Colorado Supreme Court kicks Trump off ballot

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Purdey said:

Thanks for that.

I am interested mainly in what is the ultimate decision-making body for insurrection by a president rather than immunity (though that is related). I assumed there would be a SCOTUS decision eventually.

Yes, the Nixon pardon implied he wasn't immune. 

 

The SC can't relitigate the case. It can only find mistakes in law by the lower courts such as misinterpretation of the constitution or lack of standing by plaintiffs, etc. They will need to rule that the CO SC erred in it's judgement that the president was included in the 14th amendment..

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Unfortunately,  I agree with you.

 

For the 14th Amendment to apply, a person must have been convicted of sedition. Otherwise, any state court can kick anyone off the ballot, simply by observing that they participated in an insurrection. So, Georgia could kick Joe Biden off the ballot, because they can.

Nowhere in the 14th ammendment does it say "a person that is found guilty of insurrection" it clearly says "any person that engages in insurrection"

Almost every person in the world aleady witnessed him engaging in insurrection with our own eyes.

Let's see if the Supreme court has enough morals and integrity do see justice done here.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

Nowhere in the 14th ammendment does it say "a person that is found guilty of insurrection" it clearly says "any person that engages in insurrection"

Almost every person in the world aleady witnessed him engaging in insurrection with our own eyes.

Let's see if the Supreme court has enough morals and integrity do see justice done here.

 

The CO lower court found him guilty of insurrection.

[Georgealbert]

14 minutes ago, morrobay said:

So the court followed normal procedures.

 

55556 So now you think the court is helping Trump, you support its motion. Bit different that an hour ago.

 

Nice, when the only consistency is your inconsistency. 

 

[Wrwest]

Actually, I favor having an election contest with Trump as the Republican Party nominee. You see, if a majority of the American voting citizens would not firmly reject him … then I do not have a country in which to believe and support. At my age, I would retain my Passport (Canada, I would gladly swap … hmm, actually with a number of countries where my shared DNA is present), but I would certainly not visit (already cannot live there on my monthly sustainable retirement income). The USA has faced major challenges in the past but … this is a crisis where a notable number of citizens seem bent on fascism as if that would result in addressing their issues.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Trial by TV? Interesting.

That's not what I really said.

I didn't mention trial. I did mention obvious proof.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Actually, I favor having an election contest with Trump as the Republican Party nominee. You see, if a majority of the American voting citizens would not firmly reject him … then I do not have a country in which to believe and support. At my age, I would retain my Passport (Canada, I would gladly swap … hmm, actually with a number of countries where my shared DNA is present), but I would certainly not visit (already cannot live there on my monthly sustainable retirement income). The USA has faced major challenges in the past but … this is a crisis where a notable number of citizens seem bent on fascism as if that would result in addressing their issues.

 

I would agree if the corrupt SC judge Thomas had not ruled in favor of Corporations are people too" resulting in vast sums of dark pool money being injected into bribing politicians. Corporate lobby spending is 34:1 vs private spending. With low information voters believing their churches and right wing social networks a fair vote has no chance against this onslaught of money

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

The court did prove Trump engaged in insurrection.

 

What court - link or desist.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

What court - link or desist.

 

linked. today, this thread.

 

For your edification, I repeat

 

A Colorado judge on Friday found that former President Donald Trump engaged in insurrection during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol but rejected an effort to keep him off the state's primary ballot because it's unclear whether a Civil War-era Constitutional amendment barring insurrectionists from public office applies to the presidency.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1213961050/colorado-judge-finds-trump-engaged-in-insurrection-but-keeps-him-on-ballot

 

As a result of this ruling the CO SC clarified the question as to whether the constitution applies to the presidency and found that it does.

 

[HappyExpat57]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

It will most likely will be struck down on appeal because nobody can show that Trump did incite an insurrection.

 

How many times have desperate folks failed to prove that already?

 

 

How many times have folks like you made this ridiculous argument?

 

Plenty of co-conspirators have already pleaded guilty, it's only a matter of time before the noose finally tightens around his fat fake-tanned neck.

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

linked. today, this thread.

 

For your edification, I repeat

 

A Colorado judge on Friday found that former President Donald Trump engaged in insurrection during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol but rejected an effort to keep him off the state's primary ballot because it's unclear whether a Civil War-era Constitutional amendment barring insurrectionists from public office applies to the presidency.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1213961050/colorado-judge-finds-trump-engaged-in-insurrection-but-keeps-him-on-ballot

 

As a result of this ruling the CO SC clarified the question as to whether the constitution applies to the presidency and found that it does.

 

 

Thanks. I expect and hope that the USSC will agree with me that the "finding" of a single district judge should be overruled and all this BS stops.

[morrobay]

38 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

So the court followed normal procedures.

 

55556 So now you think the court is helping Trump, you support its motion. Bit different that an hour ago.

 

Nice, when the only consistency is your inconsistency. 

 

My consistency is for the electorate (right, independent , left,) to decide. Seems elements of the democrats are afraid of that. As were the republicans in the 2000 election. Where a judicial coup gave the election to bush by stopping the recount in FL. Gore won Florida in spite of that spoiler/ jerk Ralph Nader 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, morrobay said:

My consistency is for the electorate (right, independent , left,) to decide. Seems elements of the democrats are afraid of that. As were the republicans in the 2000 election. Where a judicial coup gave the election to bush by stopping the recount in FL. Gore won Florida in spite of that spoiler/ jerk Ralph Nader 

 

The electorate must still operate and vote within the confines of the constitution. The question as to whether Trump broke the law, let alone the constitution, does not and should not rest with voters. That's how a nation of law operates.

