Dismiss "Wokeness" - Stop doing business with people who hate you and your traditional values

[mfd101]

Hard for me not to laugh. Most of the people rabbiting on above - for & against - are living in Thailand, which must surely rank down there (or up there) in the bottom/top least 'woke' countries in the world.

 

My Thai Khmer peasant family is just emerging from the 1950s in to the light of the late C20th - technologically, economically, culturally. Some of the children are even already dealing in & trying out assorted illegal drugs. And everyone under the age of 77 (my FIL) has a mobile phone ... They may even vote MFP instead of PTP at the next election.

 

Meantime wokeness - the 80% exaggerated & ridiculous - is just a passing phase. It will have been forgotten in 10 years. And the 20% that makes some sense - greater sensitivity to the effects of our actions & feelings on other people - will endure under other labels. No point in getting hysterical.

 

 

[Sunmaster]

2 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

It will have been forgotten in 10 years.

10 more years!?!? Good Lord....

[riclag]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Racists don't get to change the dictionary.

 

But the Woke brigade does.

The do gooders just couldn’t leave well enough alone!

Cancel culture, wokeism and the left

ruined society .

Just look at the attacks on the comedian,Dave Chapel .

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/05/19/americans-and-cancel-culture-where-some-see-calls-for-accountability-others-see-censorship-punishment/

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Hard for me not to laugh. Most of the people rabbiting on above - for & against - are living in Thailand, which must surely rank down there (or up there) in the bottom/top least 'woke' countries in the world.

 

My Thai Khmer peasant family is just emerging from the 1950s in to the light of the late C20th - technologically, economically, culturally. Some of the children are even already dealing in & trying out assorted illegal drugs. And everyone under the age of 77 (my FIL) has a mobile phone ... They may even vote MFP instead of PTP at the next election.

 

Meantime wokeness - the 80% exaggerated & ridiculous - is just a passing phase. It will have been forgotten in 10 years. And the 20% that makes some sense - greater sensitivity to the effects of our actions & feelings on other people - will endure under other labels. No point in getting hysterical.

 

 

Well said the Russian propagandists are even using anti-wokeness in their absurd caricatures of Western society. 

 

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes...sooo inclusive....

 

Indeed. I include all those who stoop to hate speech and hide behind first amendment rights. It's cowardly. No other western nation permits hate speech.

[retarius]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

The mere use of the term racism in non academic social discourse to insult is racist. Only racists do it. In every context it's used there is at least a racist undercurrent and at worst, explicit racism.

Risible.

[retarius]

15 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Hard for me not to laugh. Most of the people rabbiting on above - for & against - are living in Thailand, which must surely rank down there (or up there) in the bottom/top least 'woke' countries in the world.

 

My Thai Khmer peasant family is just emerging from the 1950s in to the light of the late C20th - technologically, economically, culturally. Some of the children are even already dealing in & trying out assorted illegal drugs. And everyone under the age of 77 (my FIL) has a mobile phone ... They may even vote MFP instead of PTP at the next election.

 

Meantime wokeness - the 80% exaggerated & ridiculous - is just a passing phase. It will have been forgotten in 10 years. And the 20% that makes some sense - greater sensitivity to the effects of our actions & feelings on other people - will endure under other labels. No point in getting hysterical.

 

 

I beg to differ. The activist make a living out off this.....no issues about wokeness to act up against, no payouts. They won't let this religion die. What else would they do?

[retarius]

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well said the Russian propagandists are even using anti-wokeness in their absurd caricatures of Western society. 

 

Brilliant stuff. 

[retarius]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

The do gooders just couldn’t leave well enough alone!

Cancel culture, wokeism and the left

ruined society .

Just look at the attacks on the comedian,Dave Chapel .

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/05/19/americans-and-cancel-culture-where-some-see-calls-for-accountability-others-see-censorship-punishment/

And the attacks on Ricky Gervais. I love Chapelle and Gervis's work, and their total blanking of the woke brigade. 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

10 more years!?!? Good Lord....

~ Let's hope that we did reach Peak Wokeness in 2023, and that the nonsense will gradually fade away in 2024.  But I am not very optimistic on this matter as the woke mentality has been deeply ingrained and for sure we haven't seen the end of it yet. 

But voting with your wallet, by not supporting woke organizations and refraining from using their products/services can make a difference as the Bud Light saga shows. 

And organizations that hire/promote on DIE criteria instead of merit/qualifications will have to learn it the hard way.  It will take one or more internal crises and drastic measures/overhauls before they change their ways. 

