ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Al jazeera. Figures. Yea Thaiger maybe better for you.

Nah .... the Guardian online

[Thorgal]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Ahem! Nobody's perfect, but it has been quite trendy among Islamic extremists for a certain number of years.

(Please note that I wrote "Islamic extremists", and not 'Muslims').

There's also something like Islamic Zionism...

[Morch]

47 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

This is totally wrong. I have no side in this. I got accused of being  Anti-Jew just because I pointed out some truths about what Israel has done in this war, including the war crimes. I support no one in this war, is that clear? 

 

What 'truths'?

You yourself admit you don't know much about matters at hand...

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

There's also something like Islamic Zionism...

If you are a UK resident, it can be treated on the NHS …. but there’s a bit of a waiting list.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

52 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

This is totally wrong. I have no side in this. I got accused of being  Anti-Jew just because I pointed out some truths about what Israel has done in this war, including the war crimes. I support no one in this war, is that clear? 

 

That's 8 denials, and I'm still counting 

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

He's a (ultra right) zionist neocon : he told this so many times and that was part of the success of his election campaign. 

His (ultra right) zionist Likud buddy is in domestic political problems in Israel and Joe will have to back up in the region.

 

Look at all (most) victims from both sides till now : all of them originate from the national socialist (left) movements.

 

More nonsense.

 

Biden is not 'ultra right'. No one in his right mind says that, other than members of the far left - and for them even 'regular' left is right. Biden is no Likud or Netnayhu fan - kept Netanyahu waiting for days to acknowledge elections victory, delayed inviting him for a US meeting, and when that happened, it was a short time affair during the UNGA annual thing. No White House meeting. Also critical of Netanyahu's domestic policies.

 

As for your last part - not exactly. Israelis in the Kibbutzim generally vote center-left, those in the town that were attacked vote to the right or religious parties. As for the Palestinians, labeling the Hamas as 'left' is a choice. Same goes for Fatah, by the way.

 

[deejai33]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

The two Palestinian operatives discussing how an Islamic Jihad rocket fired from a cemetery adjacent to the hospital caused the explosion and destruction  

Is it odd that IDF intercepted this call, but did not intercept calls related to the recent Hamas incursion into Israel ?

 

Surely there must have been thousands of calls planning the attack by Hamas.   Why did IDF not act on those calls ?

 

Seems odd to me.  I don't know how calls are intercepted or how to verify them.   

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by deejai33

[Morch]

35 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

There are no non authoritative propaganda sources.

Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)!  

You keep saying you prefer Al Jazeera, in the face of many comments detailing why it is not a great source (for this situation). That doesn't exactly help make your comments here seen as objective, or even factual. Sounds more like that's-my-brand-and-I'm-sticking-with-it.

[Hawaiian]

35 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

There are no non authoritative propaganda sources.

Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)!  

At one time CNN was a reliable, mostly unbiased news source.  Not any more.  In fact, I don't think there are any unbiased news outlets left in the U.S.  They all lean either right or left.  Even PBS broadcasts are slanted.

[RanongCat]

25 minutes ago, candide said:

Ahem! Nobody's perfect, but it has been quite trendy among Islamic extremists for a certain number of years.

(Please note that I wrote "Islamic extremists", and not 'Muslims').

And I congratulate you on that differentiation. If only the prolific pedants of popular opinion  could make similar differentiation when it comes to  differentiation of Israeli people where the population is a mix of  races  AND religion  even to sectarian differences of Judaism.

Arabic  Jews !  Well I never ! Israeli Muslims !  Oh what?

Any critical or  non agreement with Israel Govt. dictate is automatically construed as  "support" for  Islamic radicals, Hamas, Hezbolla, and/or other more demented radical groups etc  and thereby anti-Semite !!

Get a grip  people.

 

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Is it odd that IDF intercepted this call, but did not intercept calls related to the recent Hamas incursion into Israel ?

 

Surely there must have been thousands of calls planning the attack by Hamas.   Why did IDF act on those calls ?

 

Seems odd to me.  I don't know how calls are intercepted or how to verify them.   

 

 

A large part of it was hubris, another falling in love with a theory. Then there was also the Hamas side, doing it's best to cover communications (apparently important stuff was not communicated by signals). There was some indication the night of the attack, that something is up, but the expectation was for something limited, if that.

 

The situation now is different, Israel is  in war mode, attention is heightened. Hamas is on the run, less careful.

 

I'm pretty sure that raw data would have been shared at least with the USA on this case.

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

There's also something like Islamic Zionism...

Do they carry out many terrorist attacks?

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

https://metro.co.uk/video/idf-releases-alleged-intercepted-recording-phone-call-hamas-operatives-discussing-hospital-strike-3040153/?ito=video.desktop.share.top.email

 

The two Palestinian operatives discussing how an Islamic Jihad rocket fired from a cemetery adjacent to the hospital caused the explosion and destruction  

Guess who own's the Metro??? 🤣🤣🤣

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

Do they carry out many terrorist attacks?

Perhaps they  call themselves  "Settlers" ?

 

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Perhaps they  call themselves  "Settlers" ?

 

Perhaps you should use Google if you're not sure of the context of the exchange.

