Missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand

[stix40]

Captain of the ship should of checked weather charts before they sailed and turned back way before the tradegy ! 

Profit 1st 

Safety 2nd  sadly.

[off road pat]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand

She is not trapped, her body is. Not difficult to say "The body of missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand". 

Very poorly witten headline from I suggest an under educated person.

...."The ship's cook Samniang Chaichana, 67, is also thought to have been trapped on board when the ship sank to a depth of 180ft while Ms Young was enjoying a dream adventure with friends.",....  Indeed, very poorly written. A negative and a positive sentence in the same phrase.

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

That's sad, she's from my home town.

My condolences. Sad that you lost a friend. 🥺

[Moonlover]

6 minutes ago, off road pat said:

...."The ship's cook Samniang Chaichana, 67, is also thought to have been trapped on board when the ship sank to a depth of 180ft while Ms Young was enjoying a dream adventure with friends.",....  Indeed, very poorly written. A negative and a positive sentence in the same phrase.

As I said a while ago, address your nitpicking comments to the Daily Mail, from whence this syndicated article came. There's no point in whining about on here.

[Iamloki]

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

So 18 on board.....two seemingly went down with the ship.....what happened to the rest?

Yes.

[proton]

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

So 18 on board.....two seemingly went down with the ship.....what happened to the rest?

Ship? crappy looking small boat more like. 'Reggae Queen' would not instil confidence from the start

[sandyf]

38 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

Amazing, that they could not all get to rescue rafts, it must have gone down quickly. A sad thing is loss of life and to many Thai boats sink, collide and kill tourists, hello, where is the safety checks on vessels and checks on crew and there experience, just cowboys, thinking it won't happen to me, Satu, 

Maritime deaths in Thailand pale into insignificance compared to countries like the UK and US. The Phillipines has the worst peacetime disaster where over 4000 are estimated to have died in a maritime collision.

The Titanic is the most well known incident but little to beat the Herald of Free Enterprise, a RORO ferry that set sail with the door open.

My friend was 90 last week, he didn't get on and was at the front of the queue for the next one when it happened.

[Dickie Dee]

5 hours ago, John Drake said:

I knew her at Mahidol. Sad and horrible way to die.

Yes. Today I wonder what if Indian Ocean or  bay of Thailand will take another tour boat. 

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Screw relying on tour operator or captain to decide if safe to sail.  I'd verify the forecast myself, and with 2-3 meter waves forecast, you ain't getting me on a 'boat', unless it's a cruise 'ship'.

 

Our personal safety is our personal responsibility.

 

When I used to take govt buses, I'd do a walk around, make sure they aren't running on maypops 

 

I agree. But I believe most people wouldn't give it a great deal of thought and assume the crew knew of any potential danger and would act accordingly. And have you ever seen anyone going round a bus before taking it, checking the tyres etc? You rely on the crew to keep you safe, and in Thailand that can get you killed - as many have found out over time.

[cardinalblue]

Sure hope there is a professional third party review to learn from the mistakes that were made - loss of life is preventable at sea if proper contingency plans are activated and followed….

 

isn’t the captain the last to leave the sinking ship? I guess not in this case….

[Kalasin Jo]

6 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

That boat also looks top heavy, there is hardly any depth to the hull compared to the height of the superstructure.  No engineer, just what I see.

True but have you seen the depth below the waterline of the vast cruise ships? Not much against the staggering number of decks above.

[lordgrinz]

Safety, especially while in transport aboard any conveyance in Thailand, is nonexistent. You are on your own safety-wise, you need to keep that in mind the whole time you are here.

[arick]

Yellow submarine 

[blueCloud888]

5 hours ago, off road pat said:

...."The ship's cook Samniang Chaichana, 67, is also thought to have been trapped on board when the ship sank to a depth of 180ft while Ms Young was enjoying a dream adventure with friends.",....  Indeed, very poorly written. A negative and a positive sentence in the same phrase.

Seems like some kind of intentional dark humor . 

[Bday Prang]

                    I can't believe boats like that are allowed out in the Andaman Sea   They are out of their comfort zone in the gulf even when operating  relatively close to the mainland. Which is probably what that one was built for.   

                   This kind of incident is all too common, greed coupled with stupidity  is the sole reason for it, During the high season for tourism, rough seas are very common. but the idiots just can't resist the temptation of tourist wonga.

                    Waves of 1.5 m would be enough to scare most tourists <deleted>less and most of the large trawlers stay in dock when the waves get to 3m

they are not designed like North sea trawlers

                    Most of the "captains" of these boats are ex fishermen who are too lazy to work on the fishing boats anymore, or who have been sacked for one reason of another  If I remember correctly  there is no actual qualification req'd to skipper one of these boats a licence is easily obtained just by applying, and whilst  reassuringly each boat is legally required to carry a ships engineer no qualification is required for that either.  There is no annual check required that I'm aware of and the basic insurance is unbelievably cheap

                     That applies for boats up to a certain size (not including dive platform) I'm almost certain that boat like most operating around thailand, conveniently fall into that category,  That's how it was in the gulf of thailand 15 years ago  things may have changed  but i doubt it

                    

[Whacker]

7 hours ago, Moonlover said:

They haven't even found it yet! 'Navy chiefs said they will now use sonar to find the wreckage of the Reggae Queen',

 

180 feet is too deep for regular SCUBA divers anyway. Only trained mixed gas technical divers can go that deep. I assume the RTN has them available, but I don't know for sure.