[wombat]

it amazes me how scared the Democrat people are of Trump.
Both Trump & Biden are yesterdays news wrapping todays fish heads...its time for change.

Is RFK running as an independent really a trojan horse for the Dems so they have 2 irons in the fire?

 

[wombat]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Thanks. I expect and hope that the USSC will agree with me that the "finding" of a single district judge should be overruled and all this BS stops.

of course it will be over ruled🥷...there is still 12 months to go of this excrement, we are still at the kindergarten stage of muck throwing

[animalmagic]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

I hope it does. The US will finally see who MAGA really are.

The world noticed quite some time ago!

[rudi49jr]

32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Thanks. I expect and hope that the USSC will agree with me that the "finding" of a single district judge should be overruled and all this BS stops.

How/why is this BS? Just because you hate the Dems and love Trump? If you want to talk BS, how about the impeachment inquiry by the House Republicans into president Biden? Do you think that is BS as well?

 

Anyone with just half a functioning brain cell will have recognized what Trump and his co-conspirators were up to before, on and after Jan. 6, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to be able to connect the dots. Many of his co-conspirators are now facing justice and have flipped on Trump. And Trump himself has been found guilty of sedition already, by that CO court, and is facing similar charges in Washington DC and Georgia. 
 

Please explain to me what the BS is that you so desperately want stopped, I’d be really interested.

[illisdean]

15 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Please explain to me what the BS is that you so desperately want stopped, I’d be really interested.

So, four unelected state (democratic, Soros funded) hack judges in CO are going to decide the 2024 presidential election?

What planet are you on? Can you see the danger in these rocky mountain pot-heads thinking they can subvert the constitution, interfere in elections and decide who can be a candidate? Lots of BS, in the minds of deluded dems in CO and elsewhere, as in here too. 

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, illisdean said:

So, four unelected state (democratic, Soros funded) hack judges in CO are going to decide the 2024 presidential election?

What planet are you on? Can you see the danger in these rocky mountain pot-heads thinking they can subvert the constitution, interfere in elections and decide who can be a candidate? Lots of BS, in the minds of deluded dems in CO and elsewhere, as in here too. 

 

We are all on planet normal. What terrestrial planet are you on. 

[morrobay]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

 

We are all on planet normal. What terrestrial planet are you on. 

He is on planet called - call spades spades

[illisdean]

36 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Anyone with just half a functioning brain cell will have recognized what Trump and his co-conspirators were up to before, on and after Jan. 6, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to be able to connect the dots. Many of his co-conspirators are now facing justice and have flipped on Trump. And Trump himself has been found guilty of sedition already, by that CO court, and is facing similar charges in Washington DC and Georgia. 

FBI finds no evidence that Trump and his allies were directly involved with organizing the violence of the Capitol riot: report

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-not-directly-involved-in-organizing-capitol-riot-violence-report-2021-8?op=1

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fbi-confirms-there-was-no-insurrection-on-january-6

 

[illisdean]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

We are all on planet normal. What terrestrial planet are you on. 

The one u need to be unless you want to remain on the planet reserved for fools.

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, illisdean said:

So, four unelected state (democratic, Soros funded) hack judges in CO are going to decide the 2024 presidential election?

What planet are you on? Can you see the danger in these rocky mountain pot-heads thinking they can subvert the constitution, interfere in elections and decide who can be a candidate? Lots of BS, in the minds of deluded dems in CO and elsewhere, as in here too. 

If the US Supreme court is smart, they'll rule on whether a poorly orchestrated, simple protest (by a bunch of gun owners who left their guns at home that day) was actually an insurrection.  Seems the whole discussion is moot if they rule it to be a protest and not an insurrection, just like the hundreds of others during the Summer of Love.

 

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

If the US Supreme court is smart, they'll rule on whether a poorly orchestrated, simple protest (by a bunch of gun owners who left their guns at home that day) was actually an insurrection.  Seems the whole discussion is moot if they rule it to be a protest and not an insurrection, just like the hundreds of others during the Summer of Love.

 

 

1, They didn't all leave their guns at home.

 

2. People died. There will be justice for them.

 

In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

[spidermike007]

Absolutely fantastic news, this man should not be within a thousand miles of any ballot, and hopefully multiple states will follow suit, and he'll lose the election by a huge margin, or perhaps he'll drop out.

 

What would really be sweet would be if Biden dropped out too, and then two more youthful and vigorous people who have full possession of their faculties could run for that office. 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Checkmate❗And thx for saving me having to show this. Just like their cult leader...they just make 💩 up and run with it. Truly a warped and sickening sad lot of desperados. 

The shocking news is sufficient Americans could vote him into the role of President and that ain't changing whatever the outcome. The democratic system is failing because the country is failing the people. Trump is a symptom, not the cause. There is much trouble ahead.

[1FinickyOne]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

just like the hundreds of others during the Summer of Love.

Yes - - just like the summer of love when we were, well at least I was,... you know - 

 

somehow this seems quite different... 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, morrobay said:

He is on planet called - call spades spades

That will be the black hole where gravity is so strong that nothing exist. 

[rudi49jr]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Absolutely fantastic news, this man should not be within a thousand miles of any ballot, and hopefully multiple states will follow suit, and he'll lose the election by a huge margin, or perhaps he'll drop out.

 

What would really be sweet would be if Biden dropped out too, and then two more youthful and vigorous people who have full possession of their faculties could run for that office. 

have full possession of their faculties

 

Name one person in the GOP today who meets that criteria….

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

Naah, not true, he did incite an insurrection. the proof has been on your TV screen a hundred times.

but not proven in a trial by jury.