Anutin Enforces Stricter Firearm Regulations

[webfact]

In the wake of a harrowing incident where a 14-year-old was found in possession of a firearm, Anutin Charnvirakul, Thailand’s Interior Minister, has issued a directive to the Department of Provincial Administration (DPA) to cease the issuance of firearm permits to civilians. The incident has triggered a comprehensive review of the nation’s gun control protocols.

 

Anutin, acting with the authority of his role in the Interior Ministry, emphasized that this move was crucial to address the lapses in the existing firearm control measures. The enforcement of stricter protocols underscores the government’s steadfast commitment to ensuring public safety and security, confronting the potential dangers associated with unregulated access to firearms, reported INN.

 

The decision to suspend the issuance of new firearm permits reflects a focused effort to mitigate the risk of similar incidents occurring in the future. Anutin’s actions are grounded in the urgent need to revise and reinforce the existing laws governing the possession and use of firearms.

 

The Interior Minister's intervention echoes a broader initiative to elevate public safety measures, unearthing and addressing the vulnerabilities in the current regulatory landscape.

 

Anutin’s role as the Interior Minister places him at the forefront of this pivotal transition towards more rigorous gun control measures. His decisive actions signal a renewed focus on enhancing the effectiveness of Thailand’s gun control laws, marking a significant stride in the journey towards a safer and more secure nation.

 

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[sammieuk1]

Its the downside of now not wearing a mask you not only hear it you have to see it how is this bandit in charge of anything ????

[Deserted]

I can't see this changing much.

[2baht]

Quick, shut the gate.............................the horse has bolted!!! ????

[bob smith]

why do they always wait for a tragedy to happen before they take action?

 

Thailand - The hub of knee jerk reactions.

[bamnutsak]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

His decisive actions signal a renewed focus on enhancing the effectiveness of Thailand’s gun control laws, marking a significant stride in the journey towards a safer and more secure nation.

 

Yeah. He stopped the issuance of gun permits. Did this child have a Gun Permit?

 

If they didn't do anything, and Anutin was a Deputy PM in the previous regime, after the Nong Bua Lamphu Massacre they won't move the needle on this one.

 

Gun control theatre.

 

 

 

[2baht]

2 minutes ago, bob smith said:

why do they always wait for a tragedy to happen before they take action?

 

Thailand - The hub of knee jerk reactions.

Don't ask, it's just the way they do it! 

[CartagenaWarlock]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

In the wake of a harrowing incident where a 14-year-old was found in possession of a firearm, Anutin Charnvirakul, Thailand’s Interior Minister, has issued a directive to the Department of Provincial Administration (DPA) to cease the issuance of firearm permits to civilians. The incident has triggered a comprehensive review of the nation’s gun control protocols.

The ganja guy is now an Interior minister. I remember Anutin as the ganja guy who made Thailand the ganja heaven. I am wondering who would be the brothel guy that made every bar a brothel in Thailand where old foreigners can find their young brides and live ont eh land of smile using "wify visa".

[nikmar]

reaction over proaction!

[retarius]

Anutin, the genius that gave Thailand its incomprehensible cannabis laws? Yes he'll make a world of difference with gun control. He can't think his way out of a paper bag, and would certainly suffocate in one made from plastic. By the way, whatever happened to Captain Joe Ferrari? Did he get let off, or did he scarper while on bail?

[Mr Meeseeks]

Will he hand over the guns he owns and relinquish membership of the various shooting ranges that he may be a member of? ????

[2baht]

5 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

 I am wondering who would be the brothel guy that made every bar a brothel in Thailand where old foreigners can find their young brides and live ont eh land of smile using "wify visa".

Is that what you did?

[Dogmatix]

Unfortunately the OP is an inaccurate summary of the linked INN press release.  In that, Anutin is quoted both in the headline and para 3 saying he has ordered the DG of DOPA to immediately cease issuing permits to carry guns (i.e. Por 12 permits) . The wording ใบอนุญาตพกพาอาวุธ is very specific and can only refer to a Por 12 permit, which is already extremely difficult to obtain, needs to be renewed annually and is processed by the police not DOPA, although the actual piece of paper is issued by DOPA.  Regular licenses to own and use a firearm are referred to  as ใบอนุญาตมีและใช้วุธ (Por 4). 

