Iran sends deadly message to Biden with Hamas attack on Israel

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Regardless of whether Iran plotted and ordered the massive Hamas attack against Israel over the weekend, Tehran’s backing and support for the Palestinian militant group sends a clear and defiant message to Washington.

The U.S. has yet to confirm a direct involvement from Tehran in the operation, but officials acknowledge Iranians are indirectly complicit in training, funding and supporting Hamas.

 

The Hamas invasion, the worst attack on Israel in 50 years, shows Tehran is increasingly willing to damage U.S. allies and, in effect, try to weaken American influence through proxy groups. It comes as Iran’s influence as a regional power appears on the rise.

Jonathan Spyer, the director of research at the Middle East Forum, said Iran seeks to defeat Israel with a strategy of “death by a thousand cuts.”

“They intend to reduce the morale of Israelis, to cause Israelis to lose faith in their institutions, to cause Israelis to quit Israel,” said Spyer. “That’s the reason why they’re backing Hamas. That’s the reason why they created Hezbollah. They intend to try to surround Israel with what we would call hybrid military forces.”

Iran has denied any role in the brutal surprise attack by Hamas but has welcomed the news, reportedly with celebrations of what Iranians are calling a Palestinian victory.

Both Hamas and Iran have publicly acknowledged a strategic partnership. They hold separate goals in the decades-long conflict with Jerusalem, but those aims appear to have aligned during the early Saturday attack, which has left hundreds dead in Israel and fighting still flaring up in the south near Gaza.

Iran has for years been fighting a shadow war against Israel through proxy groups, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and others. Tehran considers Israel an American client state, hostile to Muslims.

 

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[Tug]

Oh I think their message pertains to all the western powers not just the USA 

[Chomper Higgot]

The Intelligence Services didn’t see it coming.

 

Now we know with certainty who was funding it and what were their motives?

[Neeranam]

39 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I think their message pertains to all the western powers not just the USA 

US funds Israel, Iran funds Hamas, same same. If they meddle in international politics, expect repercussions. 

[RichardColeman]

Guess the horlicks and 6 pm beddy-byes time will have to be delayed a bit.

[hotchilli]

On 10/10/2023 at 10:28 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The Intelligence Services didn’t see it coming.

 

Now we know with certainty who was funding it and what were their motives?

And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?

[IAMHERE]

22 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?

Worse is that Joe Biden no longer enforces sanctions against Iran; their oil sales went from less than 500,000 barrels a day to over 3,000,000 barrels a day since Joe took offices. Iran is flush with money these days. 

[wombat]

24 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?

I give up.

Which country?

[tandor]

On 10/10/2023 at 11:01 AM, Neeranam said:

US funds Israel, Iran funds Hamas, same same. If they meddle in international politics, expect repercussions. 

Israel is a recognised state and Hamas is the militant wing of Palestine

[nobodysfriend]

Iran = horrible government , crazy Ayatollahs , but many nice people in the country .

Israel = horrible government , aggressive policies ( settlers ) , but many nice people in the country .

Palestine = horrible government ( ok , they do not even have a real government ) , but , at  least ,

some nice people in the country , the rest is crazy muslims shouting " Allahu akhba " when they attack ... Hate is deeply embedded in the palestinian society because of suppression .

Give them their own state , that they have their own land to settle , without having to fear being expelled or killed .

Everybody has the right to worship their own god ( even there is none ) , as long as it stays non-violent . Peaceful .

 

( I know , I deserve some ' laughing emojis ' for that , but anyway ...)

[Smokey and the Bandit]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?

The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?

[Morch]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?

The attack was planned long ago, though.

Also, no high costs involved, so would be peanuts for Iran, and Hamas could even manage it on its own.

 

Netanyahu's strategy for some time now was to pacify Hamas by facilitating Qatari funding for 'civilian' purposes.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

Israel is a recognised state and Hamas is the militant wing of Palestine

Hamas is a Palestinian social organization, political party and a terrorist outfit rolled into one.

