Queers for Palestine is apparently a thing

[sirineou]

Just now, Morch said:

That aside, this topic is, I think, about the obvious gap between gays supporting a regime which actively oppresses gay people.

Well you should be offended too. 

A they do not support "A regime which actively oppresses gay people" 

As I said "all Hamas might be Palestinian, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.'

To think otherwise it's a logical fallacy. 

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Oh behave.

I never said gay people or any other people are a monolith.

Stop the sleazy games.

And I never said you did.

Perhaps you need to stop the sleazy game of putting words in my mouth 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

Well you should be offended too. 

A they do not support "A regime which actively oppresses gay people" 

As I said "all Hamas might be Palestinian, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.'

To think otherwise it's a logical fallacy. 

You've got to be kidding! It's almost as bad for queers on the west bank. Duh. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

And I never said you did.

Perhaps you need to stop the sleazy game of putting words in my mouth 

You actually did.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You've got to be kidding! It's almost as bad for queers on the west bank. Duh. 

Palestinians like Gay people are many things. To try and bush all people with one brush is in my opinion beyond the pale.

also trying to define  me as "sleaze" because I disagree with you is IMO Outrageous and you need to apologize. 

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You actually did.

just saying so, does not make it so. 

[Speedhump]

Of course it's a thing. People are stupid. The queers joining a pro ceasefire (pro Hamas) rally in London were attacked by the Muslims at the protest.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Palestinians like Gay people are many things. To try and bush all people with one brush is in my opinion beyond the pale.

also trying to define  me as "sleaze" because I disagree with you is IMO Outrageous and you need to apologize. 

The gay ones in Gaza and the West Bank either need to be totally closeted or be jailed or murdered by their government or family, or flee to Israel to seek asylum elsewhere as sadly Israel doesn't easily offer asylum to them. So Israel isn't perfect but it's massively better for queer people than any other Arab or Muslim country is.

Queers for Palestine have lost the plot if they even had a plot to start with.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Speedhump said:

Of course it's a thing. People are stupid. The queers joining a pro ceasefire (pro Hamas) rally in London were attacked by the Muslims at the protest.

I hope those queer fools learned a lesson.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

just saying so, does not make it so. 

Ever heard of obvious implicit meaning?

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Ever heard of obvious implicit meaning?

ever heard of " Until you apologise I am done talking to you?

[Jingthing]

Just now, sirineou said:

ever heard of " Until you apologise I am done talking to you?

Then we're done. A big loss it's not.

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Well you should be offended too. 

A they do not support "A regime which actively oppresses gay people" 

As I said "all Hamas might be Palestinian, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.'

To think otherwise it's a logical fallacy. 

 

I know what you posted. The PA is also not very 'open minded' when it comes to gay people and their rights. Hamas is worse. They are oppressed in both, to a different degree.

[sirineou]

As I said, Gay people are many things not just gay, and as such so is the OP

IMO I dont think it is his sexual orientation that affects his opinion but rather his ethnicity , 

[ChipButty]

Iran has executed two gay men who were convicted on charges of sodomy and spent six years on death row, a rights group reported. Homosexuality is illegal in Iran, which is considered one of the most repressive places in the world for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

 

Last July, two other men were executed on the same charges in Maragheh, the group said. It added that last year, Iran executed 299 people, including four convicted of crimes committed as children. Also in 2021, Iran sentenced 85 people to death.

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, sirineou said:

As I said, Gay people are many things not just gay, and as such so is the OP

IMO I dont think it is his sexual orientation that affects his opinion but rather his ethnicity , 

 

So the question remains as how to people manage this balancing act. I should think it possible for sexual orientation. ethnicity, moral positions, religion all to be in play. It's not like there has to be a singe factor determining this.

[ChipButty]

the law student who had said she was against Israel says that she doesn't want to be Palestinian. i would have liked to heard more from her on that apparent contradiction.

[JustAnotherHun]

Queers for Palestine....

...and chickens for KFC

[jak2002003]

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

So the question remains as how to people manage this balancing act. I should think it possible for sexual orientation. ethnicity, moral positions, religion all to be in play. It's not like there has to be a singe factor determining this.

I agree. But it's hard for a gay person to defend or side with a county that would happily kill them for being gay. 

 

It is wrong that innocent children are getting killed, but most of the adults would want me and other gay people dead. 

 

Would you help someone that would then turn around and kill you? 

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I agree. But it's hard for a gay person to defend or side with a county that would happily kill them for being gay. 

 

It is wrong that innocent children are getting killed, but most of the adults would want me and other gay people dead. 

 

Would you help someone that would then turn around and kill you? 

 

I think there ought to be a way for the support to be nuanced, or more clearly defined.

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

As I said, Gay people are many things not just gay, and as such so is the OP

IMO I dont think it is his sexual orientation that affects his opinion but rather his ethnicity , 

Pin the Jew. You're really charming.

[sirineou]

14 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

So the question remains as how to people manage this balancing act. I should think it possible for sexual orientation. ethnicity, moral positions, religion all to be in play. It's not like there has to be a singe factor determining this.

But you all seem to think so. 

Unless I misunderstood the consensus seems to be that, "Hamas hates Homosexuals , and as such Gays should not support Palestinians.Like all Palestinians are the same as Hamas on that subject. 

But even if they were. that' s on them.!! What Palestinians think , should not affect what Gay people think. They have a mind of their own and can think on their own. 