 

This doesn't mean that Anutin will not crack down on issuance of ordinary Por 4 permits. A crack down was actually already in place under the Prayut government making It much harder and requiring far more documents and evidence of assets.  But ceasing to issue permits altogether is not what Anutin said. 

[spidermike007]

After the Prayuth administration, we all know how ineffective and insincere this man is. So, don't expect much. 

 

When you consider where the guns come from (likely most are from the army and police?), does anyone really have the will to stand up and push back against that rot, corruption, immorality, moral degradation, and criminality? 

[webfact]

Tighter Gun Control in Wake of Bangkok Shootout

by Na-ark Rojanasuvan
    

 

BANGKOK (NNT) - The Ministry of Interior has instructed the Department of Local Administration to suspend issuing gun permits to the general public.

 

According to Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Anutin Charnvirakul, the move was taken after considering that the nation already has legal frameworks to safeguard and ensure the safety of its citizens. This came following the recent shootout incident in Bangkok.

 

Thus, there is not an apparent need for the public to possess or carry firearms openly. Those currently possessing firearms are urged to store them securely, out of reach of others, even within their own families. The objective is to follow the law strictly in matters of possession and carrying of firearms.

 

Deputy Prime Minister Anutin emphasized that in case of any threats, it’s advisable to report to the police or the local administrative officers for one’s safety, rather than resorting to firearms. He added that strict inspections will be put in place for acquiring and possessing firearms, including related items like BB-GUNs, toy guns, and bullets. The department will closely monitor and restrict the import and sale of these items.

 

On the other hand, Defence Minister Sutin Klungsang touched upon the topic of reviewing regulations about imitation firearms. However, he clarified that such matters are under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Interior.

 

The Ministry of Defence focuses mainly on weapons of war. He indicated that military and police units, who are the primary custodians of significant weapon stocks, must ensure safe storage and strict adherence to protocols. He highlighted lessons drawn from the previous Nakhon Ratchasima shooting incident.

 

However, the Defense Minister pointed out that both situations are different, with one involving military personnel and the other a young individual. He stressed the importance of family members being vigilant of behaviors, especially if linked to drugs or mental health issues.

 

 

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[Skeptic7]

5 hours ago, bob smith said:

why do they always wait for a tragedy to happen before they take action?

 

Thailand - The hub of knee jerk reactions.

Been a couple other mass shootings in recent years, so they're actually slower than knee jerk. Still jerks, but even slower than you give credit for. ????

[Bangkok Barry]

5 hours ago, bob smith said:

why do they always wait for a tragedy to happen before they take action?

 

Thailand - The hub of knee jerk reactions.

Happens everywhere, all over the world, all the time. And then the rules are often not enforced, as they aren't in Thailand. A recent wedding fire tragedy comes to mind, and plenty of nightclub fires. I watch YouTube videos called Fascinating Horror about such incidents, and it's amazing how often those responsible escape any real punishment, even when they are dozens or more deaths.

[bradiston]

Surely restricting the issuance of gun licences will have very little effect as I'd bet most fire arms are unlicensed in any case. Once the public is armed and ready to rumble, there's nothing anybody can do. Thank god in Europe we've somehow kept the need to carry a gun to an absolute minimum.

[Purdey]

Knee jerks reactions do require thought. How about mental health treatment?

[Dogmatix]

What he actually said in Thai was he had instructed the DG of DOPA to cease issuing Por 12 carry permits to the general public.  Presumably ministers, MPs, senators and other worthies will still get them. He didn't say he would cease issuance of Por 4 permits to own firearms.  It makes sense that this will not happen.  Otherwise the Ministry of the Interior, the largest importer and distributor of guns for civilians, will likely be left with a lot of unsold stock on its hands.

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

In the wake of a harrowing incident where a 14-year-old was found in possession of a firearm, Anutin Charnvirakul, Thailand’s Interior Minister, has issued a directive to the Department of Provincial Administration (DPA) to cease the issuance of firearm permits to civilians. The incident has triggered a comprehensive review of the nation’s gun control protocols.

Now you only have to worry about drunk or mentally unbalanced non-civilians shooting you.

[SiSePuede419]

Ya think? ????

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Anutin’s role as the Interior Minister places him at the forefront of this pivotal transition towards more rigorous gun control measures. His decisive actions signal a renewed focus on enhancing the effectiveness of Thailand’s gun control laws, marking a significant stride in the journey towards a safer and more secure nation

Complete and utter BS highlighted above

the man is a fool.

