Michael Cohen says he inflated assets to ‘whatever number Trump told us to’

[JCauto]

45 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Now according to you.  It is OK for the government to not go after all false statements but only those of its political opponents. 

The attorney general of New York did not ask the banks for a list of all loan applications to review if there were fraudulent asset values on loan applications or insurance contracts.  IT ASKED ONLY FOR TRUMPS. 

It was exactly as the the head of Stalins secret police said.  

You target the man inspect only his records and then find anything that you believe you can use to persecute him.  

Assuming Trumps asset values were inflated, the bank was being paid, hence it suffered no consequences.  Had the bank lost money and then approached the attorney generals office claiming damage, this would be a different case. 

However the AG did not search all records or a sampling of records.  It targeted Trump specifically.  That sir is weaponizing government against a political adversary. No different than if the IRS is used to subject a political opponent to an extensive audit, or order one of the regulartory agencies to examine only the operation of enterprises of a political opponent. 

Note the banks are FEDERALLY CHARTERED, but it is not the Federal Government bringing charges only the biased NY Attorney General who without any complaint did a gestapo like siezure of bank records and then without any damage to the financial institution or complaint by them brought charges. 

If you can't see the difference, I can only explain it to you, I can't help you with the understanding part.

 

Numerous posters have pointed out the errors in your assumptions, including how a supposed "long-time senior banker" would certainly understand how the law works and how these were fraudulent transactions which have tax implications and how the individual banks do not have the power or responsibility to bring charges against fraudsters, only the Department of Justice and its officers at the different administration levels do. You have steadfastly refused to address those fundamental flaws in your position; you just keep repeating your mantra and going immediately to whataboutisms that are fundamentally irrelevant to this case. You also keep attempting to paint the DOJ as being weaponized towards Trump when there were Republican-appointed Judges involved in these proceedings as well as Democrat-appointed ones. Both have the rights to do this in that system - all judges have to be approved by the elected legislatures, and you're not allowed to "shop" for favourable judges. Trump has managed to get one of those in one of his cases too, should that case be automatically dismissed as being politically biased?

Your inability to frame logical arguments based on legal precedent and to provide believable anecdotes from your supposed experience as a Banker has led many of us to believe that you are hoarding something in great quantities, but it's not money.

[In Full Agreement]

On 10/25/2023 at 10:20 AM, pomchop said:

You best stick to banking as you clearly do not understand the law. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Do banks typically just take the word of the borrower as to how much their assets are worth?

 

Why is the state not going after the bank that colluded with Trump to loan him the money illegally?

 

How much did Trump have to bribe the loan officer?  

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do banks typically just take the word of the borrower as to how much their assets are worth?

 

Why is the state not going after the bank that colluded with Trump to loan him the money illegally?

 

How much did Trump have to bribe the loan officer?  

Deutsche Bank certainly paid a pretty price for dealing with Trump, but do you have any evidence that in this current Trump fraud case the bank ‘colluded’?

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/08/what-went-wrong-at-deutsche-bank

[Presnock]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Nobody questions Trump's 2016 vote totals.

wrong!  Trump and the MAGAites all question the vote totals...according Trump  close office folks, he questioned the totals even before the election was over.

[Presnock]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Do banks typically just take the word of the borrower as to how much their assets are worth?

 

Why is the state not going after the bank that colluded with Trump to loan him the money illegally?

 

How much did Trump have to bribe the loan officer?  

Ther isn't anything about colluding - Trump over valued all his assets when applying for the loans and yes they were repaid BUT, by over inflating the assets that is fraud - then, on top of that, when it came to paying tax on those same assets, Trump and co. under valued said assets.  The law doesn't state from what I have heard about people having to lose money from the loans but the fact

that the values were not even close to being accurate!  We are talking 100's of time more valuable as Trump wanted to be high on the

Forbes magazine US richest billionaires! All this is from the trial and people under oath.  When he is not under oath he lies but when

he swears in court he claims the 5th amendment so they can't get him for lying!

[Danderman123]

We have one Trump fan here who doesn't care about Trump's fraud, he only worries about the extent of the damages.

 

If banks don't care about the statements that loan applicants give them, then another crash is inevitable.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Now according to you.  It is OK for the government to not go after all false statements but only those of its political opponents. 

