9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course it wants a frigging ceasefire, its getting pummeled!  Hamas is in no position to demand anything when it still holds hostages and uses Gazans as human shields. They are terrorists, their demands are well documented, to rid Israel of all Jews and repeat Oct 7th again and again.

 

   A ceasefire now by Israel  would mean a Hamas victory .

Hamas would make huge demands for the remaining hostages 

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4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Simple way to stop the Houthis attacking ships in the Red Sea, stop Israeli aggression on Gaza.

Did you cook that one up in a tunnel with your mates...

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Simple way to stop the Houthis attacking ships in the Red Sea, stop Israeli aggression on Gaza.

You really think that if we gave into the Houthi attacks, they wouldn't find another pretext for attacking commercial shipping?

 

You don't stop a bully by surrendering to them.

 

Notice that the Houthis have stopped coordinated attacks since they got pounded? They may try again, but major volleys expose them to counter-battery fire, so, at some point, they will lay low and hope we get tired of patrolling the Red Sea.

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yep. Exactly the reason Israel will not allow Hamas to repeat 7th Oct and why the war against them started then.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

See you here on the next “7th of October”. 

3 minutes ago, NextG said:

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

See you here on the next “7th of October”. 

Doubtful:

 

100 days since Hamas attacked Israel, triggering war in Gaza

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67972962

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yep. Exactly the reason Israel will not allow Hamas to repeat 7th Oct and why the war against them started then.

As you know very well you're completely misrepresenting the post you reply to.

 

But you really think this war will prevent Hamas from a repeat?

12 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As you know very well you're completely misrepresenting the post you reply to.

 

But you really think this war will prevent Hamas from a repeat?

You think?

 

1 hour ago, NextG said:

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

I think differently and the reason I replied as I did, which also happens to be very true:

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yep. Exactly the reason Israel will not allow Hamas to repeat 7th Oct and why the war against them started then.

 

As to your question, of course there will be no repeats of Oct 7th. Israel will never allow atrocities to happen like that again from such barbarians. Having experienced, tortures, mass rapes, mutilations, execution's, burning alive and hostage taking, no, it will never happen again and why there is a war happening now. History will not repeat itself.

 

https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1746440712793571754

 

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You think?

 

I think differently and the reason I replied as I did, which also happens to be very true:

 

 

As to your question, of course there will be no repeats of Oct 7th. Israel will never allow atrocities to happen like that again from such barbarians. Having experienced, tortures, mass rapes, mutilations, execution's, burning alive and hostage taking, no, it will never happen again and why there is a war happening now. History will not repeat itself.

 

https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/1746440712793571754

 

Thanks, but that's not an answer to my question.

I asked whether this war will prevent a repeat, you answered a repeat won't happen. So in your opinion, a repeat won't happen because of this war?

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As you know very well you're completely misrepresenting the post you reply to.

 

But you really think this war will prevent Hamas from a repeat?

 

I think it will prevent Hamas from repeating the same thing, yes. Of course, if given the chance, Hamas will come up with another way to mass kill Israelis - but I think it will take a long time, and will be harder to execute. Then, there's the question of what will be Israel's response if there's another such attempt. Given that the Hamas already declared it will try this again, the monies that will be spent on Gaza reconstruction are destined to go down the drain.

 

The point was made often on these topics - completely eradicating Hamas is just words. Diminishing the threat it represents? More doable. In that regard, the current war effort by Israel is not quite 'there' yet, but advancing.

 

With regard to the Houthis, it's the same thing, really. You give them what they demand now, and they're sure to come up with other demands in the future, holding maritime commerce hostage whenever it suits.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Thanks, but that's not an answer to my question.

I asked whether this war will prevent a repeat, you answered a repeat won't happen. So in your opinion, a repeat won't happen because of this war?

Cannot you not even read my post and response?

 

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

As to your question, of course there will be no repeats of Oct 7th. Israel will never allow atrocities to happen like that again from such barbarians. Having experienced, tortures, mass rapes, mutilations, execution's, burning alive and hostage taking, no, it will never happen again and why there is a war happening now. History will not repeat itself

 

Please confine debates about Gaza in the appropriate section.

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Cannot you not even read my post and response?

 

 

Thanks, in spite of the unnecessary insult. A reason for a war doesn't mean the war will end the cause.

Just now, stevenl said:

Thanks, in spite of the unnecessary insult.

Go away, don't bother with the questions next time and you wont be disappointed

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Go away, don't bother with the questions next time and you wont be disappointed.

You're better of not posting if you don't want to be asked questions.

Just now, stevenl said:

You're better of not posting if you don't want to be asked questions.

ignoring more trolling baits from you, from someone who cant read my posts to start with

Amid the Middle East crisis, Lord David Cameron says that not acting would be accepting that Houthi attacks could "virtually shut a vital sea lane with relative impunity"

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-crisis-david-cameron-says-britain-could-strike-houthis-in-yemen-again-13047954

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6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course it wants a frigging ceasefire, its getting pummeled!  Hamas is in no position to demand anything when it still holds hostages and uses Gazans as human shields. They are terrorists, their demands are well documented, to rid Israel of all Jews and repeat Oct 7th again and again.

