If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

Me? I love a big hunk of flesh. I will deliberately make a point of pushing all that green crap to the side of the plate.

This just is not true. Vegetarians can be perfectly healthy. If the people to which you refer are ill, it's probably because of a whole host of other problems, may or may not be food related.

I posted in the other thread...

I agree that we are omnivores, but as I have posted already, I try to keep my meat intake to a reasonable amount and balance my diet with copious amounts of veggies, salad, etc. I love food (a bit too much!) and try to enjoy a varied diet.

Of course it's not true, my simple friend. It's extremely exaggerated poetic license to make a highly biased point. For effect.

*sigh*

I'm wasted around here. I truly am.

A number on here are wasted.........nearly every day.

A number on here are wasted.........nearly every day.

If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

Me? I love a big hunk of flesh. I will deliberately make a point of pushing all that green crap to the side of the plate.

This just is not true. Vegetarians can be perfectly healthy. If the people to which you refer are ill, it's probably because of a whole host of other problems, may or may not be food related.

I posted in the other thread...

I agree that we are omnivores, but as I have posted already, I try to keep my meat intake to a reasonable amount and balance my diet with copious amounts of veggies, salad, etc. I love food (a bit too much!) and try to enjoy a varied diet.

Of course it's not true, my simple friend. It's extremely exaggerated poetic license to make a highly biased point. For effect.

*sigh*

I'm wasted around here. I truly am.

Aw your cynical grumpiness is viewed with affection bendix. You remind me of an old Uncle that would grumble about everything while we played cards, but would always catch him smiling when he thought i wasnt looking. Your just a big teddy bear and no matter how grumpy you get I'll keep that thought ,and there is nothing you can do about it

Bendix may have point here though.

I have found that a lot of vegetarians are ill humoured, sickly and aggressive.

Bendix, are you a vegetarian by any chance?

Vegetarians tend to fart a lot more than carnivores and thus contribute more to global warming. On the plus side, they taste good.

Time for some hard facts:

If you eat red meat day in day out your digestive tract will be expanded because of all the processing needed for the red meat and your body will go into meltdown. At worse you can die on the toilet, at best the enlarged tract will slowely shrink, but for many months to years you will have a tendency to blow hot air.

Mad cows disease was invented by bovine scientists as revenge.

McDonalds food is made from all the throw away animal bits, recycled processed plastic and bits of rubber bands.

Most things taste like chicken, but who knows what chicken really tastes like?

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Bendix may have point here though.

I have found that a lot of vegetarians are ill humoured, sickly and aggressive.

Bendix, are you a vegetarian by any chance?

Thats not bloody funny, and WHO ARE YOU CALLING AGGRESSIVE! If i wasnt so da mn ill right now id be after you armed with some rubber bands.

Some people

Bendix may have point here though.

I have found that a lot of vegetarians are ill humoured, sickly and aggressive.

Bendix, are you a vegetarian by any chance?

Thats not bloody funny, and WHO ARE YOU CALLING AGGRESSIVE! If i wasnt so da mn ill right now id be after you armed with some rubber bands.

Some people

Actually Eek, one of my best friends is a vegetarian.

Miserable git, though.

It's true you feel fuller from meat, but that is not always a good thing in my opinion as it can equate to bloated and drowsy.

Sorry, it isn't true. A high intake of carbs will make you feel bloated and drowsy, a high protein intake has the opposite effect.

True, I expressed myself sloppily, perhaps I should have said "a standard diet" instead.

But it is a fact I don't feel drowsy from eating lots of vegetarian food, but I often do after a meal with meat (when I do eat meat it usually comes with potatoes/pasta/rice as a side dish, I rarely eat low carb food).

During WW II - when I was but a lad - we were bombed out in 1941 and spent the rest of the war squatting in friends' houses - six months here, six months there.

One couple we stayed with were vegetarian and thus - for six months - so were my mum and I. They had an extra cheese ration to make up for no meat coupons. We had the meat coupons but couldn't use them (and no extra cheese).

