More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate

[CharlieH]

 

More than a third of US adults believe Joe Biden was not legitimately elected president in 2020, according to a new poll.

According to the Washington Post and the University of Maryland, 62% of American adults say they believe Biden’s win was legitimate – down from 69% in the same poll in December 2021.

 

Thirty-six per cent say they do not accept Biden’s win.

This week brings the third anniversary of the deadly January 6 attack on Congress, which Donald Trump incited in his attempt to overturn his conclusive defeat by Biden the year before.

Nine deaths have been linked to the attack, including law enforcement suicides. More than a thousand people have been charged and hundreds convicted in relation to the riot, some with seditious conspiracy.

 

Trump was impeached for inciting an insurrection but acquitted when enough Senate Republicans stayed loyal.

Colorado and Maine have moved to bar Trump from the ballot under section three of the 14th amendment to the US constitution, a post-civil war measure meant to prevent insurrectionists running for state or national office. Trump is expected to appeal.

Maintaining his lie that Biden’s win was the result of electoral fraud, and using four federal and 13 state criminal election subversion charges (alongside 74 other criminal counts and assorted civil threats) to motivate supporters, Trump dominates polling for the Republican nomination this year.

Reporting its poll, the Post said that among Republicans, only 31% now say Biden’s win was legitimate – down from 39% in 2021.

The poll also showed Republicans becoming more sympathetic to the January 6 rioters and more likely to absolve Trump of responsibility for the attack, the Post said.

Analysing the poll, Aaron Blake, a senior political reporter for the Post, said it mostly showed that Trump’s message over the 2020 election and January 6 had resonated with voters already disposed to believe it.

Nonetheless, Michael J Hanmer, director of the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement at the University of Maryland, told the paper: “From a historical perspective, these results would be chilling to many analysts.”

 

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[ozimoron]

Stupid low information voters.

[impulse]

26 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Stupid low information voters.

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

[JonnyF]

It would appear that the "Democrats" tactic of trying to stay in power through the legal system rather than the ballot box isn't really working out.

 

How ironic that the "Democrats" are causing untold damage to the electorate's faith in the Democratic process. Let's hope these hypocrites get their comeuppance. 

 

[KhunLA]

Big surprise, and guess the same amount believe the same about Trump in 2016.   Any guess what the demographics of that survey would be.

 

Sore losers on both sides.   Same as the lottery, better luck next time 

[gargamon]

So 1/3 of the population are MAGA morons. Too bad for them it takes 50% to win (excluding gerrymandering of course).

[JonnyF]

56 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Stupid low information voters.

 

You weren't the brains behind Hilary's deplorables speech and the Brexit Remain campaign by any chance were you?

 

Because insulting those with a different opinion to yours always seems to end so well .

[Danderman123]

37 minutes ago, impulse said:

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

No, you have a problem.

 

Trump lied about the election, and you and your MAGA friends believed him.

 

Ever seen any proof the election was stolen?

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Big surprise, and guess the same amount believe the same about Trump in 2016.   Any guess what the demographics of that survey would be.

 

Sore losers on both sides.   Same as the lottery, better luck next time 

I have never seen anyone question the vote totals for 2016.

 

There were some rumblings about vote totals in 2004, not much, but much more about lack of voting sites in Ohio on Election Day, when Democratic counties were shortchanged.

Edited January 3 by Danderman123

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have never seen anyone question the vote totals for 2016.

 

There were some rumblings about vote totals in 2004, not much, but much more about lack of voting sites in Ohio on Election Day, when Democratic counties were shortchanged.

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Did you actually read the blurb you posted?

 

Anything in there about questioning vote totals?

Edited January 3 by Danderman123

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It would appear that the "Democrats" tactic of trying to stay in power through the legal system rather than the ballot box isn't really working out.

 

How ironic that the "Democrats" are causing untold damage to the electorate's faith in the Democratic process. Let's hope these hypocrites get their comeuppance. 

 

Some corrections to your post.

 

It was Trump who tried to bypass the ballot to stay in power, a tactic that included attempts to use the legal system and culminated in violent insurrection.

 

It is Trump’s continuing lies that is undermining the democratic process.

 

The Democrats did rather well in the mid terms and have done extremely well in various Special Elections that have come up since 2020.

 

In truth the polar opposite of the ill informed nonsense you posted.

 

 

Edited January 3 by Chomper Higgot

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is Trump’s continuing lies that is undermining the democratic process.

Having Trump removed from ballot papers doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Let the people choose!

[gargamon]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Having Trump removed from ballot papers doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Let the people choose!

