Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Win Nobel Prize for Medicine 2023

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Such wit! I'm checkmated.

A queen sneaking up the outside rank. A chess term.

[watthong]

As long as covid is still with us, any update on covid postings is always a welcome reminder to us with sane mind and a desire to keep the human race alive and well... Unfortunately, it irks those with delusions on theirs, brought on by god know what, who are determined to be blinded to science and subsequently have adverse reaction to any mention of vaccines/mrna - like vampires to holy water (sorry for keeping going back to the same metaphor, blame it on Hammer Studios.) 

 

As mod has mentioned earlier, there's plenty of places for those folks to go get their chip of their shoulders. The problem is the insane ones usually think they are the smartest (one adverse effect of being deluded.) Let me be kind and turn in another metaphor, anyone can walk down a public road, however, it's not ok to dump your trash everywhere along the way (that is providing one still has the ability to distinguish what stinks and what doesn't.)

[rattlesnake]

35 minutes ago, watthong said:

For the sake of anyone's supposedly non-lacking "sincerity and intellect," "anti-vax" is not a derogatory term by any means, Such sentiment is rather in the "eye of the beholder."  It might be divisive by its nature, but not demeaning or degrading. Other examples: "communists" (vs "socialists") or "republicans" (vs "democrats" for us Yanks) - and in this case, "anti-vaxxers" (vs "vaxxers," if there is such a thing.)

It is important, though, to distinguish the signifier and the signified, i.e. understand the difference between a term's literal meaning and what it actually conveys.

 

Yes, "antivaxxer" is generally a derogatory term with associated stigma. In the collective mind, this term brings to mind ideas of psychological and even mental illness, along with other less than desirable traits and attributes. These associations were fabricated over time using very effective means of communication and influence.

 

But to end on a more positive note, it seems this Overton window is shifting rapidly, and the Covid years were pivotal in this respect.

[rattlesnake]

5 minutes ago, watthong said:

As long as covid is still with us, any update on covid postings is always a welcome reminder to us with sane mind and a desire to keep the human race alive and well... Unfortunately, it irks those with delusions on theirs, brought on by god know what, who are determined to be blinded to science and subsequently have adverse reaction to any mention of vaccines/mrna - like vampires to holy water (sorry for keeping going back to the same metaphor, blame it on Hammer Studios.) 

 

As mod has mentioned earlier, there's plenty of places for those folks to go get their chip of their shoulders. The problem is the insane ones usually think they are the smartest (one adverse effect of being deluded.) Let me be kind and turn in another metaphor, anyone can walk down a public road, however, it's not ok to dump your trash everywhere along the way (that is providing one still has the ability to distinguish what stinks and what doesn't.)

"The problem is the insane ones…"

 

As long as you don't break free of that mindset which leads you to systematically attack the opposing party's mental abilities, your relevance will remain extremely limited.

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

Ah, I see you are in the same camp as the "owl", and as for your comment about "most people wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole any more", well many millions have, and many millions will continue to do so, more so when the mRNA technology leads to treatments and cures for cancer and other incurable diseases.

 

Are you also a supporter of the "America's Frontline Doctors", the discredited anti-vax mob, or perhaps believe in ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine "treatments", or perhaps you believe the 2020 USA election was stolen?? Whichever one, you fit nicely into the conspiracy theory numb nuts, and I for one am so pleased that this breakthrough has been made, which will surely benefit all the human race in years to come – – even you perhaps!

[xylophone]

29 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"The problem is the insane ones…"

 

As long as you don't break free of that mindset which leads you to systematically attack the opposing party's mental abilities, your relevance will remain extremely limited.

That works both ways, because as long as you don't break free of that mindset which leads you to question and denigrate proven science, and the positive results thereof, with millions of lives saved, you leave yourself open for people to attack your mental abilities, and therefore your relevance will be extremely limited, as indeed we have seen here.

Touche.

[rattlesnake]

9 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Ah, I see you are in the same camp as the "owl", and as for your comment about "most people wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole any more", well many millions have, and many millions will continue to do so, more so when the mRNA technology leads to treatments and cures for cancer and other incurable diseases.

 

Are you also a supporter of the "America's Frontline Doctors", the discredited anti-vax mob, or perhaps believe in ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine "treatments", or perhaps you believe the 2020 USA election was stolen?? Whichever one, you fit nicely into the conspiracy theory numb nuts, and I for one am so pleased that this breakthrough has been made, which will surely benefit all the human race in years to come – – even you perhaps!

"Are you also a supporter of the "America's Frontline Doctors", the discredited anti-vax mob, or perhaps believe in ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine "treatments", or perhaps you believe the 2020 USA election was stolen?"

