And, Kayo, I used to have a pet artichoke called Albert.

you are sooooooooooooooooooo Wierd...

Hmm... Is Salt living?

It's is a mineral, after all.

Gen 9.3 "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

1 Cor 10.27 "...eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience."

what about cannibalism ? where is the escape clause for that ?

Grover, what do you want an escape clause for cannibalism? Whatcha trying to tell us!

ps the Gen 9.3 quote above obviously excluded the 'unclean' animals such as the pig!

Does that mean we can eat nice people ?

Just curious.

No, the fact is FS, we are also 'unclean' being an omnivore is one of the things that makes the pig unclean, so we too, are unclean.

Dealing with your question above, I think to eat and live would be preferable!

Being an omnivore does not make you unclean.

Starting wars, killing others for self gratification, stealing, lying, cheating etc etc they are unclean actions, and by that measurement, pigs are probably the cleanest thinking animal on the planet.

It's just a crying shame that they taste of bacon.

And, Kayo, I used to have a pet artichoke called Albert.

Oh yes, being an omnivore does make you unclean! Under the 'law' it has nothing to do with the animals moral standing, omnivores are unclean, scavengers, filter feeders, animals that consume their own poo, all are unclean. I know you're probably not interested, but I can quote you detailed chapter and verse.

NR, i fed my kitties meat products, because of course cats can never be veggies, but i did not see it as hypocritical. I think it doesnt have to be an all or nothing thing. I am not questioning your decision to eat meat again, i never would, as I respect peoples decisions. I am just saying that its not something i personally feel guilty about. However, i prefer if i can feed them food that is killed by humane means. - no easy task though.

I agree with that, as far as it goes. Most people who become vegetarians/vegans through moral choices are animal lovers & often have carnivorous or omnivorous pets. And they feed their pets meat (I strongly disagree with vegan dog owners who choose veganism for their dog also! And, as you say, you can never do that for cats). I had dogs all the time I was veggie, and didn't feel it was hypocritical, but running a dog center & being responsible for the buying & feeding of so much meat product/meat every day, seemed hypocritical to me. There's a difference between buying 1 x 10kg bag of dry food a month & some cans or mince etc and buying 100kg a week, plus 10 chickens a day, rawhide chews etc. Well, that's how it seemed to me. I was still responsible for their deaths (meat producing animals), so how could I call myself a vegetarian? That was how I saw it, anyway.

A real challenge for any carnivore worth his salt is the "Yin Yang Fish".

Anyone ever tried it?

Now this is what I mean, this is unnecessary. It's just plain wrong. it's eating an animal (or fish) while it's still alive, for <deleted> sake what are they thinking of, it just's perverse!

Agree, suegha. It's like the monkey brains while the monkey is still alive. Sick, sick, sick!

Agree, suegha. It's like the monkey brains while the monkey is still alive. Sick, sick, sick!

Yeah, I like my meat and fish fresh - but dead!

Once I saw on a Thai market the fish woman chopping up a fish.....holding it by the head and started chopping from the tail....while the fish was still alive. That is indeed unnessecary.....

Just like my ex g/f....we bought a life fish and she put it in the freezer. I said hey, the fish is still alive...her replly was a blank stare and saying that this is ok....it will for sure not survive the freezer....oh well....

Once I saw on a Thai market the fish woman chopping up a fish.....holding it by the head and started chopping from the tail....while the fish was still alive. That is indeed unnessecary.....

Now that is wrong on every level.

The live boiling of shellfish / crabs has always made me feel a bit uneasy... An ex g/f holding a live crab down onto a BBQ grille with a spatula, whilst it screamed (hissed, anyway) was a treat obviously. She was laughing too. That should have been a sign....

Dogs and cats are really tasty.

But you have to know how to cook them.

I heard the more you torture them before killing the more tasty. Not sure about that.

It is best to eat them during winter for it makes you warm.

They are one of the chinese delicacies!

Oh just talking about it makes my mouth watery, anyone up for a dog?

Eat whatever ya want, but keep the cruelty minimum.

Never mind cooking up doggie meemai, your already cooking up a storm with a big stick and a big pot of poop. Keep stiring, it may prove popular.

A bit of an obvious troll for a response, that one, meemiathai .

Not up to your usual standard of debate.

A bit of an obvious troll for a response, that one, meemiathai .

Not up to your usual standard of debate.

Can you keep quiet for just a little while please?

Or pretend to tell me off?

I would really like to see how the meat eaters react to my post. But now..... don't think they are going to take the bait.

Dogs and cats are really tasty.

But you have to know how to cook them.