[NorthernRyland]

ah yes but Thailand doesn't even know how to regulate or enforce in the first place so I don't see how this will make any difference. 

[brianthainess]

To little to late and the tip of a very big Iceberg.

[ThaiFelix]

8 hours ago, Deserted said:

I can't see this changing much.

No its the same "stricter" speech we had last time and the time before and................................

[BKKBike09]

46 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Unfortunately the OP is an inaccurate summary of the linked INN press release.  In that, Anutin is quoted both in the headline and para 3 saying he has ordered the DG of DOPA to immediately cease issuing permits to carry guns (i.e. Por 12 permits) . The wording ใบอนุญาตพกพาอาวุธ is very specific and can only refer to a Por 12 permit, which is already extremely difficult to obtain, needs to be renewed annually and is processed by the police not DOPA, although the actual piece of paper is issued by DOPA.  Regular licenses to own and use a firearm are referred to  as ใบอนุญาตมีและใช้วุธ (Por 4). 

 

This doesn't mean that Anutin will not crack down on issuance of ordinary Por 4 permits. A crack down was actually already in place under the Prayut government making It much harder and requiring far more documents and evidence of assets.  But ceasing to issue permits altogether is not what Anutin said. 

I'd generally agree with you on this ... however, if you read some of the other reports about this, there are ones saying that much more is intended, viz:

 

"As for shooting ranges, Anutin stated that these must also be controlled, particularly in respect of children who have not yet reached the age of majority, who should not [be allowed] to practise shooting guns. The Department of Provincial Administration is to consider whether people who go to a shooting range must have a permit to carry a gun and people who shoot for sport should deposit their gun[s] at the shooting range, and not be able to take them out [from the range]"

https://www.pptvhd36.com/news/การเมือง/207315

 

ส่วนสนามยิงปืน นายอนุทิน ระบุว่า ต้องควบคุมด้วย โดยเฉพาะในเด็กที่ยังไม่บรรลุนิติภาวะ ก็ไม่ควรเข้าไปซ้อมยิงปืน และผู้ที่จะเข้าสนามยิงปืน ต้องมีใบอนุญาตพกพาปืนด้วย และผู้ที่ยิงปืนเป็นกีฬา ก็ให้ฝากปืนไว้ที่สนามยิงปืน ไม่สามารถนำออกมาด้วยได้ ก็เป็นแนวทางที่ให้กรมการปกครองนำไปพิจารณา

 

I can't see any of the above actually happening. The shooting sports world is quite influential and it's impractical to say sport shooters have to leave weapons at a specified range, given that matches are held at different ranges all round the country. And no shooting range is going to want the responsibility of storing hundreds of firearms.

 

One thing all ranges and organisers of shooting matches could easily do - which would be a visible action towards ensuring only legally-held guns are used at ranges / matches - would be to ask that every gun be accompanied by its permit (since in Thailand you need a permit for each firearm), and to check that the licensed owner of the gun is the person who brought it to the range / match.

 

[VBF]

As a Brit, I have less experience of guns than, say, a lot of Americans, but I recall that, when I lived in the US, (and legally had a gun) the NRA would always say that, "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns".    IMO that's a truism worldwide.

 

In UK handguns have been illegal for civilians almost forever but there is an astonishing number of them about and increasing! https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/firearms The people who have them are not troubled by the regulations!

Edited October 5, 2023 by VBF

[Bangkok Barry]

3 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

To little to late and the tip of a very big Iceberg.

As is violence in Thailand. At the weekend a man in the next village to mine murdered his sister, and yesterday someone posted on here of a neighbour, a policeman, raping his 12 year old boy servant three times. Neither have made it to this site. How much more do we never hear about?

[brianthainess]

12 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

As is violence in Thailand. At the weekend a man in the next village to mine murdered his sister, and yesterday someone posted on here of a neighbour, a policeman, raping his 12 year old boy servant three times. Neither have made it to this site. How much more do we never hear about?

My missus last evening got knocked off her motor bike, by a drunk Thai, a witness who helped her up, phoned the cops, so the drunk started attacking the witness, she videoed the altercation then showed the cops, he has agreed to pay for the damage, the cops let him on his merry way. TIT, not a pleasant evening, it could have ended very badly, she only went to get milk for me. Luckily my missus didn't get fazed by it.  Strong she is.

Edited October 5, 2023 by brianthainess