The attorney general of New York did not ask the banks for a list of all loan applications to review if there were fraudulent asset values on loan applications or insurance contracts.  IT ASKED ONLY FOR TRUMPS. 

It was exactly as the the head of Stalins secret police said.  

You target the man inspect only his records and then find anything that you believe you can use to persecute him.  

Assuming Trumps asset values were inflated, the bank was being paid, hence it suffered no consequences.  Had the bank lost money and then approached the attorney generals office claiming damage, this would be a different case. 

However the AG did not search all records or a sampling of records.  It targeted Trump specifically.  That sir is weaponizing government against a political adversary. No different than if the IRS is used to subject a political opponent to an extensive audit, or order one of the regulartory agencies to examine only the operation of enterprises of a political opponent. 

Note the banks are FEDERALLY CHARTERED, but it is not the Federal Government bringing charges only the biased NY Attorney General who without any complaint did a gestapo like siezure of bank records and then without any damage to the financial institution or complaint by them brought charges. 

If you can't see the difference, I can only explain it to you, I can't help you with the understanding part. 

You never show this picture when you comment the GOP committee investigation about Biden. Why that?

Oh! I understand! After years of investigation, they Haven't found any crime!  😄

Edited October 30, 2023 by candide

[Georgealbert]

This is the man pleading his innocences.

 

Outside his circus of lies, the bully shows what a coward he is.

 

Lets see if he does the same on 6 November, under oath.

 

If you Trump fans cannot see through this con man, I have no comments that are printable.

 

 

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, JCauto said:

 

Numerous posters have pointed out the errors in your assumptions, including how a supposed "long-time senior banker" would certainly understand how the law works and how these were fraudulent transactions which have tax implications and how the individual banks do not have the power or responsibility to bring charges against fraudsters, only the Department of Justice and its officers at the different administration levels do. You have steadfastly refused to address those fundamental flaws in your position; you just keep repeating your mantra and going immediately to whataboutisms that are fundamentally irrelevant to this case. You also keep attempting to paint the DOJ as being weaponized towards Trump when there were Republican-appointed Judges involved in these proceedings as well as Democrat-appointed ones. Both have the rights to do this in that system - all judges have to be approved by the elected legislatures, and you're not allowed to "shop" for favourable judges. Trump has managed to get one of those in one of his cases too, should that case be automatically dismissed as being politically biased?

Your inability to frame logical arguments based on legal precedent and to provide believable anecdotes from your supposed experience as a Banker has led many of us to believe that you are hoarding something in great quantities, but it's not money.

The "logic" of someone trying to defend a con man has no relationship to reality or truth.  Maybe they sent him some donations to pay his legal bills for which he said thanks and promptly put the $$ in his personal account.  The least he could do is to send them another packet of kool aide.  See no evil, Hear no evil...the mantra of a true cult.

[Longwood50]

1 hour ago, candide said:

You never show this picture when you comment the GOP committee investigation about Biden. Why that?

Oh! I understand! After years of investigation, they Haven't found any crime

I wouldn't agree. 

With Biden you have a clear picture of money flowing from the Unkraine and China to Biden family members.  You have testimony from Hunters business parters that Joe Biden knew full well of his sons business dealings and was meeting with those business associates and it was clear that influence peddling was taking place. 

You have Hunter Biden flying on Air Force 2 attending meetings following the flights with Chinese and Ukrainian officials. 

That is totally and completely different than a states attorney general singling out his tax returns, mortgages, or papers submitted to financial institutions without any cause at all. 

 

[Longwood50]

4 hours ago, JCauto said:

Your inability to frame logical arguments based on legal precedent and to provide believable anecdotes from your supposed experience as a Banker has led many of us to believe that you are hoarding something in great quantities, but it's not money.

Name 1 just 1 other person or company that the DOJ of New York has even investigated for filing fraudulent financial statements WITH THE BANK NOT FILING A COMPLAINT

 

It is true that banks can not bring fraud charges.  However they go to the regulatory agencies to file complaints.  They did not.  The attorney general SINGLED OUT Trump ignoring all others.  That is weaponizing the government agency to punish a political adversary. 

