The Gun powder Plot.

[BarraMarra]

Today in the UK we celebrate a piece of History that could have changed England forever. In 1605 on the Evening of the 4th of November Guy Fawkes was discovered hiding in a cellar below the Houses of Parliament. He was caught with 36 Barrels of gunpowder.  It became known as the Gunpowder Plot. A lot of people think it was Guy Fawkes alone but it was over a Dozen plotters. The main plotter was Robert Catesby he devised and planned the attack along with his second in command Thomas Percy. His intention was to kill King James and the entire members of Parliment and House of Lords due to them being Protestant and a hatred for Catholics. His plan was to destroy the lot in 1 go. Guy Fawkes was brought in because of his expertise of Gunpowder. he was caught hours before he lit the fuse. At the Tower of London Fawkes was Tortured to identify the conspirators using the Rack. After 3 days of Torture Fawkes was broken and identified the plotters who had escaped London to the Midlands. In a remarkable piece of history, Fawkes's confession was written and is in the Archives His signature is clearly visible as Guido Fawkes and 3 days after he signed the same document but was clearly unable to write his name. He was due traitor's death hung drawn and quartered and his head was displayed as a warning to others. He had other plans and foiled the gruesome fate. As he stood on the Scaffold he stepped higher up so when he dropped he died instantly. King James ordered everyone to light a bonfire and place an Effigy of a Catholic on the bonfire and today this tradition carries on with fireworks depicting what the plotters could have achieved if they were successful. Children now sing Remember Remember the Fifth of November Gunpowder Treason and Plot.

[norfolkandchance]

[KhunLA]

Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta

[save the frogs]

Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh, who would ever want to be king?

 

 

 

[xylophone]

50 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta

Agree and yet another one of my favourite movies...........now you mention it and the fact that it is Nov 5th, I will watch it again tonight. Thank you!

[Eff1n2ret]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

King James ordered everyone to light a bonfire and place an Effigy of a Catholic on the bonfire

They don't burn Catholics any more, even in effigy, thank goodness. I was amused to see a report that a village in Kent is this year burning an effigy of Sadiq Khan, the much-despised London Mayor, because of his punitive taxation of motorists.

[BarraMarra]

Its not about fav movies its about History in England. but as the yanks dont have history like we have sums em up changing the thread. they can't go back that far.

[BarraMarra]

Why do members on here feel the need to ruin a Topic. If you are interested in it move on.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta

 

I highly disrecommend that movie.

 

It might put stupid ideas in your head and you will do sth stupid and get yourself killed. 

 

[save the frogs]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Why do members on here feel the need to ruin a Topic. If you are interested in it move on.

 

Because we're revolutionaries.

We like to take over the joint. 

 

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, Eff1n2ret said:

They don't burn Catholics any more, even in effigy, thank goodness. I was amused to see a report that a village in Kent is this year burning an effigy of Sadiq Khan, the much-despised London Mayor, because of his punitive taxation of motorists.

 

Not so despised that he hasn't won two  free and fair elections for the role.

 

Punitive means something different to what you think it means.

[billd766]

Remember, Remember, the 5th of November lyrics

 

Remember, remember, the 5th of November,

Gunpowder, treason and plot.

I see no reason

Why gunpowder treason

Should ever be forgot.

Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent

To blow up the King and the Parliament

Three score barrels of powder below

Poor old England to overthrow

By God's providence he was catch'd

With a dark lantern and burning match

Holler boys, holler boys, let the bells ring

Holler boys, holler boys

God save the King!

 

An old nursery rhyme I remember from when I was a little boy.

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by billd766

[BarraMarra]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

Because we're revolutionaries.

We like to take over the joint. 

 

And spoil threads.

[norfolkandchance]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta

Nah maté, science fiction.

 

[save the frogs]

46 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

And spoil threads.

 

A couple of comments does not spoil a thread.

Although I have overdone it in a few threads.

 

I haven't spoiled anything here. You triggered people to bring up V For Vendetta, which is directly linked to your topic. That film was inspired by that incident. 

 

And I tried to chime in with my philosophical opinion about that film, but sometimes I'm too deep for most of you people. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

His signature is clearly visible as Guido Fawkes and 3 days after he signed the same document but was clearly unable to write his name.

 

Why would his signature be clearly visible as Guido if his name was Guy?

