British lawmakers pass Sunak’s controversial Rwanda asylum plan

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Off shore processing worked in Australia - reduced the number of illegal immigrants a lot. Current lefwing mobin Govt are looking to pull the rules back, but they realise it would be political suicide in Australia to allow unfetted illegal immigration.  The right wing PM Hoaward won few elections in the past, mainly based on this subject - 'stopping the boats'. 

So how is it working here according to this thread?

[Martin71]

Just a couple of stories from the UK today..... this is why we need to kick illegals out....

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68774242

 

https://news.sky.com/story/over-half-of-appeals-against-home-office-asylum-decisions-are-successful-as-sex-offender-allowed-to-stay-13110956

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, Martin71 said:

Just a couple of stories from the UK today..... this is why we need to kick illegals out....

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68774242

 

https://news.sky.com/story/over-half-of-appeals-against-home-office-asylum-decisions-are-successful-as-sex-offender-allowed-to-stay-13110956

So how is the Rwanda plan working out?

[CG1 Blue]

20 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So how is the Rwanda plan working out?

That's like asking how the Paris 2024 Olympics are going. The Rwanda plan hasn't started yet. 

 

The Rwanda plan is intended to deter migrants from paying thousands of pounds to people smugglers in order to make dangerous sea crossings. If there is a chance they might be flown off to Rwanda upon arrival, they won't risk paying the people smugglers or risk their lives crossing the Channel. 

 

The threat of being sent to Rwanda is non existent at the moment because human rights lawyers stopped the flights. Legislation will soon be passed that prevents those lawyers from doing the same again. Only then will we be able to find out 'how the Rwanda plan is working out'. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, Martin71 said:

Just a couple of stories from the UK today..... this is why we need to kick illegals out....

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68774242

 

https://news.sky.com/story/over-half-of-appeals-against-home-office-asylum-decisions-are-successful-as-sex-offender-allowed-to-stay-13110956

So perhaps  you would agree that the Government should not have cut funding to clearing asylum seekers and actually dealt with the problem rather than manipulating the numbers?!

 

https://www.ft.com/content/0f148bc5-2088-4564-b6be-9b4e9a5b288b

[Seppius]

Be cheaper to meet them in the channel and tow them back to France, It's an EU problem not UK

 

Stop the Boats with our 6 Point Plan.
Recognise a national Security Threat. Leave the European Convention on Human Rights: Zero Illegal Immigrants to be Resettled in the UK; Offshore Processing for Illegal Arrivals; New Department of Immigration; Pick up Migrants out of Boats and Take Back to France. (We are legally allowed to do this under international treaties).

 

https://www.reformparty.uk/immigration

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Leave the European Convention on Human Rights

To quote Benjamin Franklin’s wise words:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

Give up this rightwing extremist dream of leaving the European Convention on Human rights.

 

It underpins the cooperation between European Nations and the UK, leaving  the convention would end extradition treaties between the UK and European nations, end the sharing of data between European law enforcement and the UK, end the sharing of personal data between European based companies and the UK and scupper the Good Friday Agreement, which is founded on the European Convention of Human Rights.

So away with you and your rightwing extremist nonsense 

 

It ain’t going to happen.

 

 

[Seppius]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To quote Benjamin Franklin’s wise words:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

Give up this rightwing extremist dream of leaving the European Convention on Human rights.

 

It underpins the cooperation between European Nations and the UK, leaving  the convention would end extradition treaties between the UK and European nations, end the sharing of data between European law enforcement and the UK, end the sharing of personal data between European based companies and the UK and scupper the Good Friday Agreement, which is founded on the European Convention of Human Rights.

So away with you and your rightwing extremist nonsense 

 

It ain’t going to happen.

 

 

No need to worry your lefties will get in with a huge majority, then the country will really be in the poo

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Seppius said:

No need to worry your lefties will get in with a huge majority, then the country will really be in the poo

So it won’t be ‘Reform UK with their plans to rid the UK of human rights laws then.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

So how is it working here according to this thread?