This same thing was done under Stalin.  The targets were political enemies.  If the AG of NY was truly interested in bank fraud the investigation would be wide spread and cover a significant number of cases of fraud and filing of false financial statements.  IT DID NOT.  IT SOLELY FOCUSED ON TRUMP.  



Great Purge, also called purge trials, three widely publicized show trials and a series of closed, unpublicized trials held in the Soviet Union during the late 1930s, in which many prominent Old Bolsheviks were found guilty of treason and executed or imprisoned. All the evidence presented in court was derived from preliminary examinations of the defendants and from their confessions. It was subsequently established that the accused were innocent, that the cases were fabricated by the secret police

[Longwood50]

This is nothing but history repeating itself.  Using the governent to soley go after a poltiical adversary in a show trial.  There was no complaint by the bank and the AG of New York did not seek any information on any other business or person who similarly may have suspect asset values.  The bank was being paid and asset values have if anything skyrocketed.  


Stalin
In three widely publicized show trials (1936–38), The trials eliminated such potential rivals and critics of Stalin as Nikolay Bukharin, Lev Kamenev, Aleksey Rykov, Mikhayl Tukhachevsky, Genrikh Yagoda, and Grigory Zinovyev but earned worldwide condemnation.

This trial and the January 6 one have only one purpose.  To eliminate a political adversary. 

[Eric Loh]

52 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

This is nothing but history repeating itself.  Using the governent to soley go after a poltiical adversary in a show trial.  There was no complaint by the bank and the AG of New York did not seek any information on any other business or person who similarly may have suspect asset values.  The bank was being paid and asset values have if anything skyrocketed.  


Stalin
In three widely publicized show trials (1936–38), The trials eliminated such potential rivals and critics of Stalin as Nikolay Bukharin, Lev Kamenev, Aleksey Rykov, Mikhayl Tukhachevsky, Genrikh Yagoda, and Grigory Zinovyev but earned worldwide condemnation.

This trial and the January 6 one have only one purpose.  To eliminate a political adversary. 

 

Will leave you alone in your sandbox to play with your imaginary friends. 

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

I wouldn't agree. 

With Biden you have a clear picture of money flowing from the Unkraine and China to Biden family members.  You have testimony from Hunters business parters that Joe Biden knew full well of his sons business dealings and was meeting with those business associates and it was clear that influence peddling was taking place. 

You have Hunter Biden flying on Air Force 2 attending meetings following the flights with Chinese and Ukrainian officials. 

That is totally and completely different than a states attorney general singling out his tax returns, mortgages, or papers submitted to financial institutions without any cause at all. 

 

Think you need to turn off Fox news and try the real world,

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

That is a false equivalent.  If someone reported the drunk driver there is probable cause.  However it is patently illegal in the USA for law enforcement to target a specific person and only check his blood alcohol level while ignoring all others. 

The attorney general of New York ONLY looked at Trump.  The bank did not initiate the complaint.  They singled out Trump asked for the records, then based claims that the valuations were not correct.  First off valuations are very subjective.  One way or another THE BANK accepted them.  As a banker I can tell you we do our own due dillegence when financial statements are presented. 

So according to your "logic" and I use that term loosely it is OK for the government to seek out only one person and examine their behavior, past actions, and obtain all records to see if a crime has been committed. 

Does the book 1984 and BIG BROTHER sound familiar to you. 

Ok, it seems you have moved from your position of "no injury, no crime" to one of Trump being uniquely picked upon. 

 

Trump's fraud isn't nearly as common as drunk driving or speeding.  However just because a crime is unusual doesn't mean it should go unprosecuted.  There was plenty of evidence of Trump being fast and loose with numbers and of Deutsche Bank being involved in money laundering.  Someone finally looked and found obvious fraud.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Really? 

The country was already divided long before the left tried to overthrow the 2016 election, which was in Obama's secong term, yes? 

The left tried to overthrow the 2016 election?  I'd love to see your sources for that ridiculous claim.  And, in anticipating your answer, Hillary Clinton stating that Russian involvement in the election de-legitimized the results doesn't count as an attempted overthrow.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, heybruce said:

Ok, it seems you have moved from your position of "no injury, no crime" to one of Trump being uniquely picked upon. 