The couple would harvest the stinging nettles along the banks of the canal, outside their garden and boil them. Very good, but rather strong. Also they saved the water they boiled the veg in, and used it for drinking with the meal.

Luckily I had lunch at school during the week, so got some meat inside me. There was the time I found some chewed chewing gum in a meat ball, there were other times when other strange things appeared on the cabbage - but being a boys' school we all just got on and wolfed it down.

That six months confirmed me as a meat eater - every weekend was purgatory.

Now we have a works canteen for lunch - roast lamb, roast beef, mutton curry, all good food. But I do not know what I'll do when (if??) I retire - my wife is not into cooking at all - we have food market stuff in little plastic bags all the time. Sen lek moo, tom yam kung so on - all out of little plastic bags with elastic bands wrapped round so that I can't open them.

Just have to keep working I suppose. Don't like fast food places and in Saudi that's almost the only alternative - unless, heaven forfend - I cook for myself.

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Does that mean we can eat nice people ?

Just curious.

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

no reason in particular, im feeling a bit hungry thats all.

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Hmmm.....

In recent times there are occasions where people have survived through cannabalism.

Andes plane crash thing is fairly famous.

Rumours have it that it is happening in North Korea.

Now - moral question - if you are are in a starvation situation and you are confronted with a dead human (who you have not killed for the purpose) should you die or should you eat ?

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Does that mean we can eat nice people ?

Just curious.

No, the fact is FS, we are also 'unclean' being an omnivore is one of the things that makes the pig unclean, so we too, are unclean.

Dealing with your question above, I think to eat and live would be preferable!

I don't get it.

Anybody who is vegetarian for health choice FINE.

But anybody who is vegetarian for moral reason is F*KCed.

Plants are living things too. Fruit, Veg, etc... all LIVING things.

And don't speak to me of eating Flesh. Is the contents of Fruit not Flesh?

PRRRRRR I'm in an annoyed mood, so don't argue with me.

Just F* Off and eat a live cow.

*Edit, retracted last sentence

Edited by Not such a bad bloke, just annoyed such and such a date etc...

Kayo, I think the point made by the 'moral' veggies is that the fruit or veg has (had) no consciousness. It's not about eating living things.

Please moral veggies, correct me if I'm wrong!

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Does that mean we can eat nice people ?

Just curious.

No, the fact is FS, we are also 'unclean' being an omnivore is one of the things that makes the pig unclean, so we too, are unclean.

Dealing with your question above, I think to eat and live would be preferable!

Being an omnivore does not make you unclean.

Starting wars, killing others for self gratification, stealing, lying, cheating etc etc they are unclean actions, and by that measurement, pigs are probably the cleanest thinking animal on the planet.

It's just a crying shame that they taste of bacon.

And, Kayo, I used to have a pet artichoke called Albert.

Aw your cynical grumpiness is viewed with affection bendix. You remind me of an old Uncle that would grumble about everything while we played cards, but would always catch him smiling when he thought i wasnt looking. Your just a big teddy bear and no matter how grumpy you get I'll keep that thought ,and there is nothing you can do about it

At worse you can die on the toilet

At worst? Sounds like something to aim for to me.

blah blah blah kayo, thats an old reasoning, and not a particularly good one. Well, duh, of course plants are living, and of course people who dont eat meat because of moral reasons dont have that point as their sole reason. Its a combination of reasons, which I figure you probably already gathered. But, seeing as your in a grouch mood, you spout away if it makes you feel any better, and i'll fck off with my fingers in my ear hearing the gently fading tones reminiscent of Charlie Brown's teacher.

At worse you can die on the toilet

At worst? Sounds like something to aim for to me.

Elvis died on the throne.

These veg/meat debates bore me. I agree with Bendix, as usual, vegamatics are usually lethargic, dry-skinned, grumpy gits. Look at that vegan GF of the Supersize Me documentary star. Yukko. My HK neighbour was a veg and all she did was complain; I just blew smoke in her face.

The biggest problem with health is stress. You have stress and it triggers sleeping diseases and illnesses to wake up and attack you.