Even though it enjoys mass popular support among Palestinians, it is not that all Palestinians support it, or that it is accepted as representing all Palestinians.

There's a bitter, lengthy, political divide among the Palestinians. Been that way for years now.

[Morch]

55 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Iran = horrible government , crazy Ayatollahs , but many nice people in the country .

Israel = horrible government , aggressive policies ( settlers ) , but many nice people in the country .

Palestine = horrible government ( ok , they do not even have a real government ) , but , at  least ,

some nice people in the country , the rest is crazy muslims shouting " Allahu akhba " when they attack ... Hate is deeply embedded in the palestinian society because of suppression .

Give them their own state , that they have their own land to settle , without having to fear being expelled or killed .

Everybody has the right to worship their own god ( even there is none ) , as long as it stays non-violent . Peaceful .

 

( I know , I deserve some ' laughing emojis ' for that , but anyway ...)

 

When Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip, the Hamas could have chosen to make it into a demonstration of how a peaceful Palestinian state would look like. The went for something else.

 

When the Palestinians were offered a state (UN Partition Plan, 1947) - it was rejected. Following that, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were occupied by Egypt and Jordan for nearly 20 years - the Palestinians made no serious attempt to proclaim statehood or independence. Following the 1967 Israeli conquest and occupation, Palestinians yet again embraced rejectionism for years on end, preferring a futile 'struggle' instead.

 

I think the recent Hamas attack dealt a massive blow to any slim chances remaining that some agreement could be reached on that score.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, nobodysfriend said:

Everybody has the right to worship their own god ( even there is none )

Wise post apart from this bit.

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[Emdog]

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?

Learn about things like reality and facts: the 6 billion is Iranian money that was frozen by the west. If I leave may wallet at your house and collect it later, you are not "giving me" the money inside. You are returning it to the owner. Is that too difficult to fathom?

[HappyExpat57]

4 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?

I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze.

[HappyExpat57]

9 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Learn about things like reality and facts: the 6 billion is Iranian money that was frozen by the west. If I leave may wallet at your house and collect it later, you are not "giving me" the money inside. You are returning it to the owner. Is that too difficult to fathom?

It's difficult to folks who listen to Fox NOT-news.

[rabas]

39 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Learn about things like reality and facts: the 6 billion is Iranian money that was frozen by the west. If I leave may wallet at your house and collect it later, you are not "giving me" the money inside. You are returning it to the owner. Is that too difficult to fathom?

If you already damaged my house and want the money to attack me, I may hold it until it is safe to return it. 

 

If you're already trying to destroy me (as in Russia/Ukraine) I may just give the money to Ukraine.

 

Edited October 14, 2023 by rabas

[jvs]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze.

Yes but it goes well with the maga cult.

[Smokey and the Bandit]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze.

My question was has it been put on hold? Your answer?

"I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze."???????

So you don't know, or you do know?

[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

My question was has it been put on hold? Your answer?

"I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze."???????

So you don't know, or you do know?

YOUR reply to the question

"And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?"

was this:

"The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?"

 

YOUR words indicate the US was going to give Iran $6 billion and I corrected you. You do see that, yes?

[The Theory]

7 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

no longer enforces sanctions against Iran; their oil sales went from less than 500,000 barrels a day to over 3,000,000 barrels

The ayatollahs regime was created 50 years ago as a long term plan for the Middle East. What you see or hear in news is only a theater, not a reality of what purpose they are created for. I really don't want to go through details, but be laden was another created tool (without knowing himself).

Edited October 14, 2023 by The Theory

[bignok]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Iran = horrible government , crazy Ayatollahs , but many nice people in the country .

Israel = horrible government , aggressive policies ( settlers ) , but many nice people in the country .

Palestine = horrible government ( ok , they do not even have a real government ) , but , at  least ,

some nice people in the country , the rest is crazy muslims shouting " Allahu akhba " when they attack ... Hate is deeply embedded in the palestinian society because of suppression .