It's nothing to do with what you posted.

[Neeranam]

15 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Any critical or  non agreement with Israel Govt. dictate is automatically construed as  "support" for  Islamic radicals, Hamas, Hezbolla, and/or other more demented radical groups etc  and thereby anti-Semite !!

Get a grip  people.

Absolutely. 

 

[Neeranam]

29 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Is it odd that IDF intercepted this call, but did not intercept calls related to the recent Hamas incursion into Israel ?

 

Surely there must have been thousands of calls planning the attack by Hamas.   Why did IDF not act on those calls ?

 

Seems odd to me.  I don't know how calls are intercepted or how to verify them.   

 

 

That's very odd. 

[RanongCat]

As a matter of comparable record the gross acts of the Hamas incursion has grotesque similarity to those the Israeli originators committed on the Arabic  community of the new Nation State granted by decree . That included  the murder of the elderly in their beds, village populations including  children decimated by gunfire  and forced  evacuations. There exists original newsreel evidence of those who often are laughing as they recall the acts and even admit having no recall of even a cruse estimate of the people they  machine gunned to death.

Such events are still within the memories of many confined in the Gaza desert !

You  think they have less justification than the  European Jews  who  flooded their  new appointed  territory ?

 

 

[RanongCat]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

Perhaps you should use Google if you're not sure of the context of the exchange.

It's nothing to do with what you posted.

Because  You say so ?

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

As a matter of comparable record the gross acts of the Hamas incursion has grotesque similarity to those the Israeli originators committed on the Arabic  community of the new Nation State granted by decree . That included  the murder of the elderly in their beds, village populations including  children decimated by gunfire  and forced  evacuations. There exists original newsreel evidence of those who often are laughing as they recall the acts and even admit having no recall of even a cruse estimate of the people they  machine gunned to death.

Such events are still within the memories of many confined in the Gaza desert !

You  think they have less justification than the  European Jews  who  flooded their  new appointed  territory ?

 

 

yes

[rabas]

Rays of truth begin to emerge with daybreak. If early images are indicative, the Gaza hospital bombing may live in infamy as the Great Nothing Burger. 

 

No significant structural damage to buildings, a heavily burned out parking lot. Did 800 people die in those few cars. 

 

Image from CNN. 

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-18-23/h_2b0ca738700446dc5c8615090e1f3331

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by rabas

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

Vomitous

I know you are 

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

That's very odd. 

It's odd Hamas didn't talk on public airways to prepare a secret attack? 

 

Talk about seeing what you want to see.

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

As a matter of comparable record the gross acts of the Hamas incursion has grotesque similarity to those the Israeli originators committed on the Arabic  community of the new Nation State granted by decree . That included  the murder of the elderly in their beds, village populations including  children decimated by gunfire  and forced  evacuations. There exists original newsreel evidence of those who often are laughing as they recall the acts and even admit having no recall of even a cruse estimate of the people they  machine gunned to death.

Such events are still within the memories of many confined in the Gaza desert !

You  think they have less justification than the  European Jews  who  flooded their  new appointed  territory ?

 

 

 

I think that you are cherry picking and deflecting.

 

There were atrocities, murders and whatnot carried out by Arabs vs Jews well before 1947. You choose and arbitrary point to start your 'argument'. Both sides have their long lists of bad things the other side did unto them.

 

If you feel that the Hamas attack was 'justified' you're pretty much out there.

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Because  You say so ?

Yes.

You made a comment that had nothing to do with my post, or the one I replied to.

You obviously did not understand the context, nor bothered to check.

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I think that you are cherry picking and deflecting.

 

There were atrocities, murders and whatnot carried out by Arabs vs Jews well before 1947. You choose and arbitrary point to start your 'argument'. Both sides have their long lists of bad things the other side did unto them.

 

If you feel that the Hamas attack was 'justified' you're pretty much out there.

There were atrocities, murders and whatnot carried out by Jews vs Arabs well before 1947. You choose and arbitrary point to start your 'argument'. Both sides have their long lists of bad things the other side did unto them.

 

No I don't feel the Hamas attack was "justified" nor do I feel this response is going to help the situation either.

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Guess who own's the Metro??? 🤣🤣🤣

Its not only in the metro....................

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

There were atrocities, murders and whatnot carried out by Jews vs Arabs well before 1947. You choose and arbitrary point to start your 'argument'. Both sides have their long lists of bad things the other side did unto them.

 

No I don't feel the Hamas attack was "justified" nor do I feel this response is going to help the situation either.

I wasn't denying there were attacks by Jews on Arabs, though. The poster I replied to is the one who presented a more one-sided version. This whole back-at-ya concept doesn't work out that well for you, Jeff....

 

Define 'help the situation'. Or maybe offer a realistic take on what Israel could/should have done following the attack.

[Bkk Brian]

Here's the source to the intercepted recording:

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

28 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

You do love saying rubbish if it doesn't suit your narrative lol

Dear Jeff the Chef, I know it’s asking a lot of you, but could you possibly articulate your reasons saying that he loves talking rubbish, or do you find yourself restricted to grammatically incorrect one liners followed by lol ... thank you