Yes to all of these questions.

 

"Whichever one, you fit nicely into the conspiracy theory numb nuts".

Yes, I have addressed this aspect in this thread.

 

Here is a question for you:

I can send you sources where thousands of people testify of their Covid jab injuries and speak of their regrets of having accepted this forced procedure, which has done considerable damage to their health. One of the biggest problems these people face is that nobody even wants to listen to them. I can't post these sources here as this forum considers them "unapproved". 

 

Are you interested in receiving them via PM?

[xylophone]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

"Are you also a supporter of the "America's Frontline Doctors", the discredited anti-vax mob, or perhaps believe in ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine "treatments", or perhaps you believe the 2020 USA election was stolen?"

Yes to all of these questions.

 

"Whichever one, you fit nicely into the conspiracy theory numb nuts".

Yes, I have addressed this aspect in this thread.

 

Here is a question for you:

I can send you sources where thousands of people testify of their Covid jab injuries and speak of their regrets of having accepted this forced procedure, which has done considerable damage to their health. One of the biggest problems these people face is that nobody even wants to listen to them. I can't post these sources here as this forum considers them "unapproved". 

 

Are you interested in receiving them via PM?

Unapproved........as in having no factual basis?? "Considerable damage"? Not much point really when none of this can be proven and millions of lives were saved, AND your support of America's Frontline Doctors says more about you than any of your posts ever could.................and also believing the conspiracy theory about the election puts you firmly in the camp I mentioned above. 

 

Take another course of Ivermectin.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

29 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Unapproved........as in having no factual basis?? "Considerable damage"? Not much point really when none of this can be proven and millions of lives were saved, AND your support of America's Frontline Doctors says more about you than any of your posts ever could.................and also believing the conspiracy theory about the election puts you firmly in the camp I mentioned above. 

 

Take another course of Ivermectin.

 

 

As expected, and as always when Covid vax proponents are offered to see the damage done by the jab, you have refused. This is perfectly understandable, as it would instantly burst your bubble of falsehood. These are real people, not statistics, slogans or sweeping third-party statements.

 

The record shows that you had the opportunity to read about thousands of Covid jab injuries and refused to do so.

[owl sees all]

26 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Are you also a supporter of the "America's Frontline Doctors", the discredited anti-vax mob, or perhaps believe in ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine "treatments", or perhaps you believe the 2020 USA election was stolen?? Whichever one, you fit nicely into the conspiracy theory numb nuts, and I for one am so pleased that this breakthrough has been made, which will surely benefit all the human race in years to come – – even you perhaps!

Although not addressed to me, I think I should answer.

 

Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are both poisons. They are essentially used for eliminating parasites, which can be a big problem in Africa and Asia especially.

 

I believe AFDs have it wrong in that they promote(d) the use of 'these two' for covid. In my opinion, there is nothing that can help covid. When 'mectin' and 'droxy' have been used, there is sometimes a cross-over for parasite elimination and 'covid' improvement. The symptoms are listed as being similar. This is in my book where the confusion lay.

 

An incorrect diagnosis of covid, that is subsequently eased/cured by 'mectin' or 'droxy' is really often the result of parasites being eliminated from the body. Resulting in the patient feeling better. There being no covid, in the first place, but a heavy parasitic infection.

 

Of course this raises the question of how accurate covid infection diagnosis in third world countries actually is. If the patient can be gotten better with the parasitic drug then it was probably a parasitic infection in the first instance rather than the vague covid.

 

Hulda Clark wrote a book* on human parasites many years ago.. Still worth a read.

 

* The Cure For All Cancers

Major themes in her books (from wiki)

• Diet Cleanup: Clark said that most foods and supplements were sullied by contaminants such as heavy metals and mycotoxins
• Homeography: According to Clark, a "new science ... which is the electronic analog of homeopathy." She said an electronic signature of a substance can be transferred into bottles making a "bottle copy" of the original substance and that it can be done indefinitely.
• Liver flush: She advocated the use of a "liver flush". She said it removes gallstones and parasites from the liver and bile ducts. This involves fasting, epsom salt laxatives and a mixture of olive oil and grapefruit juice (the latter being known to interact with many prescription drugs).
• Parasites: Clark said people have parasites that cause numerous problems. She described herbal and electronic methods to remove them, such as her Zapper device (see below).
• Syncrometer: A "bioresonance" device developed by Clark and claimed to detect contaminants in substances at an accuracy of one part per quadrillion (ppq).
• Zapper: A device to pulse low voltage direct current (DC) through the body at specific frequencies. Clark said this device kills viruses, bacteria and parasites. In one case, a patient with a cardiac pacemaker suffered arrhythmias as a side effect of her "Zapper".^[18]

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 12:31 PM, owl sees all said:

I actually spent a year in medical school, back in the day. I know what I'm talking about. Don't think much has changed between then and now.