And, um, if vegamatics are so healthy, how come they are the major population count at colonics cleansing joints?

I'm going for a triple O burger. 55555

I was veggie for 10 years. Yes, moral veggie, Kayo. Surprise, surprise with my views on animals, huh. I was ovo-lacto vegetarian. I ate egg products (free-range) & dairy products, but not hard cheese, as most have rennet which is taken from a calves stomach. I also didn't eat anything with gelatine in, certain E no's - derived from animals, or red wine with fish scales (filtering process - you can buy vegetarian reds & usually organic ones are OK). I was dead serious about it, combined my food properly, so I got all the requisite nutrients (didn't get sick, bendix).

I gave up because I decided it was hypocritical to slaughter Lord knows how many cows, chickens etc for 100+ dogs' benefit, and still feel virtuous about being a veggie. So, I now eat meat again. I still cook veggie though, as some of my best recipes are veggie.

I never preached to any meat eater. In fact I would cook seperate meals nearly every night for veggie self & meat eating hubby (later, that changed to BF & son), family & friends. The one drawback was, I had to get others to taste it (meat dish) for seasoning etc.

The 2 things that used to annoy me most were:

the "veggies" who would eat chicken & or fish. How is that veggie? An animal was slaughtered! Is it only an animal if it's red meat?

the meat eaters who took it as a personal affront that I wouldn't eat meat. I never made it a big thing, but Lord, did some people. Everything from questioning my ethics & starting a big debate, to "Oh, once won't hurt you", to actually trying to press spoonfuls of meat dish to my lips. Seriously! I'm with eek - those people are the most annoying. Why can't they accept a personal decision, made for your own reasons? Most meat eaters aren't like that, thankfully - but every veggie has met some.

Bah, guess we should all conceed there is no point having a discussion on the subject with all the cliche' and stereotype comments flying about.

Time for a coffee.

NR, i fed my kitties meat products, because of course cats can never be veggies, but i did not see it as hypocritical. I think it doesnt have to be an all or nothing thing. I am not questioning your decision to eat meat again, i never would, as I respect peoples decisions. I am just saying that its not something i personally feel guilty about. However, i prefer if i can feed them food that is killed by humane means. - no easy task though.

I also wish to emphasise the idea of respect for another persons choices in life. 'Respect' being the key word. Respecting another persons choices in life without having some kind of go at them, or bringing up old rehashed outdated wife tales about veggies being sickly etc. What a ball of crap.

"the meat eaters who took it as a personal affront that I wouldn't eat meat. I never made it a big thing, but Lord, did some people. Everything from questioning my ethics & starting a big debate" Wow you really hit the nail on the head. I mean, it is VERY annoying. I have often found that as soon as people know im veggie THEY are the ones who question it. If i politely decline to talk about it, some get shirty, or nicely enquire for your opinion because they are "geniunely interested" only to get quite nasty if you do try to give a few reasons why. It is more rare for a veggie to 'preach' about non-meat eating than it is for meat eaters. I honestly just wish people would get over it, it really is no big deal.

And, Kayo, I used to have a pet artichoke called Albert.

I've got one called Charlie the Chili

Time for a coffee.

Coffee beans have feelings you know

A real challenge for any carnivore worth his salt is the "Yin Yang Fish".

Anyone ever tried it?

These veg/meat debates bore me. I agree with Bendix, as usual, vegamatics are usually lethargic, dry-skinned, grumpy gits. Look at that vegan GF of the Supersize Me documentary star. Yukko. My HK neighbour was a veg and all she did was complain; I just blew smoke in her face.

The biggest problem with health is stress. You have stress and it triggers sleeping diseases and illnesses to wake up and attack you.

And, um, if vegamatics are so healthy, how come they are the major population count at colonics cleansing joints?

I'm going for a triple O burger. 55555

Pay attention here, all BMs, this is Jet admitting she's just blowing smoke.

P.S. Don't tell the vegans this but the vegetables they eat are seething with millions of meaty little microbial animals.