ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Morch]

Gaza border crossing set to reopen as Israeli troops prepare ground assault

https://www.aol.com/gaza-border-crossing-set-reopen-235741665.html

[Danderman123]

 

[MikeandDow]

From AOL  "If the Zionist aggressions do not stop, the hands of all parties in the region are on the trigger," said Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian, adding that Tehran could not simply stay an observer."

end of the ayatollahs if they get invoved

[MikeandDow]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

Well why did the Palestinian s in Gaza vote them into goverment

why does he not give up hamas

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

From AOL  "If the Zionist aggressions do not stop, the hands of all parties in the region are on the trigger," said Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian, adding that Tehran could not simply stay an observer."

end of the ayatollahs if they get invoved

AOC agrees...

[Danderman123]

8 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Well why did the Palestinian s in Gaza vote them into goverment

why does he not give up hamas

Gaza is historically very different from West Bank Palestine. Gazan culture has an affinity with Egypt, having been controlled by Egypt for decades.

 

So, Gaza does not want control from the Palestinian Authority.

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

This is Ismail Haniyeh, a sharp suited man with an estimate personal fortune of $4 Billion. He lives in luxury in Qatar. He is the leader of Hamas, and while many Palestinians in Gaza are living in poverty under his brutal regime, he is telling them to remain in a war zone and not evacuate to safety. What an utterly disingenuous despot.

 

 

 

 

"'Forward' he cried from the rear

   And the front rank died."

 

Wonder what Roger Waters makes of that.

 

 

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

AOC agrees...

https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine

 

"Today is devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine. I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms. No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.”

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Well why did the Palestinian s in Gaza vote them into goverment

why does he not give up hamas

How do you mean 'why does he not give up Hamas' ?

[MikeandDow]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

How do you mean 'why does he not give up Hamas' ?

I would belive he knows or can find out where Hamas is in gaza

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Gaza is historically very different from West Bank Palestine. Gazan culture has an affinity with Egypt, having been controlled by Egypt for decades.

 

So, Gaza does not want control from the Palestinian Authority.

Not accurate. You keep pushing this for some unclear reason. There are supporters of Fatah in the Gaza Strip as well. There are supporters of Hamas in the West Bank.

 

What 'affinity' you're on about is mostly something of the past, and would anyway apply to original Palestinian residents of the Strip. The demographics changes significantly with refugee influx.

[Morch]

Just now, MikeandDow said:

I would belive he knows or can find out where Hamas is in gaza

Abbas does not rule the Gaza Strip. PA security forces do not have access, even.

[MikeandDow]

53 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

This is Ismail Haniyeh, a sharp suited man with an estimate personal fortune of $4 Billion. He lives in luxury in Qatar. He is the leader of Hamas, and while many Palestinians in Gaza are living in poverty under his brutal regime, he is telling them to remain in a war zone and not evacuate to safety. What an utterly disingenuous despot.

 

 

 

Dead man walking

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

"'Forward' he cried from the rear

   And the front rank died."

 

Wonder what Roger Waters makes of that.

 

 

 

Brilliant

 

And the general sat

And the lines on the map

Moved from side to side

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

Abbas does not rule the Gaza Strip. PA security forces do not have access, even.

thats nothing new  but i would assume he knows where  Hamas is in gaza if not very poor leader

[Morch]

Just now, MikeandDow said:

thats nothing new  but i would assume he knows where  Hamas is in gaza if not very poor leader

Why would he know this? Hamas doesn't share information like this with him. And if he knows it, it's a safe bet Israel does as well. I don't think Israel needs a whole lot of tactical intel from Abbas, when it comes to Gaza Strip.

[Yellowtail]

15 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine

 

"Today is devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine. I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms. No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.”

No doubt one of your heroes. 