I heard the more you torture them before killing the more tasty. Not sure about that.

It is best to eat them during winter for it makes you warm.

They are one of the chinese delicacies!

Oh just talking about it makes my mouth watery, anyone up for a dog?

I can't believe that God made meat taste so good if he doesn't want us to eat it, but I rather stick to eating beefsteak than cats or dogs.

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Is human flesh not delicious?

Anybody who does not eat human flesh for health choice FINE.

But anybody who does not eat human flesh for moral reason is F*KCed

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Der, because they don't have it on the shelves at ASDA.

I actually thought cannibalism was illegal but apparently in many countries "the act of eating human flesh" isn't illegal

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Is human flesh not delicious?

Anybody who does not eat human flesh for health choice FINE.

But anybody who does not eat human flesh for moral reason is F*KCed

Whaaaat...! Were you munching away at your own body parts in the shower?

LOL...ive thought of many things in the shower..but never have i thought anything along the lines of..'Hmm..thats a nice juicy rump..i bet id taste good with garlic.'

Although..i may indeed have a nice juicy rump..but its going no where on anyones dinner plate, thank you.

Keeping quiet..... dum-de-dum-de-dum.....

Too funny to pretend to tell you off, meemiathai

I was going to comment on the urge to nip a shapely rump now and then - maybe better not..............................................

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Der, because they don't have it on the shelves at ASDA.

I actually thought cannibalism was illegal but apparently in many countries "the act of eating human flesh" isn't illegal

So does that mean if they put shit on the shelves, you would...........

Actually it is exactly what I am asking, why have they made cannibalism illegal, Mr bo?

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Der, because they don't have it on the shelves at ASDA.

I actually thought cannibalism was illegal but apparently in many countries "the act of eating human flesh" isn't illegal

So does that mean if they put shit on the shelves, you would...........

Actually it is exactly what I am asking, why have they made cannibalism illegal, Mr bo?

If it was on the shelves, i might give it a go

And to your second point. They HAVEN'T made cannibalism illegal. I think you read my post wrong.

Was I supposed to get horny when seeing Mig/Eek/Rain (the ladies) talk of eating/bodies/rumps/showers... etc... ?

I'm very good with my tongue...

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Is human flesh not delicious?

Anybody who does not eat human flesh for health choice FINE.

But anybody who does not eat human flesh for moral reason is F*KCed

Whaaaat...! Were you munching away at your own body parts in the shower?

LOL...ive thought of many things in the shower..but never have i thought anything along the lines of..'Hmm..thats a nice juicy rump..i bet id taste good with garlic.'

Although..i may indeed have a nice juicy rump..but its going no where on anyones dinner plate, thank you.

Actually if you have seen my feet you won't be saying the same. They look delicious!

Keeping quiet..... dum-de-dum-de-dum.....

Too funny to pretend to tell you off, meemiathai

Fishing time is over. No fish today.

Post please, NR.

I was wondering just now when taking a shower, why are we not cannibals?

Der, because they don't have it on the shelves at ASDA.

I actually thought cannibalism was illegal but apparently in many countries "the act of eating human flesh" isn't illegal

So does that mean if they put shit on the shelves, you would...........

Actually it is exactly what I am asking, why have they made cannibalism illegal, Mr bo?

If it was on the shelves, i might give it a go

And to your second point. They HAVEN'T made cannibalism illegal. I think you read my post wrong.

No I did not read your post wrong. I meant if you have to eat human meat you have to kill them first right? And that is illegal, right? So why? Why do we have to make it illegal? I am asking why? Why should we not kill? Why do we not let the strongest kill the weak and eat them? Is it because they are not "aroy" or is there some other reasons?

Anyone posters here can answer this? I myself don't know the answer.

mmt, you must be really really bored.

you know you can download movies and computer games from the net these days, yeah?

We are translated as "long pig" by some caniballistic tribe somewhere. They say we meat-wise we are closest to piggywiggies.

Maybe if human meat was sold when the person dies of natural causes. That would be pretty humane. Guess would be quite a lotta bacon for your buck too.

mmt, you must be really really bored.

you know you can download movies and computer games from the net these days, yeah?

Well I am not bored at all. I don't really like watching movies unless of course the good ones. And I really hate computer games!

But why don't you try to answer my questions?

I am actually trying to discuss the OP. I do not know the answers to what we should and should not do in life, so hopefully through discussions I or we could learn more. ?

well, I just don't really approve of killing other members of my species.

Except maybe monkeys, cos they are annoying and vicious and violent.

Come to think of it,, ,that reminds me of some of my ex-gf's.

Sh1t. Now I don't know where I stand anymore.