 

Trump's fraud isn't nearly as common as drunk driving or speeding.  However just because a crime is unusual doesn't mean it should go unprosecuted.  There was plenty of evidence of Trump being fast and loose with numbers and of Deutsche Bank being involved in money laundering.  Someone finally looked and found obvious fraud.

 

Really? You think there are more people that drive drunk than lie on loan applications? Speeding maybe. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The left tried to overthrow the 2016 election?  I'd love to see your sources for that ridiculous claim.  And, in anticipating your answer, Hillary Clinton stating that Russian involvement in the election de-legitimized the results doesn't count as an attempted overthrow.

Nothing the left does counts, we know. 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Really? You think there are more people that drive drunk than lie on loan applications? Speeding maybe. 

 

 

I've never lied on a loan application.  I don't know anyone who has.

 

I wonder why you think it's common.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I've never lied on a loan application.  I don't know anyone who has.

 

I wonder why you think it's common.

Have you ever driven drunk? Is that why you think it's common? 

 

Have you NEVER made a late payment? If so, you lied on the application. 

 

[Longwood50]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Ok, it seems you have moved from your position of "no injury, no crime" to one of Trump being uniquely picked upon. 

No I have not moved from my position.  I said that the banks and I repeat that did not file a complaint.  Now as to a crime, there are crimes that are typically prosecuted and those that are typically ignored. 

With Hunter Biden he committed a crime by signing the form to purchase a gun.  Those crimes are typically not prosecuted. 

With bank "fraud" unless the bank has suffered a financial loss due to misrepresentation, using James Comey words about Hillary Clinton ' NO REASONABLE PROSECUTOR WOULD BRING THE CASE" 

 

What you are proposing is that it is OK for the government to "target" an individual.   It is ok to break into his home as see if you find anything incriminating.  It is ok to have the IRS scrutinize not the tax returns of all citizens but to flyspeck one persons tax returns in particular.  

In this case it is without question that the NY Attorney General had no interest in Bank Fraud.  She had an agenda to find a crime to charge Trump with.  They went through his foundation, his tax returns, and lastly his bank transactions.  That sir is the very epitomy of weaponizing government.  The State of NY has unlimited funds and people resources.  

As I have repeatedly said, if this is not political targeting, Name 1 just 1 company or individual that the AG of NY has investigated for filing inflated financial statements when the bank did not incur a loss or file a complaint.  If you can't it is case closed.  This was the government weaponizing one of its departments to bludgeon a person who they hated politically.  Stalin, Hitler, did it similar. 

China state run newspaper viewing the Trump indictments said the following

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

I wouldn't agree. 

With Biden you have a clear picture of money flowing from the Unkraine and China to Biden family members.  You have testimony from Hunters business parters that Joe Biden knew full well of his sons business dealings and was meeting with those business associates and it was clear that influence peddling was taking place. 

You have Hunter Biden flying on Air Force 2 attending meetings following the flights with Chinese and Ukrainian officials. 

That is totally and completely different than a states attorney general singling out his tax returns, mortgages, or papers submitted to financial institutions without any cause at all. 

 

There is no clear picture. There is no evidence.

 

You simply parrot whatever your leaders tell you to believe.

 

Beria would be proud of you.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

I wouldn't agree. 

With Biden you have a clear picture of money flowing from the Unkraine and China to Biden family members.  You have testimony from Hunters business parters that Joe Biden knew full well of his sons business dealings and was meeting with those business associates and it was clear that influence peddling was taking place. 

You have Hunter Biden flying on Air Force 2 attending meetings following the flights with Chinese and Ukrainian officials. 

That is totally and completely different than a states attorney general singling out his tax returns, mortgages, or papers submitted to financial institutions without any cause at all. 

 

So no crime found, despite years of investigations, and every time they claimed they had a smoking gun, it failed miserably.

[Jai Dee]

A reported troll meme and a couple of replies in violation of our Community Standards have been removed.

[Longwood50]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

There is no clear picture. There is no evidence.

You are the one that despite overwhelming evidence of influence peddling refuses to accept it. 

Common sense if you had any would tell you that no organization or country would ever give Hunter Biden a dime if not for his father. 