Give them their own state , that they have their own land to settle , without having to fear being expelled or killed .

Everybody has the right to worship their own god ( even there is none ) , as long as it stays non-violent . Peaceful .

 

( I know , I deserve some ' laughing emojis ' for that , but anyway ...)

US = horrible potus

[mikeymike100]

5 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?

I believe it has been put on hold! I read that Qatar has frozen it. The money was being released from South Korea to Qatar.

Why some other people can't answer a simple question is very odd?

[Smokey and the Bandit]

2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

I believe it has been put on hold! I read that Qatar has frozen it. The money was being released from South Korea to Qatar.

Why some other people can't answer a simple question is very odd?

Thanks! Simple question, simple answer.!

[Smokey and the Bandit]

13 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

YOUR reply to the question

"And what country gives billions of Dollars to Iran?"

was this:

"The USA were going to, 6 Billion $,  hasn't that been put on hold?"

 

YOUR words indicate the US was going to give Iran $6 billion and I corrected you. You do see that, yes?

So you don't know!!????

[Tropposurfer]

6 hours ago, tandor said:

Israel is a recognised state and Hamas is the militant wing of Palestine

 

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I grow weary of correcting this idea. It is NOT US money, it was Iranian money that the US froze.

Correct. But as you and I know Happy a convenient paranoid lie to some is far more palatable than taking the energy and time to find out what is actually the truth and sharing that truth.

 

I searched for other than US news outlets on the issue and found only these US based ones (as a few examples) .. sop I'd say 'reader beware' and do your research!

 

Apart from Trumpist nutters, Russian operatives and their dimwit stooge puppets, it seems that some folks say Pres. Biden in order to lower gas prices relaxed (for a 6 months set period) the sanctions of Iranian oil, this was approved by the Senate, with the view to lowering Russian choking of gas and oil, and the already set-in-place sanctions on Iranian oil (set pre Trump and Biden by the way).

This embargo was set in-concert with the EU, World and Asian Development Bank's, not just by the US alone.

 

These world events all dovetailed into creating the spiralling gas prices (seen worldwide) after the massive worldwide impact on the entire planetary economic balance was shaken to its foundations by Covid. And for those conspirator addicts don't bother telling me this was part of an evil cabal to make us even more slaves to a dark in-the-shadows Orwellian Big Brother.

 

We know its very challenging for Americans to think of the world powers (e.g. oil, banks) acting and making decisions that are not entirely made, or controlled by the USA.  Yes I know this is a shock to some Americans but its actually factually correct.

 

Whichever way you cut it i.e. apolitically, or with a world interactive view of dependence on the middle east for oil we all are under the external control of huge players of world geo-politics, but please God I'm not offering up the bizarre unhinged QAnon option. 

 

The monopolies of the sheiks and Western oil barons needs to be broken.

We are in a difficult time because of our dependence on fossil fuels. 

 

We're dealing with the results of decades of dragging feet, distraction, silence, lie, and ineptitudes by the governments we have elected time and time again because for their cockolding to the world economic giants. We the unwashed masses are merely dependent as an addict is to the needle.

The Russia issues and the oil and gas supply stricture tipped the post Covid strains on supply of oil into the red-zone.

The Iranian embargoes, the periodic recent fiddling and squeezing of Arab oils supplies and their absolute supply control leads to leaps in prices of EVERYTHING. 

 

By the way Biden approved more exploration/drilling leases on US soil to US and other Western drillers than Trump (by a large margin). 

 

https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2023/10/biden-israel-hamas-iran-oil-00120924?source=email

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4252577-why-is-biden-ignoring-irans-influence-in-the-hamas-attacks-its-simple-politics/

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/biden-has-no-choice-but-to-go-to-saudi-arabia.html

 

Seems to me we need to globally forge on, as fast as we can, to develop alternative, mass produceable, cheap, alternative energy sources. 

 

[Tropposurfer]

45 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes but it goes well with the maga cult.

yeah they're sure winning big, and beautiful!!! lol ????????????

[Rimmer]

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