But even if all Palestinians hated Gays , does that give licence for the Israelis to do what they are doing?

And Gays should remain quiet. Some would not like it, others might not like it , but do not like what Israel is doing more. Like everyone else, they are people , and as such have divergent opinions.

As I said I find it disturbing that not only many in the general population adhere to stereotypes  of gay behaviour, but as it seems some gay people also ( at least one seem

s to do) 

 

[ChipButty]

The other day that pride flag didn't last long, 

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, sirineou said:

But you all seem to think so. 

Unless I misunderstood the consensus seems to be that, "Hamas hates Homosexuals , and as such Gays should not support Palestinians.Like all Palestinians are the same as Hamas on that subject. 

But even if they were. that' s on them.!! What Palestinians think , should not affect what Gay people think. They have a mind of their own and can think on their own. 

But even if all Palestinians hated Gays , does that give licence for the Israelis to do what they are doing?

And Gays should remain quiet. Some would not like it, others might not like it , but do not like what Israel is doing more. Like everyone else, they are people , and as such have divergent opinions.

As I said I find it disturbing that not only many in the general population adhere to stereotypes  of gay behaviour, but as it seems some gay people also ( at least one seem

s to do) 

 

 

What collective 'you all' are you referring to ?

 

I suggest you read my posts. I was quite clear that I think a whole lot of facets and personal points of view can be involved.

 

From the outside, sure - it does seem incredulous that queer people will support Hamas, and to a lesser degree the PA/Palestinian/Palestine.

 

Why should Palestinian views on queers not be a consideration for queers when weighing whether to support them or not? I'm not saying it should or should not be the main consideration, but why the apparent insistence on excluding it altogether?

 

I don't think you really have issues with stereotypes, as they come up often enough on your own posts (even in recent exchanges).

 

 

 

[animalmagic]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

From the OP  , I thought they were for palestinians,In fact the placard says " Queers for Palestine " 

All Hamas (at least most) are Palestinians, but all Palestinian are not Hamas. 

 

Look homosexuals are people like everyone else, and have the right to their own opinions. And I got news for you. they are much more that just gay. Their sexuality is only one aspect of their lives and is not the only defining aspect.  They have compassion for others regardless what other are. If they are evil , as you all claim Palestinians are and don't deserve gay peoples compasion, that is the Palestinians issue.Not the gay people issue. 

Gay people and for that matter all people should  and often  do the right thing regardless what others do.  or think. 

Actuary I am offended that anyone would think that gay people are monolithic, and their sexuality defines everything they  perceive, think, and do, 

Not all Palestinians are Moslem.  Palestine, as a location not a country, was run under a British mandate granted by the League of Nations (forerunner to the UN).  From the end of WWI various elements of the Ottoman Empire were given to the victors and the area called Palestine was given to Britain to administer until the state of Israel was created in 1948.  Up to that time it was inhabited by both Jewish and Moslem tribes; therefore not all Palestinians are Moslem, some are Jewish!  There are also a few million moslems living happily and peacefully in Israel today.  How many Jews are living happily and peacefully in the Arab states surrounding Israel?  The numbers are recorded to be very small and probably less than a couple of hundred.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

Not all Palestinians are Moslem.  Palestine, as a location not a country, was run under a British mandate granted by the League of Nations (forerunner to the UN).  From the end of WWI various elements of the Ottoman Empire were given to the victors and the area called Palestine was given to Britain to administer until the state of Israel was created in 1948.  Up to that time it was inhabited by both Jewish and Moslem tribes; therefore not all Palestinians are Moslem, some are Jewish!  There are also a few million moslems living happily and peacefully in Israel today.  How many Jews are living happily and peacefully in the Arab states surrounding Israel?  The numbers are recorded to be very small and probably less than a couple of hundred.

Yep.

Ethnic cleansing.

Of Jews.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, animalmagic said:

therefore not all Palestinians are Moslem, some are Jewish! 

and many were Christians until they were forced to leave. 

There used to be between 15-20% depending on who your source. now they are les that 2%

[sirineou]

10 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

here are also a few million moslems living happily and peacefully in Israel today.

Not sure about the "Happily", unless you enjoy being a second class citizen

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Not sure about the "Happily", unless you enjoy being a second class citizen

 

Thought you had issues with stereotypes.

Anyway, doubt most are interested in trading their Israeli citizenship for a Palestinian, or most Arab ones.

And no, I'm not denying there's discrimination, racism and all that - just that realty is more complex than slogans.

[Bday Prang]

                      The rights and wrongs of what is happening  over there, what ever they may be, now  count for nothing The "woke" overlords  have decided  who the victims are, and the usual woke enforcers are as usual, doing their level best to vilify Israel, Its a little bit difficult for them baring in mind the atrocities committed by the "victims" which started all this. 

                      Interesting that they use the word "queers" and do not refer to the "homosexual community" or  "gay people" to me that is an indication that these are not your average "run of the mill" gay people, rather they are firstly and foremost members of the growing number of hardcore activists who seem to spend their entire lives looking for excuses to cause trouble, 

                       Other known trouble makers have also come out in sympathy, BLM and the Socialist Workers, to name just two, on the the other hand, as there are only so many unemployed idiots at large, there should be a slight reduction in "just stop oil" type protests as their manpower  may now be a bit stretched, as no doubt some of their activists along with other professional trouble makers   start to gravitate  to this brand new cause