 

 

As an advanced open water scuba diver I need to make a slight correction. While diving on air to that depth is not recommended. It is certainly possible. The max depth on air is around 190 to 200. Deeper than that the diver is subject to Oxygen Toxicity.  Also (bottom time is very important) I did a 189 ft dive on air at Trinidad, and Tabago. You can go down as fast as you can, once at depth my computer showed that I only had 5 minutes of (bottom time) exceeding bottom time can be deadly. After 2 minutes I  very gradually made my way to the surface, and since I had plenty of air left I took about 45 minutes including 3 safety stops before surfacing. The only thing that I saw down there was a huge Sting Ray. I did it with the Dive Master just so I could have it logged on my dive computer for bragging rights.

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Kalasin Jo said:

True but have you seen the depth below the waterline of the vast cruise ships? Not much against the staggering number of decks above.

The fact that some of these ships remain upright is astonishing but presumably they've all been properly computer designed and  scale models have been tested in wave tanks, and certain operating limits established  etc etc.      That is not the case with these Thai tourboats

[The Theory]

7 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

A side on photo of the ship looks even more frightening to me.

 

It must be all rusty under beautiful paint🤔

[neverere]

9 hours ago, Chongalulu said:

Put your scuba tank on then  ,Brian, don't worry that 180 feet is below the depth limit for safe diving. And what's the hurry,do you think this is still a rescue situation?

180 feet is not below the limit for safe diving. I suspect you are thinking of the recommended depth limits for recreational diving.

 

[neverere]

"Rescue operations continue northeast of Thailand as teams desperately search for the missing victims of the tragedy."

 

 

No wonder they haven't managed to locate the sunken wreck yet.

[IslandLover]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand

She is not trapped, her body is. Not difficult to say "The body of missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand". 

Very poorly witten headline from I suggest an under educated person.

 

What do you expect from the Daily Mail/MailOnline?  

[pacovl46]

10 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

After 5 days underwater at a depth of 180 feet, I think it's about 99.99% certain that no-one still on that ship is alive.

Not necessarily. There might be a large air bubble trapped in the boat. 5 days is pushing it, though, and I wouldn't get my hopes up either. 

 

That's why I always stay up top when I use a ferry. And it's always a good idea to get a swimming vest beforehand. 

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, pacovl46 said:

Not necessarily. There might be a large air bubble trapped in the boat. 5 days is pushing it, though, and I wouldn't get my hopes up either. 

 

That's why I always stay up top when I use a ferry. And it's always a good idea to get a swimming vest beforehand. 

If they have any.

[pacovl46]

4 hours ago, still kicking said:

If they have any.

Yeah, the chances are slim. What a horrible way to go. 

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, Gandtee said:

If she and the cook are trapped inside the sunken vessel let's hope that their removal will be more successful than the navy's attempt to recover those trapped in their ship that capsized due to rough seas.

The depth is about the limit divers can go to without using special gasses i believe, and I have no idea if Thailand has any submarine equipment to do the job. So might be a while.  

[Ralf001]

13 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The depth is about the limit divers can go to without using special gasses i believe.

 

Correct.

 

With air you reach a PO2 of 1.4 at 187ft and 1.6 at 218ft.

From an O2 standpoint 190 ft is as deep as you want to go on air.

 

 

[Moonlover]

8 hours ago, Whacker said:

As an advanced open water scuba diver I need to make a slight correction. While diving on air to that depth is not recommended. It is certainly possible. The max depth on air is around 190 to 200. Deeper than that the diver is subject to Oxygen Toxicity.  Also (bottom time is very important) I did a 189 ft dive on air at Trinidad, and Tabago. You can go down as fast as you can, once at depth my computer showed that I only had 5 minutes of (bottom time) exceeding bottom time can be deadly. After 2 minutes I  very gradually made my way to the surface, and since I had plenty of air left I took about 45 minutes including 3 safety stops before surfacing. The only thing that I saw down there was a huge Sting Ray. I did it with the Dive Master just so I could have it logged on my dive computer for bragging rights.

Sounds like you haven't quite got over trying to claim 'bragging rights'.

[Chongalulu]

8 hours ago, neverere said:

180 feet is not below the limit for safe diving. I suspect you are thinking of the recommended depth limits for recreational diving.

 

Indeed I am ,as a diver myself 30 metres is considered deep,with 50 metres ,which I've done once,the absolute limit . For this depth they'd need trimix ,but little point and much hazard in going to this depth to go inside a wreck in a non urgent situation 

[mikebell]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

'The rescue committee is working to find the sunken ship as quickly as possible. We believe that the missing people are trapped inside.'

I can't see the rush is necessary.  5 days under 180 feet of water leaves not much hope of survival.

[Old Croc]

26 minutes ago, mikebell said:

I can't see the rush is necessary.  5 days under 180 feet of water leaves not much hope of survival.

I recall a tug sinking a few years ago where a crewman (also a cook!) was found alive in an air bubble 3 days later. Of course, not as long, not as deep.

 

Moment divers found man trapped alive in sunken ship - BBC News