Popular Post Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 Just now, Hanaguma said: Depends on what you mean by "win". Give him a couple chunks of eastern Ukraine? Sure, no problem, as long as guarantees are put in place to recognize the terrirorial integrity of the remainder. The more the west faffs about, the more he will try to go for the big win, and conquer the entire country. How do you see a "win" for Ukraine? And you trust Putin's "guarantees"? Like Prigozhen did? Nobody in the real world is that stupid. Ukraine is going to grind up Putin's army until it is no longer a threat. That will be Ukrainian victory. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, billd766 said: You don't like the truth? What you think is "the truth"? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: You don't seem to understand what a marginal tax rate is. Should the wealthy pay more tax ? (Wealthy being anyone who receives over 20 000 Baht per month ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJ2U Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 11:44 AM, Hanaguma said: Sounds reasonable. Spending more money on Ukraine should be part of a separate bill, not the general government spending one. Let Congress debate openly about whether or not to add $6 billion to the national debt for that conflict. No reason for the US to pay the salaries of first responders and the like in another country. Definitely don't want Russia taking control of the "breadbasket" of Europe. Try to wrap your head around that and not persuaded by idiot Right Wing nutcases. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Depends on what you mean by "win". Give him a couple chunks of eastern Ukraine? Sure, no problem, as long as guarantees are put in place to recognize the terrirorial integrity of the remainder. The more the west faffs about, the more he will try to go for the big win, and conquer the entire country. How do you see a "win" for Ukraine? The Budapest Memorandum signed by US, UK and Russia in 1994 already gave Ukraine ''guarantees..... to recognize the terrirorial (sic) integrity' of Ukraine and also to protect its sovereignty. Note, the US also signed the agreement. The Breach: Ukraine’s Territorial Integrity and the Budapest Memorandum Edited September 30, 2023 by LosLobo 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Definitely don't want Russia taking control of the "breadbasket" of Europe. Try to wrap your head around that and not persuaded by idiot Right Wing nutcases. Scare mongering there , suggesting that Russia will starve Europe to death if they win in Ukraine . Russia has more right to the Ukraine than European Countries do , Ukraine is Russia "breadbasket" its not Europeans breadbasket 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: Scare mongering there , suggesting that Russia will starve Europe to death if they win in Ukraine . Russia has more right to the Ukraine than European Countries do , Ukraine is Russia "breadbasket" its not Europeans breadbasket Russia has no right to Ukraine. Period. 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 20 hours ago, KhunLA said: Stated more than a few times, I would cut all foreign aid, and bring all military back to US soil & waters. Stop playing world police force & corporate security. Billion $$$ can pay for their own security. 31+ Trillion $$$ debt, can't pay own bills, and giving sh!t away. Can't fix stupid 100% agree. Fix your own backyard first before digging up others. Basic life advice. If you do a deal with Ukraine you lease them arms which they have to pay for over time. You don't spend a dime or send troops. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJ2U Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Scare mongering there , suggesting that Russia will starve Europe to death if they win in Ukraine . Russia has more right to the Ukraine than European Countries do , Ukraine is Russia "breadbasket" its not Europeans breadbasket Another nutcase. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: No, I don't. I guess you missed borrowing to finance the Gulf wars, 10 ish year, and bank/market bailout. Thank you Bush & Obama. 5T to 20T $$$$, I don't thing the tax cuts would have made up the amount. Sending with no way to pay. Maybe you missed this: Stupid US should be debt free and rich with all its companies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Danderman123 said: And you trust Putin's "guarantees"? Like Prigozhen did? Nobody in the real world is that stupid. Ukraine is going to grind up Putin's army until it is no longer a threat. That will be Ukrainian victory. Can you be a bit more specific as to whay constitutes "victory"? Does it include a full return to the pre-war borders? Does it include the return of the Crimea? You are sadly guilty of what many supporters of the war also do- make vague proclamations and gaslight anyone who disagrees as a Putin puppet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Another nutcase. Another simplistic reply . "Anyone who I disagree with is a nut case " 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Definitely don't want Russia taking control of the "breadbasket" of Europe. Try to wrap your head around that and not persuaded by idiot Right Wing nutcases. Another nut case who still thinks Russia wants to rule the World 1 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Scare mongering there , suggesting that Russia will starve Europe to death if they win in Ukraine . Russia has more right to the Ukraine than European Countries do , Ukraine is Russia "breadbasket" its not Europeans breadbasket Neither European countries nor Russia have any right to Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine or other countries are not attracted by Russia is only Russia's fault. And in particular the current backward incompetent leader who has been unable to develop the economy of his country, and provide wellbeing to his citizen. Russia has no soft power. No country wants to be dependent on Russia, unless it is ruled by an autocrat, such as in Belarus. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Why can't they take the money direct from the defence force budget? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BE88 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, MrJ2U said: Definitely don't want Russia taking control of the "breadbasket" of Europe. Try to wrap your head around that and not persuaded by idiot Right Wing nutcases. Why ? You have land in Ukraine or action company ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Can you be a bit more specific as to whay constitutes "victory"? Does it include a full return to the pre-war borders? Does it include the return of the Crimea? You are sadly guilty of what many supporters of the war also do- make vague proclamations and gaslight anyone who disagrees as a Putin puppet. Yes. Ukraine returns to its internationally recognized borders. Putin will lose, I am so sorry for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, BE88 said: Why ? You have land in Ukraine or action company ? It is not a good thing when countries grab land from other countries by force. Hitler did that in WWII, eventually he lost. Putin will lose, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Another nut case who still thinks Russia wants to rule the World No, Putin would be content re-establishing the USSR, and having control over Eastern Europe. Would it make you happy if he were successful? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 8 hours ago, heybruce said: Do a little research on Japan's Tokugawa shogunate period and China's Edict of Haijin. Both were led to periods of enforce isolation, neither ended well. Or simply give a modern example of a prosperous nation that isolates itself from the world and reality. These guys aren't interested in facts or history. All they know is their internet friends tell them money for Ukraine is bad, and Putin wants peace. They don't understand that some of their internet friends are in Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: These guys aren't interested in facts or history. All they know is their internet friends tell them money for Ukraine is bad, and Putin wants peace. They don't understand that some of their internet friends are in Russia. I do think that the Western money being given to Ukraine could be better spent at home, rather than giving the money to Ukraine and its a squabble between Russia and Ukraine and I don't think that Putin is going to move on to other Countries after Ukraine 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 hours ago, FruitPudding said: What you think is "the truth"? It certainly isn't the same as yours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Can you be a bit more specific as to whay constitutes "victory"? Does it include a full return to the pre-war borders? Does it include the return of the Crimea? You are sadly guilty of what many supporters of the war also do- make vague proclamations and gaslight anyone who disagrees as a Putin puppet. I am curious why you have asked 'Does it include the return of the Crimea?' Obviously, the 'full return to pre-war borders' includes Crimea as it does all of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: I do think that the Western money being given to Ukraine could be better spent at home, rather than giving the money to Ukraine and its a squabble between Russia and Ukraine and I don't think that Putin is going to move on to other Countries after Ukraine "I don't think that Putin is going to move on to other Countries after Ukraine" You haven't paid much attention to what Putin has been saying and doing, have you? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: I do think that the Western money being given to Ukraine could be better spent at home, rather than giving the money to Ukraine and its a squabble between Russia and Ukraine and I don't think that Putin is going to move on to other Countries after Ukraine Its pretty obvious you don't understand the nature of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 11 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Can you be a bit more specific as to whay constitutes "victory"? Does it include a full return to the pre-war borders? Does it include the return of the Crimea? You are sadly guilty of what many supporters of the war also do- make vague proclamations and gaslight anyone who disagrees as a Putin puppet. There are no supporters of the war. There are people though saying 'russia took part of Ukraine and tried to take the whole country, I don't care, let them have whatever part of Europe they want '. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted September 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2023 Shutdown averted for the moment. Properly thinking people got together. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 12 hours ago, MrJ2U said: 12 hours ago, MrJ2U said: Definitely don't want Russia taking control of the "breadbasket" of Europe. And exactly why isn't Europe doing something about it? You all bitch and moan that the USA throws it's power around too much... but now that you need our help... once again... you want our dollars and support. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, stevenl said: Shutdown averted for the moment. Properly thinking people got together. Why is running one of the biggest budgets in the world always last minute and an emergency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Skipalongcassidy said: And exactly why isn't Europe doing something about it? You all bitch and moan that the USA throws it's power around too much... but now that you need our help... once again... you want our dollars and support. Europe is funding Ukraine's effort to repel Russian invaders. They are sending weapons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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