As to evidence you seem to ignore what has already been discovered and testified to.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12356923/Hunter-Bidens-business-partner-Devon-Archer-arrives-bombshell-testimony-Joes-involvement-shady-business-deals-DOJ-accused-trying-jail-talk.html

 

 Now I find Joe Bidens assertion that he never had any knoweldge of his son's business transactions a far greater cime that if Trump overvalued Mar Lar Go.   

Buty like most liberals you are hypocrites willing to let Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, and Sandy Berger committ crimes and sweep them under the rug.  But go out of your way to use government to use its power to investigate a private citizen when no complaint has been filed.  No

[Longwood50]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

So no crime found, despite years of investigations, and every time they claimed they had a smoking gun, it failed miserably.

All that proves is that they have been clever in concealing their crime.  As said, common sense tells you that Hunter Biden wouldn't receive the time of day for his efforts if he was not influence peddling his father.  

They have already uncovered over $20 million flowing to the Biden family.  

Now you pillary Trump for perhaps overvaluing assets but I see no public outcry against Hunter Biden who filed FALSE TAX RETURNS 

[CartagenaWarlock]

On 10/24/2023 at 8:58 PM, Longwood50 said:

Do you really believe if someone, anyone walked into a bank and said, hey look I have properties worth $10 billion dollars that the bank would not question the validity of them and take them the valuation at face value. 

No person with Trump's wealth walks into a bank. I believe the defense lawyers have more experts to analyze how a loan for a wealthy person like Trump is done and approved. They don't need expert opinions of a person who fled 10,000 miles, possibly to seek a bride and live like a refuge in a foreign country using "wify visa" .

Edited October 30, 2023 by CartagenaWarlock

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

No I have not moved from my position.  I said that the banks and I repeat that did not file a complaint.  Now as to a crime, there are crimes that are typically prosecuted and those that are typically ignored. 

With Hunter Biden he committed a crime by signing the form to purchase a gun.  Those crimes are typically not prosecuted. 

With bank "fraud" unless the bank has suffered a financial loss due to misrepresentation, using James Comey words about Hillary Clinton ' NO REASONABLE PROSECUTOR WOULD BRING THE CASE" 

 

What you are proposing is that it is OK for the government to "target" an individual.   It is ok to break into his home as see if you find anything incriminating.  It is ok to have the IRS scrutinize not the tax returns of all citizens but to flyspeck one persons tax returns in particular.  

In this case it is without question that the NY Attorney General had no interest in Bank Fraud.  She had an agenda to find a crime to charge Trump with.  They went through his foundation, his tax returns, and lastly his bank transactions.  That sir is the very epitomy of weaponizing government.  The State of NY has unlimited funds and people resources.  

As I have repeatedly said, if this is not political targeting, Name 1 just 1 company or individual that the AG of NY has investigated for filing inflated financial statements when the bank did not incur a loss or file a complaint.  If you can't it is case closed.  This was the government weaponizing one of its departments to bludgeon a person who they hated politically.  Stalin, Hitler, did it similar. 

China state run newspaper viewing the Trump indictments said the following

"What you are proposing is that it is OK for the government to "target" an individual."

 

I never posted that, but I have no problem with the press and prosecutors targeting people who are running for, or in, elected office for exceptional scrutiny.

 

 "It is ok to break into his home as see if you find anything incriminating. "

 

I never posted that, and I don't see how you reached that paranoid conclusion.  Searches must come with legally obtained warrants.

 

"It is ok to have the IRS scrutinize not the tax returns of all citizens but to flyspeck one persons tax returns in particular."

 

I'm not sure, but I think the IRS does do random checks, as well as targeting returns with unusual claims regarding finances.   

 

Trump actively seeks the spotlight while engaging in fraud.  Trump is a fool.

 

 

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

All that proves is that they have been clever in concealing their crime.  As said, common sense tells you that Hunter Biden wouldn't receive the time of day for his efforts if he was not influence peddling his father.  

They have already uncovered over $20 million flowing to the Biden family.  

Now you pillary Trump for perhaps overvaluing assets but I see no public outcry against Hunter Biden who filed FALSE TAX RETURNS 

If Hunter Biden committed crimes then he should be prosecuted.  Happy?

 

Now show us your evidence that President Biden was involved in those crimes.