[MikeandDow]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

Why would he know this? Hamas doesn't share information like this with him. And if he knows it, it's a safe bet Israel does as well. I don't think Israel needs a whole lot of tactical intel from Abbas, when it comes to Gaza Strip.

good point

[Danderman123]

34 minutes ago, Morch said:

Not accurate. You keep pushing this for some unclear reason. There are supporters of Fatah in the Gaza Strip as well. There are supporters of Hamas in the West Bank.

 

What 'affinity' you're on about is mostly something of the past, and would anyway apply to original Palestinian residents of the Strip. The demographics changes significantly with refugee influx.

where would refugees *into* Gaza come from?

[RanongCat]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

Israel worries Hamas leadership will use this as cover to escape.

Egypt doesn't want to seem as treating foreigners better than Palestinians. They are probably also worried that opening the pass for this will result in a mass stampede.

Not sure why my question gets referenced to Egypt alone. Surely Israel ( IDF ) can reasonably safely distinguish between Palestinians and foreigners who seek exit from Gaza at the Israeli / Gaza border?

While Hamas can be legitimately blamed for creating this current outcome it is Israel that risks resentment by other nations if they ignore the plight of uninvolved foreign nationals kept trapped between a rock and a hard place .

 

[Yellowtail]

15 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Not sure why my question gets referenced to Egypt alone. Surely Israel ( IDF ) can reasonably safely distinguish between Palestinians and foreigners who seek exit from Gaza at the Israeli / Gaza border?

While Hamas can be legitimately blamed for creating this current outcome it is Israel that risks resentment by other nations if they ignore the plight of uninvolved foreign nationals kept trapped between a rock and a hard place .

 

How would they be able to easily distinguish foreigners?

 

How could they safely even define foreigner?  

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How would they be able to easily distinguish foreigners?

 

How could they safely even define foreigner?  

They have foreign passports 

[Danderman123]

24 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Not sure why my question gets referenced to Egypt alone. Surely Israel ( IDF ) can reasonably safely distinguish between Palestinians and foreigners who seek exit from Gaza at the Israeli / Gaza border?

While Hamas can be legitimately blamed for creating this current outcome it is Israel that risks resentment by other nations if they ignore the plight of uninvolved foreign nationals kept trapped between a rock and a hard place .

 

Hamas has been actively blocking the Raffa border crossing.

[proton]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

 

As they voted for them and support them I rather think they do!

[Albaby]

On 10/8/2023 at 6:01 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, I saw on Al Jazeera the Israeli tanks burning and the crews being dragged away. Many Israelis are hostages.

 

Cutting electricity to all of Gaza is collective punishment and is IMO illegal under international law, but Israel has been flouting that for decades with it's illegal occupation and land theft.

 

I fully expect Israel to indiscriminately bomb Gaza with the usual toll of dead children and innocent citizens.

Yahoo????

[Yellowtail]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

They have foreign passports 

So Iranians, Turks, Egyptians, Saudis and anyone with a non-PA issued passport should be let into Israel? 

 

That sounds great. 

[Rimmer]

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[Danny Australia]

5 hours ago, RanongCat said:

Somewhat false humanitarian move. The damage to water pipes is one thing but without electricity  to power pumps .....?

Was naive to think that IDF is capable of doing anything humane. It turns out they only talking about allowing water in south of Gaza (not to the northern part) to entice people to go there in accordance with their war crime attempt to mass enforce civilians to relocate so it would be easier to push them across the border to neighbouring Egypt. And yes you are right, without electricity, this is a worthless cunning move.

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Was naive to think that IDF is capable of doing anything humane. It turns out they only talking about allowing water in south of Gaza (not to the northern part) to entice people to go there in accordance with their war crime attempt to mass enforce civilians to relocate so it would be easier to push them across the border to neighbouring Egypt. And yes you are right, without electricity, this is a worthless cunning move.

Why are the Palestinians having to beg Israel for free water and electricity? Why have they not built their own desalinization and power generating plants? 

[RanongCat]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

How would they be able to easily distinguish foreigners?

 

How could they safely even define foreigner?  

Such as Aid  workers and UN staff would carry passports and official ID ?