TM 30 How long to file ?

[teecee]

How long do you have to file a TM30 , I rent a house and my landlord refuses to do this for me, I arrive on a Friday, which would not give me enough time to complete the task that day , thank you 

[bamnutsak]

I think the requirement may be within 24 hours, that's certainly the target for hotels.

 

IMO, just get it done as soon as you can after your arrival.

 

And maybe ask your landlord to register on the new online system - it's much easier and faster than the 'old' system - and file a report on you after you arrive.

 

https://tm30.immigration.go.th/tm30/#/external/security/register/reg-web

 

 

[kelboy]

No problem on Monday as they allow for the weekend. 

[DrJack54]

  On 12/6/2023 at 8:19 PM, teecee said:

How long do you have to file a TM30

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Do you have any need to deal with immigration office eg an extension etc

[Tom H]

or do nothing or anytime later and pay 800 Baht fine:)

[bbi1]

  On 12/7/2023 at 1:24 AM, Tom H said:

or do nothing or anytime later and pay 800 Baht fine:)

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1,600 baht fine at Jomtien if you are late in doing a TM30

[Tom H]

  On 12/7/2023 at 3:26 AM, bbi1 said:

1,600 baht fine at Jomtien if you are late in doing a TM30

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I paid 800 in Bkk 3y. ago

[bbi1]

  On 12/7/2023 at 4:28 AM, Tom H said:

I paid 800 in Bkk 3y. ago

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Seems BKK has a 50% off sale compared to Jomtien.

[CMBob]

Typically you'll need a photocopy of the owner's chanote and ID card...plus a photo copy of your passport photo page, permission to stay (exempt stamp, tourist visa, or extension), and entry stamp.

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/6/2023 at 8:19 PM, teecee said:

How long do you have to file a TM30

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It is not your job to file a TM 30.

 

  On 12/7/2023 at 1:24 AM, Tom H said:

or do nothing or anytime later and pay 800 Baht fine:)

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The fine is not yours to pay. It's your landlords. Why do people post absolute tosh?

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:33 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

It is not your job to file a TM 30.

 

 

The fine is not yours to pay. It's your landlords. Why do people post absolute tosh?

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You are right, but Immigration have made it our job.

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:35 AM, mokwit said:

You are right, but Immigration have made it our job.

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You are well within your rights to tell them to stick it.

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:37 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

You are well within your rights to tell them to stick it.

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Sure, and they consider themselves to be well within their rights to refuse your extension for no TM30 filed.

 

If no TM30 filed it *SHOULD* be that Imm asks for your Landlords name and address and enforces the law itself as part of the RTP whose job is to enforce Immigration laws rather than push the problem back onto you.

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:40 AM, mokwit said:

Sure, and they consider themselves to be well within their rights to refuse your extension for no TM30 filed.

 

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 They can consider whatever they want and they are NOT within their rights to refuse your extension. You've complied with the law so...................

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:44 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 They can consider whatever they want and they are NOT within their rights to refuse your extension. 

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But they do. So you can get a TM30 filed, or leave/go onto overstay. The FACT is that they are making it your problem. I would have thought it was their job not ours to enforce TM30 filing.

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:46 AM, mokwit said:

But they do. So you can get a TM30 filed, or leave/go onto overstay

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I once renewed my passport at immigration. They wanted 500 Baht to do so. I told them the service was free. Did I get kicked out?????

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:50 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

I once renewed my passport at immigration. They wanted 500 Baht to do so. I told them the service was free. Did I get kicked out?????

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Tyhe requirement for a TM30 to be filed is enshrined within the Immigration act, the payment of a Bt500 fee for passport renewal is not. the two are not the same. pushing back against a request for tea money and against a requirement of the law as stipulated are not the same.

 

So when they ask you for a TM30 you will just tell them they are NOT within their rights to refuse your extension and everything will be fine. Good luck.

[Pattaya57]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:24 AM, CMBob said:

Typically you'll need a photocopy of the owner's chanote and ID card...plus a photo copy of your passport photo page, permission to stay (exempt stamp, tourist visa, or extension), and entry stamp.

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Or a copy of your Lease thereby allowing the renter to apply for TM30 as "Possessor" of the property.