 

If it quacks like a duck .

 

I just watched a video about it. All sorts of red flags. Like they claimed they built a tunnel to Parliament, but then that wasn't true. Forged documents, confessions under torture, spies .... way way way too much intrigue. 

 

This is almost certainly a distorted historical event for which we will probably never know what really happened.

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by save the frogs

[BarraMarra]

His full name was Guy Fawkes. While fighting for the Spanish they called him Guido. Why is it distorted? Documents are kept in the records written during the plot and the confession signed by Guy Fawkes. Even the letter that was written warning a member to stay away from Parliament that day. It was most likely written by a plot member called Francis Tresham.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

His full name was Guy Fawkes. While fighting for the Spanish they called him Guido. Why is it distorted?

 

Ok for the name.

 

It's because I just watched this video ... there seems to be too many weird things about this event.

 

He concludes that it was a govt conspiracy and that the govt is evil and will stoop to anything.

But I don't believe him and neither am I convinced that we know what really happened.

As far as I'm concerned, it appears to be an historical event shrouded in mystery. 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by save the frogs

[2baht]

12 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Because we're revolutionaries.

We like to take over the joint. 

 

 

     Release the hounds!

[BarraMarra]

Another conspiracy nut job from a Yank.  Next, you will tell me Henry V1 didn't behead a few of his wives.

Edited November 6, 2023 by BarraMarra

[VocalNeal]

Wasn't the target King James and not the democratic assembly🤔

[youreavinalaff]

31 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Another conspiracy nut job from a Yank.  Next, you will tell me Henry V1 didn't behead a few of his wives.

He didn't.

 

Henry VIII did though.

[Paul Catton]

23 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta

Watched it last night, screened on a "freeview" NZ, TV channel. 

Brilliant. 

[topt]

On 11/5/2023 at 8:01 PM, RuamRudy said:

Punitive means something different to what you think it means.

Really...? 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/punitive

 

Quote

intended as a punishment:

I think (but could of course be wrong) that is exactly the meaning the poster intended.

[BarraMarra]

On 11/6/2023 at 6:50 AM, VocalNeal said:

Wasn't the target King James and not the democratic assembly🤔

Yes it was Neal but the Plotters wanted all protestants killed that day so they could raise a Catholic army to steal the Throne from Jmes.

[BarraMarra]

More Pomp and Pageantry today. The official opening of Parliament the day in 1605 when the Gun powder plot was foiled. The king will arrive at the House of Lords to deliver his speech. He is not allowed to walk through the House of Commons so he uses a different door to enter the House of Lords. Once all the government and all other parties are requested to hear his speech they file from the House of Commons where the Door is slammed shut barring them from Entering The House of Lords. A quirky Historical event then happens " Black Rod " approaches the door and knocks on the door 3 times that's when they are allowed into the House of Lords to hear the King's speech. Since 1605 a member of Parliament checks the Cellers underneath Parliament even to this day.

[lungbing]

On 11/6/2023 at 2:03 PM, youreavinalaff said:

He didn't.

 

Henry VIII did though.

Only two out of the six, that's not even a majority!

 

We were taught at school:-

Divorced, beheaded, died,

divorced, beheaded, survived.

 

[youreavinalaff]

2 hours ago, lungbing said:

Only two out of the six, that's not even a majority!

 

We were taught at school:-

Divorced, beheaded, died,

divorced, beheaded, survived.

 

Yes, that is what I was taught 

 

My response was mainly due to the king bring incorrect. 

 

I'm sure Henry VIII would have beheaded more if he'd had too. 🤣🤣🤣

[Chomper Higgot]

A dear friend of mine was a pupil at St Peters, York.

 

On the subject of Guy Fawkes he remarked:

 

“We didn’t have a  Guy Fawkes bonfire at school, One doesn’t burn old boys”

[Eff1n2ret]

16 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

A quirky Historical event then happens " Black Rod " approaches the door and knocks on the door 3 times that's when they are allowed into the House of Lords to hear the King's speech.

Sorry, that's not quite correct. Black Rod is sent from the House of Lords to summon the Members of the House of Commons to the Lords. As he approaches the Commons the door is slammed shut, and he (or she, as the present incumbent is female) knocks three times for it to be opened, so that the summons can be issued. Just a symbol of the traditional independence of the Commons from the Monarchy.