Let the people choose. Damn the constitution. It doesn't apply when it does something I don't like. Now let's run Arnold Schwarzenegger for president, regardless that the constitution excludes him due to not being born in the US. Let the people choose. 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Having Trump removed from ballot papers doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Let the people choose!

Nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with the Constitution.

 

Oh and Trump isn’t on any ballot paper.

 

 

[impulse]

The beautiful  thing about this poll is that it flies in the face of the Dem narrative that Trump objected to the results of an election he knew he lost.

 

If tens of million of voters though the election was tainted (notice that I didn't say "stolen"), it's pretty reasonable to think Trump also believes it.  And did back then...

 

Of course, it won't stop their malicious partisan prosecution, but it'll raise him in the polls because the only way for the Dems to spin this is to reveal one more time how much contempt they have for the voters.  Not unlike several posters on this thread.

 

 

 

Edited January 3 by impulse

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

 

All the court decisions removed any rational doubt. They have a problem.

[xylophone]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

All the court decisions removed any rational doubt. They have a problem.

"rational"................hmm, don't forget you are talking to poorly educated trump supporters, so "rational" and GOP is akin to an oxymoron.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

"rational"................hmm, don't forget you are talking to poorly educated trump supporters, so "rational" and GOP is akin to an oxymoron.

 

Billy Bob is not my cousin.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

It goes to prove the old saying.

 

1   You can fool all of the people for some of the time.

2   You can fool some of the people for all of the time.

3   But you cannot fool all of the people for all of the time.

 

You seem to believe a proven compulsive serial liar.

That must put you in the #2 category.

 

Can you please answer a simple yes or no question?

 

Do you honestly believe that Trump won the 2020 presidential election?

[bendejo]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

More like they suspect the voters will not vote their way.

That's the GOP, that's why they are always pulling stunts like gerrymandering and making it difficult for people to cast ballots.  Whoever does it has to live with it, blaming other political parties for their deeds is nothing short of cowardice.  They know they are doing wrong, that's why they lie about it.  I think some of those good ol' boys at the Capitol on 1/6 are insulted when the Maga crowd says those were antifa in disguise. 

When it's your own doing, own it.

 

[KhunLA]

20 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You seem to believe a proven compulsive serial liar.

That must put you in the #2 category.

Which compulsive liar are you referring to; Trump or Biden 

 

They're politicians, it's a job requirement.

[candide]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

This is not a new problem!

 

But don't call them dumb! 555! 😆

 

Poll: 46 Percent Of Trump Voters Believe ‘Pizzagate’ Theory

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Poll: 61 Percent of Trump Supporters Are Birthers

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[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

The beautiful  thing about this poll is that it flies in the face of the Dem narrative that Trump objected to the results of an election he knew he lost.

 

If tens of million of voters though the election was tainted (notice that I didn't say "stolen"), it's pretty reasonable to think Trump also believes it.  And did back then...

 

Of course, it won't stop their malicious partisan prosecution, but it'll raise him in the polls because the only way for the Dems to spin this is to reveal one more time how much contempt they have for the voters.  Not unlike several posters on this thread.

 

 

 

Moreover, some people even believe that Trump believed he won elections, and try to find lame arguments to support this claim!

[bendejo]

More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate

 

I wonder who is telling them this . . .

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Which compulsive liar are you referring to; Trump or Biden 

 

They're politicians, it's a job requirement.

The one that stated ‘Only criminals take the fifth’ 

 

And then took the fifth over 400 times.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/31/trump-news-pleads-fifth-video-new-york-fraud-deposition

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

All the court decisions removed any rational doubt. They have a problem.

 

Looks like those "decisions" worked the other way for many.

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Looks like those "decisions" worked the other way for many.

Truth and facts are like that, some folk are impervious to them both.

 

Wrt these particular truths and facts it would seem the ‘some’ is around a third of Americans.

 

 

[2baht]

Becoming more third world every year!

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

The beautiful  thing about this poll is that it flies in the face of the Dem narrative that Trump objected to the results of an election he knew he lost.

 

If tens of million of voters though the election was tainted (notice that I didn't say "stolen"), it's pretty reasonable to think Trump also believes it.  And did back then...

 

Of course, it won't stop their malicious partisan prosecution, but it'll raise him in the polls because the only way for the Dems to spin this is to reveal one more time how much contempt they have for the voters.  Not unlike several posters on this thread.

 

 

 

You are saying that if millions of people believe Trump's lies, then Trump must believe his lies, too.

 

I'll bet that idea sounded a lot less stupid when you first thought of it than it does now.

 

 

Edited January 3 by Danderman123