Also on country-level, it looks that people have had enough as the election of Argentina's new President Millei shows. I do not agree with all his policies but his blunt anti-woke stance is more than refreshing in the Politically Correct climate.  

[EVENKEEL]

39 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Anybody with concerns about illegal immigration is not racist. This is why the left hate the wingnuts so much. The filth in our society want to project these negative stereotypes on and dehumanize their political adversaries.

"The Filth"  Man, you're a firecracker today. Thanks for the laugh.

[Sunmaster]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Indeed. I include all those who stoop to hate speech and hide behind first amendment rights. It's cowardly. No other western nation permits hate speech.

First amendment is for US citizens only. What has that got to do with us here in Thailand?
Who defines what hate speak is? You? Wokes? 
If I say that Zionism is the cause of much suffering, is that hate speech? Am I an antisemite? Should I be silenced for the greater good of your personal feelings?

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

If a person chooses (or excludes) a romantic partner based on race, that's racism.

I hadn't thought of that one,   so white man taking a black wife could be  guilty of racism , likewise  a white man taking a white wife could also be guilty of racism,  whatever their real reasons for choosing their partner, both are leaving themselves wide open to accusations ,and once the accusations have been made , it would be almost  impossible to defend themselves  by any sort of meaningful discussion 

Its like a cross between Catch 22  and the Spanish inquisition,  With a bit of the Salem witch trials thrown in for good measure

[retarius]

3 hours ago, proton said:

Even Ricky is 'woke'

 

 

Brilliantly funny. All great comedy has an element of truth.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

First sentence is racism. Second sentence is baby talk.

 

That blacks have a statistically higher probability of legal problems isn't racist.  It's a documented fact.  12.5% of the population and 33-36% of the arrests.  Or do you believe the wokies that try to convince us they're being picked on?

 

 

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

 

[retarius]

6 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

First amendment is for US citizens only. What has that got to do with us here in Thailand?
Who defines what hate speak is? You? Wokes? 
If I say that Zionism is the cause of much suffering, is that hate speech? Am I an antisemite? Should I be silenced for the greater good of your personal feelings?

Yeah I'm sick of these folk setting themselves up to judge others. "Judge not, lest you be judges and found wanting". The arrogant woke types will be judged soon and found wanting brains. 

[retarius]

Just now, impulse said:

 

That blacks have a statistically higher probability of legal problems isn't racist.  It's a documented fact.  12.5% of the population and 33-36% of the arrests.  Or do you believe the wokies that try to convince us they're being picked on?

 

 

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

 

Nothing like facts to deal with is there. 12.5 % of the population commit 33% of violent crimes. Yeah let's have these bros in the boardroom or better yet, how about President of Harvard.

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

"The Filth"  Man, you're a firecracker today. Thanks for the laugh.

 

I unreservedly condemn everyone who engages in hate speech in the strongest words possible. It's sociopathic behaviour.

[retarius]

33 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Indeed. I include all those who stoop to hate speech and hide behind first amendment rights. It's cowardly. No other western nation permits hate speech.

You sound like YOU think that western nations are morally superior to others. Isn't that racism???? Yes of course it is, measuring others by your own standards. Who says your standards are moral or ethical? Certainly, not me. 

[Sunmaster]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

I unreservedly condemn everyone who engages in hate speech in the strongest words possible. It's sociopathic behaviour.

Now let's find out what exactly you consider hate speech. 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, retarius said:

Nothing like facts to deal with is there. 12.5 % of the population commit 33% of violent crimes. Yeah let's have these bros in the boardroom or better yet, how about President of Harvard.

 

Sure, if they've got the talent, the experience and the smarts. (And didn't plagiarize their work).  Lots of excellent black leaders all over in business, gub'ment and academia.  But don't hire or promote them over other, more qualified candidates just because they tick a box.  That's reverse racism, which is still racism.

 

Edit:  Can you imagine the NBA if they required racial quotas and only 12.5% of the players can be black?

Edited January 4 by impulse

[retarius]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Sure, if they've got the talent, the experience and the smarts. (And didn't plagiarize their work).  Lots of excellent black leaders all over in business, gub'ment and academia.  But don't promote them just because they tick a box.  That's reverse racism, which is still racism.