Where is "here"? Assuming it's Britain, they don't have it in operation yet, so how can it be working or not?

 

IMO it's insane to allow thousands of people that arrive illegally without any cultural affinity to or any qualifications needed in the country they invade to remain, and expect no fundamental problems to eventuate.

 

Britain should remove themselves from the UN charter that makes them liable to give illegals support. As long as they do so, the illegals will still keep coming.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where is "here"? Assuming it's Britain, they don't have it in operation yet, so how can it be working or not?

 

IMO it's insane to allow thousands of people that arrive illegally without any cultural affinity to or any qualifications needed in the country they invade to remain, and expect no fundamental problems to eventuate.

 

Britain should remove themselves from the UN charter that makes them liable to give illegals support. As long as they do so, the illegals will still keep coming.

So the answer to the 14 years of Government failure to use laws already in place, or even process and deport bogus asylum seekers is to remove the UK from the International Conventions of which the UK was a founding member and instrumental in their drafting.

 

There’s an alternative.

 

Get rid of the failed government and its failed policies and deal with the problem rationally and within the law.

 

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

That's like asking how the Paris 2024 Olympics are going. The Rwanda plan hasn't started yet. 

 

The Rwanda plan is intended to deter migrants from paying thousands of pounds to people smugglers in order to make dangerous sea crossings. If there is a chance they might be flown off to Rwanda upon arrival, they won't risk paying the people smugglers or risk their lives crossing the Channel. 

 

The threat of being sent to Rwanda is non existent at the moment because human rights lawyers stopped the flights. Legislation will soon be passed that prevents those lawyers from doing the same again. Only then will we be able to find out 'how the Rwanda plan is working out'. 

 

 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where is "here"? Assuming it's Britain, they don't have it in operation yet, so how can it be working or not?

 

IMO it's insane to allow thousands of people that arrive illegally without any cultural affinity to or any qualifications needed in the country they invade to remain, and expect no fundamental problems to eventuate.

 

Britain should remove themselves from the UN charter that makes them liable to give illegals support. As long as they do so, the illegals will still keep coming.

So you think it's working well. Ok.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13286209/Suella-Bravermans-Rwandan-homes-deported-UK-migrants-sold-locals-Kigali-Conservative-policy-continues-flounder.html

[TroubleandGrumpy]

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

So how is it working here according to this thread?

You mean - how will it work in UK if they adopt the full Australian system?

Boats are interceptred and passengers arrested and taken to off-shore processing.

Their 'rights' under UN convention are on hold pending assesment of their claims - they also have reduced rights of appeal etc.

Takes many years to be processed and even if determined to be a refuge they can be sent to another 'safe' country.

Reduces the benefit for illegal immigrants to pay people smugglars - and reduces deaths lost at sea when boats collapse.

[Seppius]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So it won’t be ‘Reform UK with their plans to rid the UK of human rights laws then.

Not a chance, be lucky if they win 1 seat, millions will vote for them, but will not convert into seats

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

 

So you think it's working well. Ok.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13286209/Suella-Bravermans-Rwandan-homes-deported-UK-migrants-sold-locals-Kigali-Conservative-policy-continues-flounder.html

Hasn't even started so what are you on about?

[CG1 Blue]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To quote Benjamin Franklin’s wise words:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

Give up this rightwing extremist dream of leaving the European Convention on Human rights.

 

It underpins the cooperation between European Nations and the UK, leaving  the convention would end extradition treaties between the UK and European nations, end the sharing of data between European law enforcement and the UK, end the sharing of personal data between European based companies and the UK and scupper the Good Friday Agreement, which is founded on the European Convention of Human Rights.

So away with you and your rightwing extremist nonsense 

 

It ain’t going to happen.

 

 

Absolute nonsense and fear mongering. New arrangements will be made for all those things. Lefties are such drama queens...