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:55 AM, Pattaya57 said:

Or a copy of your Lease thereby allowing the renter to apply for TM30 as "Possessor" of the property.

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I think it depends on imm office WRT to acceptability of this. Have heard some will accept, some won't accept or accept with further proof (utility bills in your name required has been reported for CW)

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:52 AM, mokwit said:

Ok, so when they ask you for a TM30 you will just tell them they are NOT within their rights to refuse your extension and everything will be fine. Good luck.

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 Two years ago after being here 16 years I did my annual marriage extension with my wife at my side. I'd never submitted a TM30 in all   the years I'd been here. No probs getting my extension but they got my missus in a conversation. She took her purse out and gave them 400 Baht. No receipt. It was only at that time that I found out she was responsible to do the TM30.

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:01 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Two years ago after being here 16 years I did my annual marriage extension with my wife at my side. I'd never submitted a TM30 in all   the years I'd been here. No probs getting my extension but they got my missus in a conversation. She took her purse out and gave them 400 Baht. No receipt. It was only at that time that I found out she was responsible to do the TM30.

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Great, your IMM office has flexi terms. not all do. I would guess not CW.

 

 

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:02 AM, mokwit said:

Great, your IMM office has flexi terms. not all do. I would guess not CW.

 

 

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No they're not on 'flexi terms'. It's a case of when going to your IO you grow a pair before entering the building. Buriram IO is the office I use.

[Pattaya57]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:58 AM, mokwit said:

I think it depends on imm office WRT to acceptability of this. Have heard some will accept, some won't accept or accept with further proof (utility bills in your name required has been reported for CW)

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That's interesting as elec bill would normally stay in owners name. No-one is changing over elec bills for a 1-6 month lease

 

I know for my Condo the agent does the first TM30 for the new renter and then renter is responsible for any further TM30 needed during rental period. 

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:06 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

No they're not on 'flexi terms'. It's a case of when going to your IO you grow a pair before entering the building.

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OK. I will let the board judge your comment for themselves.

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:09 AM, Pattaya57 said:

That's interesting as elec bill would normally stay in owners name. No-one is changing over elec bills for a 1-6 month lease

 

I know for my Condo the agent does the first TM30 for the new renter and then renter is responsible for any further TM30 needed during rental period. 

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I may have misremembered - proof of payment of the bill i.e. receipt.

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:09 AM, Pattaya57 said:

the new renter and then renter is responsible for any further TM30 needed during rental period. 

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There is no further TM30's required if the lease hasn't been broken. 

[IvorBiggun2]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:09 AM, mokwit said:

OK. I will let the board judge your comment for themselves.

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I wait with bated breath

[Tropicalevo]

  On 12/7/2023 at 5:33 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

It is not your job to file a TM 30.

 

 

The fine is not yours to pay. It's your landlords. Why do people post absolute tosh?

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OK. That is the theory.

BUT if the person wants an extension or anything else at immigration, they will have to have a TM 30.

Saying 'but it is not my job' will not help.

I had some friends who were taken to the immigration office because they did not have TM 30's. Immigration were threatening to cancel their visas. (Real threat or not, I do not know.)

Friends phoned their landlord who called me and he asked 'what do I do'. I told him and he did their TM 30 before they got to the front of the 'naughty' queue.

Phew! Close.

(Here on Samui, immigration are carrying out random checks looking for tourists with no TM 30 or expired visas.)

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:11 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

There is no further TM30's required if the lease hasn't been broken. 

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I am sure that is correct, but there are reports of request for a more recent TM30 even in those circumstances.

[mokwit]

  On 12/7/2023 at 6:15 AM, Tropicalevo said:

OK. That is the theory.

BUT if the person wants an extension or anything else at immigration, they will have to have a TM 30.

Saying 'but it is not my job' will not help.

I had some friends who were taken to the immigration office because they did not have TM 30's. Immigration were threatening to cancel their visas. (Real threat or not, I do not know.)

Friends phoned their landlord who called me and he asked 'what do I do'. I told him and he did their TM 30 before they got to the front of the 'naughty' queue.

Phew! Close.

(Here on Samui, immigration are carrying out random checks looking for tourists with no TM 30 or expired visas.)

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Should have grown a pair and told them to shove it according to advice on this board