and beer.  Eventually, all weed for sale will have to come with a certificate of origin (commonly referred to as a tax stamp), and one or two families will control all the weed grown for sale.   Because they'll be the only ones who can buy the tax stamps.

 

They may still allow families to grow a few plants, as long as they're not for sale to the public.

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by impulse

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, still kicking said:

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

Loss of memory. Loss of ambition. 

 

What are the side effects of alcohol? Cirrhosis of the liver. Heart problems. Lung issues. Brain damage. Killing people on the roads. Shall I go on? 

[JBChiangRai]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Loss of memory. Loss of ambition. 

 

What are the side effects of alcohol? Cirrhosis of the liver. Heart problems. Lung issues. Brain damage. Killing people on the roads. Shall I go on? 

So that makes marijuana ok then?

 

Marijuana might have a few more problems.....

 

Approximately 1 in 10 people who use marijuana will become addicted. When they start before age 18, the rate of addiction rises to 1 in 6.

Marijuana Risks

Marijuana use can have negative and long-term effects:

Brain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age. These IQ points do not come back, even after quitting marijuana.

Mental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.

Athletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.

Driving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.

Baby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction, premature birth, stillbirth, and problems with brain development, resulting in hyperactivity and poor cognitive function. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other chemicals from marijuana can also be passed from a mother to her baby through breast milk, further impacting a child’s healthy development.

Daily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.

 

Know the Negative Effects and Risks of Marijuana Use | SAMHSA

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

So that makes marijuana ok then?

 

Marijuana might have a few more problems.....

 

Approximately 1 in 10 people who use marijuana will become addicted. When they start before age 18, the rate of addiction rises to 1 in 6.

Marijuana Risks

Marijuana use can have negative and long-term effects:

Brain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age. These IQ points do not come back, even after quitting marijuana.

Mental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.

Athletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.

Driving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.

Baby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction, premature birth, stillbirth, and problems with brain development, resulting in hyperactivity and poor cognitive function. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other chemicals from marijuana can also be passed from a mother to her baby through breast milk, further impacting a child’s healthy development.

Daily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.

 

Know the Negative Effects and Risks of Marijuana Use | SAMHSA

Obviously a very conservative organization that put that one together! There are some effects, no doubt. All drugs have some effects. But, this study over exaggerates to a reefer madness degree. 

 

And sometimes the loss of IQ points is a plus. Some of the most disturbed people I have ever known, are some of the most brilliant. 

 

As they as fond of saying here, don't think so much.