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Absolute nonsense and fear mongering. New arrangements will be made for all those things. Lefties are such drama queens...

The absolute nonsense is the suggestion that the UK should leave the convention.

 

It’s an extremist rightwing fantasy.

 

It’s not going to happen for the reasons I’ve explained and many others, not least Reform UK are doing a great job destroying the Tory Party.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Seppius said:

Not a chance, be lucky if they win 1 seat, millions will vote for them, but will not convert into seats

Agreed.

 

And here’s the idiocy of the rightwing argument.

 

The Tory’s failed Rwanda plan has never once been put before the European Court of Human Rights. Each successful challenge to the ‘plan’ has come from

the UK courts ruling on matters of UK law.

 

What is actually going on is the extreme rightwing, a bunch of hyper wealthy old school chums (AKA the very elite that they claim to be opposing) are using the Tory failure to control immigration as an argument to get rid of human rights law.

 

 

 

 

[stevenl]

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You mean - how will it work in UK if they adopt the full Australian system?

Boats are interceptred and passengers arrested and taken to off-shore processing.

Their 'rights' under UN convention are on hold pending assesment of their claims - they also have reduced rights of appeal etc.

Takes many years to be processed and even if determined to be a refuge they can be sent to another 'safe' country.

Reduces the benefit for illegal immigrants to pay people smugglars - and reduces deaths lost at sea when boats collapse.

Thanks for the correction but that's not what I meant. I meant what I said, not what you imagined.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hasn't even started so what are you on about?

I know, understanding the topic requires reading the link. Not your forte when your opinion is set already.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

I know, understanding the topic requires reading the link. Not your forte when your opinion is set already.

OK, I just read it and it's nothing to do with the OP. That's another 10 minutes of my life wasted.

 

Now, do you have anything to say about the topic, or just going to deflect again?

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

OK, I just read it and it's nothing to do with the OP. That's another 10 minutes of my life wasted.

 

Now, do you have anything to say about the topic, or just going to deflect again?

The topic is about the UK sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. For that purpose a housing estate was created. Those houses, paid for by the UK government, are now being sold to locals. So many of those houses are not available for its intended purpose.

 

You think that's off topic?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/12/2024 at 12:14 PM, stevenl said:

The topic is about the UK sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. For that purpose a housing estate was created. Those houses, paid for by the UK government, are now being sold to locals. So many of those houses are not available for its intended purpose.

 

You think that's off topic?

Of course it's a deflection. Just because those houses were stolen does not mean that illegals can't be sent to Rwanda.

 

Trying to disparage the idea of sending illegals to Rwanda, which hasn't actually started, is fine, but hopefully not going to change them being sent.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it's a deflection. Just because those houses were stolen does not mean that illegals can't be sent to Rwanda.

 

Trying to disparage the idea of sending illegals to Rwanda, which hasn't actually started, is fine, but hopefully not going to change them being sent.

Perhaps the fact that the houses built in Rwanda with UK tax payer’s money are now being sold to locals in Rwanda is an indication of how this farce is progressing.

 

It ought to at least raise a few concerns, not least because of the failure of the Tory Government to build affordable homes in the UK.

Isn’t the rightwing cry usually ‘charity begins at home’?

 

 

 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps the fact that the houses built in Rwanda with UK tax payer’s money are now being sold to locals in Rwanda is an indication of how this farce is progressing.

 

It ought to at least raise a few concerns, not least because of the failure of the Tory Government to build affordable homes in the UK.

Isn’t the rightwing cry usually ‘charity begins at home’?

 

 

 

Build affordable homes to give to your asylum seekers, more like.......😃

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, transam said:

Build affordable homes to give to your asylum seekers, more like.......😃

I don’t have, nor never have had, any asylum seekers.

 

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t have, nor never have had, any asylum seekers.

 

 

A supporter, of.......😉

Of course you know how the UK will house them all, too............🤭