 

While Hamas holds 100 or so hostages it is in a position to demand a total ceasefire. I doubt that those hostages will get out alive if there isn't a permanent ceasefire and then some, we will see.

 

The best chance for a ceasefire is coming from Israelis. Thousands demonstrated looking for Natanyahu to resign.

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

While Hamas holds 100 or so hostages it is in a position to demand a total ceasefire. I doubt that those hostages will get out alive if there isn't a permanent ceasefire and then some, we will see.

 

The best chance for a ceasefire is coming from Israelis. Thousands demonstrated looking for Natanyahu to resign.

Got the Hamas crystal ball out again I see. Can't even be bothered to check the correct number of innocent hostages being held 🤮

11 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You really think that if we gave into the Houthi attacks, they wouldn't find another pretext for attacking commercial shipping?

 

You don't stop a bully by surrendering to them.

 

Notice that the Houthis have stopped coordinated attacks since they got pounded? They may try again, but major volleys expose them to counter-battery fire, so, at some point, they will lay low and hope we get tired of patrolling the Red Sea.

Could also be simpler than that. Perhaps ships with israeli connections have ceased trying to transit through the Red Sea.

16 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Oh, you're doing that I-will-tell-you-what-you-actually-meant bit? 'Clearly' maybe in your mind. The way I see it, you're just looking for any bit you can twist, just to score a point - whether things were actually said or not, that's a minor consideration for you. That's how you role, and that's why there are less and less posters who engage with you.

 

Allow me to dismiss your nonsense about there being only one consideration relevant for Saudi Arabia's position. That you tend to over simplify these things to suit whichever current argument you're pushing is nothing new.

 

All of your argumentative stance stems from the fact that you don't actually pay attention to what people actually post, but rather engage in some imaginary points that you seem to think they should have posted. I clearly said that there are no good solutions - how is this different from from your last bit of waffle?

 

And yet again - you dodge. You do not address the futile nature of the 'solution' the author puts forth. Nor does this silliness address the fact that appeasing the Houthis once might very well lead to them repeating this trick whenever they want something.

Back on topic:

 

Not taking military action against the Houthis would have led to "more attacks" in the Red Sea, according to Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron.

The British military took part in a joint operation in Yemen alongside the US this week in retaliation for the targeting of international trade in the key shipping lane - followed up by a fresh attack by the US on Friday night.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-attacks-in-red-sea-if-uk-didnt-act-says-david-cameron-as-he-defends-military-action-13048021

Opinion Piece

 

A regional war in the Middle East is already here

For decades a low-intensity regional war in the Middle East has been ongoing, but it took Hamas’s surprise attack on Israel on Oct. 7 to bring this conflict into sharper focus.  

For some time, a mostly shadowy “gray zone” contest for influence in Syria and Iraq has taken place. Occasionally, “tit-for-tat attacks” play out elsewhere in the Middle East. But now, the conflict is coalescing into a full-blown Iranian axis of resistance that’s been growing stronger for years. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4405070-a-regional-war-in-the-middle-east-is-already-here/

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Could also be simpler than that. Perhaps ships with israeli connections have ceased trying to transit through the Red Sea.

Why aren't the Houthis lobbing missiles at foreign warships in the Red Sea?

China calls for an end to attacks on civilian vessels in the Red Sea

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

China calls for an end to attacks on civilian vessels in the Red Sea

It's hard to know if the Iranians enjoy enough influence over the Houthis to stop them from attacking shipping. But China and others could do their bit by not purchasing Iranian oil and gas.

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Opinion Piece

 

A regional war in the Middle East is already here

For decades a low-intensity regional war in the Middle East has been ongoing, but it took Hamas’s surprise attack on Israel on Oct. 7 to bring this conflict into sharper focus.  

For some time, a mostly shadowy “gray zone” contest for influence in Syria and Iraq has taken place. Occasionally, “tit-for-tat attacks” play out elsewhere in the Middle East. But now, the conflict is coalescing into a full-blown Iranian axis of resistance that’s been growing stronger for years. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4405070-a-regional-war-in-the-middle-east-is-already-here/

From this link: "even the ghosts of the Israel-Palestine colonial past are being resurrected in polarizing debates about this conflict."  A lot of attempts at rehashing this by certain individuals on this forum.  Enough, already.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

It's hard to know if the Iranians enjoy enough influence over the Houthis to stop them from attacking shipping. But China and others could do their bit by not purchasing Iranian oil and gas.

The U.S. has stepped up its efforts to halt revenues supporting the Houthi attacks by issuing new sanctions, some with connections to Iran. And as far as the mullahs go, they know a direct confrontation with the U.S. would be a disaster for Iran.

So it is in their best interests to stop the attacks on shipping.  If Iran refuses to replenish the Houthi arsenal then it will be just a matter of time before they run out of steam.

China, in the meantime, is does not want to see a full-on regional conflict since it will certainly curtail their oil imports from the Middle East.  The Chinese are already having a hard time meeting electrical power needs and are turning more and more to coal.

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Why aren't the Houthis lobbing missiles at foreign warships in the Red Sea?

 

... believe I heard in yesterdays news these cretinistas attacked one heap transporting oil for the russkies, oopsy, honest mistake - guess f'n borschties won't be happy, all that 'sympathising' for nuthin, 5555 ...