 

On 10/3/2023 at 12:51 PM, owl sees all said:

Ah yes chocolate.

 

When I lived in the Caribbean, very dark chocolate was readily available. Ladies would come round the streets with balls of it, as big as coconuts. Selling it off their carts.

 

On 10/3/2023 at 1:20 PM, owl sees all said:

Nonsense!! Really!! So blinkered! Because I don't see things your way.

Check out Sam and Mark Bailey. Or the Perth Group. Or one of my own groups; American Frontline Doctors.

 

On 10/3/2023 at 6:51 PM, owl sees all said:

IThese are silly arguments by a pro-vaxxers who have lost the plot. Many have had the jab themselves and are feeling poorly.

 

 

On 10/3/2023 at 9:01 PM, owl sees all said:

I think what Mr Trump was saying that a spray - like some antiseptic to make the breath smell nice - will kill off any nasties in the throat. I was thinking dentistry. But he definitely didn't say, or imply drinking bleach, as he was widely ridiculed for, by people that didn't like him.. I think the bleach came about because the Chinese were spraying the sidewalks of some towns.

 

 

Phew, sorry I couldn't go on, had to stop at page 5. (It's a, ehr, job but someone's got to do it!)

[watthong]

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Their sperm, and blood, will be worth  a fortune in the not too distant future.

One more....Priceless.

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 8:12 PM, atpeace said:

What a hypocrite you are - amazing how determined you are to be taken seriously. Show me where the Orange fella said we should drink or inject bleach. 

Need one say more?

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Unapproved........as in having no factual basis?? "Considerable damage"? Not much point really when none of this can be proven and millions of lives were saved, AND your support of America's Frontline Doctors says more about you than any of your posts ever could.................and also believing the conspiracy theory about the election puts you firmly in the camp I mentioned above. 

 

Take another course of Ivermectin.

 

 

"Take another course of Ivermectin."

 

I have a full box of it but have never used it as I have never caught Covid.

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 11:49 PM, rattlesnake said:

He was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was absolutely right. Trump did a great job of informing the public of the available treatments for Covid.

"Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound with the formula ClO2 that exists as yellowish-green gas above 11 °C, a reddish-brown liquid between 11 °C and −59 °C, and as bright orange crystals below −59 °C. It is usually handled as an aqueous solution. It is commonly used as a bleach." - Wikipedia.

Need one say more?

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Moderna combination Covid, flu vaccine moves to final stage trial after positive data

Oct 4 2023

 

"Moderna on Wednesday said its combination vaccine targeting Covid and the flu will move to a final stage trial in adults ages 50 and above this year after showing positive results in an early to mid-stage study.

 

The biotech company hopes its shot, mRNA-1083, can win approval from regulators in 2025. 

 

Moderna and other vaccine makers like Pfizer believe combination vaccines will simplify what people can do to protect themselves against respiratory viruses that typically surge around the same time of the year."

 

(more)

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/04/moderna-combination-covid-flu-vaccine-shows-positive-data.html

 

This has been mentioned a few times and will be a welcome addition to the at risk groups to get their protection yearly in one shot. 

[Eleftheros]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok, so an opinion not based on facts, rather than real facts from the the fact checkers, thanks for the clarification

There is absolutely no reason to take seriously any organization just because it decides to call itself a "fact-checker".

 

To do so is not a rational stance, but a merely political one.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

There is absolutely no reason to take seriously any organization just because it decides to call itself a "fact-checker".

 

To do so is not a rational stance, but a merely political one.

Like I said. Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

[rattlesnake]

11 minutes ago, watthong said:

"Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound with the formula ClO2 that exists as yellowish-green gas above 11 °C, a reddish-brown liquid between 11 °C and −59 °C, and as bright orange crystals below −59 °C. It is usually handled as an aqueous solution. It is commonly used as a bleach." - Wikipedia.

Need one say more?

Considering you obviously don't know what you are talking about, yes.

 

A few examples:

 

Inhibition of the Binding of Variants of SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Spike Protein to a Human Receptor by Chlorine Dioxide

https://www.remedypublications.com/open-access/inhibition-of-the-binding-of-variants-of-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-spike-7364.pdf

 

"These findings show that chlorine dioxide aqueous solution can inactivate the binding of the variant spike proteins to the human ACE2 receptor protein, indicating that this strategy may be useful in blocking the transmission of variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses."