 

 

You haven't addressed violent crime by blacks. It is a staggering 3 fold higher than violent crime by whites

[Bday Prang]

4 hours ago, proton said:

 

Not so sure, it's here but not as bad. They got rid of black man mops with the fuzzy woozie emblem and renamed Darkie toothpaste to Darlie, and that was years ago

And the Apache cough medicine ad must be on borrowed time

[impulse]

1 minute ago, retarius said:

You haven't addressed violent crime by blacks. It is a staggering 3 fold higher than violent crime by whites

 

But here's the deal.  Just like Jesse Jackson, I'm a racist when I feel safer encountering a group of white kids after dark.  I think differently, and that's racism.  But I don't act on it.  I do my best to deal with the individual, and trite as is may sound, a lot of my good friends (and roomies) have been black.  And people I've worked with and promoted.  That's what Equal Opportunity laws are about.  They know they can't dictate or control feelings.  Just actions.

 

 

Source:  https://quotefancy.com/quote/247823/Jesse-Jackson-There-is-nothing-more-painful-to-me-at-this-stage-in-my-life-than-to-walk

[JonnyF]

53 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes...sooo inclusive....

 

They love inclusivity. Unless of course it is white people being excluded from positions due to "positive discrimination". They're fine with that.. You see they abhor racism except when it is directed at whites and Jews.  

 

Just as they love diversity - except of course diversity of opinion. Anyone who disagrees with them is scum, flith, spewing "hate speech". 

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

Meantime wokeness - the 80% exaggerated & ridiculous - is just a passing phase. It will have been forgotten in 10 years. And the 20% that makes some sense - greater sensitivity to the effects of our actions & feelings on other people - will endure under other labels. No point in getting hysterical.

 

The guys living in Thailand are shielded from it to a large degree.   I recently spent about 4 years in the USA and it's not as easy to overlook.

 

Edited January 4 by impulse

[Iamloki]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Let's start at the beginning. Woke means understanding racial inequality. Emphasis on understanding.

That is what I still do not understand... Woke means the past tense of wake...

This morning I woke up... tomorrow, if I am lucky, I will wake up... and if I am really lucky... a man will be a man, a woman will be a woman... and all the women will be glad for it...

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, retarius said:

You haven't addressed violent crime by blacks. It is a staggering 3 fold higher than violent crime by whites

              And don't the wokies tie themselves up in knots over that,    In the UK, victims of knife crime are predominately black, that is an indisputable fact,likewise the overwhelming majority of those committing the attacks on the black victims, are also black! also indisputable

               In an attempt to protect the victims of knife crime the police introduced stop and search measures,  I think most people would agree that stopping and searching little old ladies would be pretty pointless and a waste of time, so the police directed there attention at the group to which the majority of the perpetrators of knife crime belong to  IE young black youths , Three things happened

 

1)   A lot of black youths were caught with knives

2)  A lot of potential black victims were spared a very painful experience and black lives were saved 

3)  A lot of woke people got very very upset

 

why did they get upset,  basically three reasons all evidence of what they call racism

 

1) not many white old ladies were searched = racism

2) Some black people as expected, were found not to be carrying knives and were allowed to continue going about their lawful business having been slightly delayed  = racism

3 They found the amount of black youths caught carrying knives to be "uncomfortable"  = racism

 

For some reason they jumped to the conclusion that the police were racist, the police in the Uk are not racist they hate everybody equally 

[impulse]

37 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I hadn't thought of that one,   so white man taking a black wife could be  guilty of racism , likewise  a white man taking a white wife could also be guilty of racism,  whatever their real reasons for choosing their partner, both are leaving themselves wide open to accusations ,and once the accusations have been made , it would be almost  impossible to defend themselves  by any sort of meaningful discussion 

Its like a cross between Catch 22  and the Spanish inquisition,  With a bit of the Salem witch trials thrown in for good measure

 

When it comes to romantic wokeism*, my favorites are the 300 pounders screaming misogyny when they spend more lonely nights at home than their 130 pound friends.

 

Regarding race and romance, if you're a white guy and you choose Joy Behar over Halle Barry just based on race, you have a bigger problem than being a racist.   That's just stupid.

 

*Yeah, that's an ever changing meaning of "woke".

 

[Bday Prang]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

They love inclusivity. Unless of course it is white people being excluded from positions due to "positive discrimination". They're fine with that.. You see they abhor racism except when it is directed at whites and Jews.  

 

Just as they love diversity - except of course diversity of opinion. Anyone who disagrees with them is scum, flith, spewing "hate speech". 

 

The irony is palpable but they just don't see it