 

Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18089729/

 

Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20616431/

[Mark Nothing]

Alfred Nobel, Sweden worked in his Father's military equipment factory during the Crimean war in 1852 and he discovered dynamite and nitroglycerin based bomb applications and used his profits to start the Nobel prizes in medicine, physics, chemistry, literature and peace first awarded in 1901.

 

Not exactly the credentials I was expecting from the founder of the nobel prize which is supposed to be awarded to those who have conferred the greatest  benefit to humankind.

 

Bombs, nitroglycerin and military supplies destroy humanity which just happens to be the opposite of the nobel prize stated goal. Thus I consider this nobel prize issued for vaccines as more likely an assault on humanity rather than a benefit.

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 7:45 PM, Eleftheros said:

Not just mine, but that of tens of millions of Americans.

 

A wound that will not easily be healed, and one that is likely to be far more damaging to the country  than any speculative number of lives his lying might have "saved".

 

 

Bingo! Just wondering who those WOUNDED "tens of millions of Americans" are...and what "damaging" consequences the other "tens of millions of Americans" might be expecting?

[Red Phoenix]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Like I said. Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

With a little twist that's good advice!
Don't let the fact-checkers get in the way of your informed opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

With a little twist that's good advice!
Don't let the fact-checkers get in the way of your informed opinion.

If twisting facts is your preferred method. 

 

I prefer verifiable facts. Not opinions.

[rattlesnake]

12 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

Alfred Nobel, Sweden worked in his Father's military equipment factory during the Crimean war in 1852 and he discovered dynamite and nitroglycerin based bomb applications and used his profits to start the Nobel prizes in medicine, physics, chemistry, literature and peace first awarded in 1901.

 

Not exactly the credentials I was expecting from the founder of the nobel prize which is supposed to be awarded to those who have conferred the greatest  benefit to humankind.

 

Bombs, nitroglycerin and military supplies destroy humanity which just happens to be the opposite of the nobel prize stated goal. Thus I consider this nobel prize issued for vaccines as more likely an assault on humanity rather than a benefit.

Reminds me of pharma giant Bayer, a former subsidiary of IG Farben, which produced Zyklon B for the nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

[watthong]

On 10/3/2023 at 7:34 PM, Eleftheros said:

Massive harm.Trust takes a long time to build, and a very short time to break...When people come to understand that their government is lying to them, they will seek other forms of authority to follow, some of which may be even worse than the government itself.

Hmmm,,,

Thanks for the warning. Again

[watthong]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

(Re: mRNA.)  "Such hyperbolic language!" ? Consider the last sentence...Irony, oh irony.

[owl sees all]

34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If twisting facts is your preferred method. 

 

I prefer verifiable facts. Not opinions.

The problem is plain to see.

 

Do you believe in God?

No.

Prove there isn't one.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. These people are trying to out-do nature. Getting very well paid for their efforts too. We can't improve on nature. It has seen us good for billions of years. Messing with nature can only end in disaster. We must learn from it. Not impose our filthy ways on it.

 

Nature can be destructive. It can be devastating. It can be viscous. But never ugly.

 

[rattlesnake]

25 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The problem is plain to see.

 

Do you believe in God?

No.

Prove there isn't one.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. These people are trying to out-do nature. Getting very well paid for their efforts too. We can't improve on nature. It has seen us good for billions of years. Messing with nature can only end in disaster. We must learn from it. Not impose our filthy ways on it.

 

Nature can be destructive. It can be devastating. It can be viscous. But never ugly.

 

Wise words, Owl.

[atpeace]

4 hours ago, watthong said:

For the sake of anyone's supposedly non-lacking "sincerity and intellect," "anti-vax" is not a derogatory term by any means, Such sentiment is rather in the "eye of the beholder."  It might be divisive by its nature, but not demeaning or degrading. Other examples: "communists" (vs "socialists") or "republicans" (vs "democrats" for us Yanks) - and in this case, "anti-vaxxers" (vs "vaxxers," if there is such a thing.)

In my world context matters.  The poster I was referring to also usually attaches other derogatory insults to the label.  I personally try no to make habit of not doing this but we all make mistakes.  Just pointing out his mistake  IMO.  By all means feel free to disagree.  Cheers

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

"Take another course of Ivermectin."

 

I have a full box of it but have never used it as I have never caught Covid.

Still amazed you never caught Covid.  100% of my friends caught it and a good amount twice.  I had it it and it wasn't any fun but only dreadful for a few days and my lungs were almost 100% in a month.  No biggie and life marches on.  

 

Apparently some can't let go of the glorious Covid days where they could pummel anyone that disagreed with their narrative.  I think secretly they have wet dreams thinking about the next pandemic where they can thirst off the fear and deceive themselves into thinking they are relevant.