NoshowJones Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: Unfortunately, being in uproar has never had any positive outcome. Nothing happens apart from the government using the army to attack Thais, and then it all fades away with nothing at all achieved, except to give people jobs rebuilding damaged or destroyed infrastructure. And so that is why they weren't in uproar over the stolen election. People know that, at the end of the day, they are completely powerless and nothing they do will make any difference. Maybe so but Spidermike is spot on with his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00dle Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: It seems slowly Thais learn that if they vote for corrupt individuals then they end up with a corrupt government. is that what they learned this time around? it seems to me they learned that their vote can be easily overturned due to a stacked senate and dodgy constitution Edited January 22 by n00dle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Definitely not worth going to jail for. Nothing is going to change unless there's something like what's occurring in Myanmar. Corruption, lies, abuse of power, etc is too ingrained for peaceful protests to make a difference IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, Dogmatix said: Stolen from them by Thaksin who sold out to the military in order to come home without having to go to prison. Without Thaksin the military had no way to steal the election and they are only a small part of the government anyway. The military should not have any part at all, they are soldiers, not politicians, and the former unelected soldier who started the 2014 coup should be arrested and jailed, it is only his generals who will object. The majority of the soldiers supported by their families might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, n00dle said: is that what they learned this time around? it seems to me they learned that their vote can be easily overturned due to a stacked senate and dodgy constitution Just like the voting before. It's a feeling of complete uselessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, thecyclist said: Not quite. Massive street protests have resulted in the toppling of authoritarian regimes. Ask General Suchinda, who was toppled by street protests in 1992. Of course, this is a new generation of Thais, glued to their devices, Tiktok and their influencers, a lethargic nation. Also, it is not enough to just have a few thousand or tens of thousands demonstrating.Back then you had a million or more hitting the streets, paralyzing Bkk.It can be done, and it has been done. But maybe not with this generation. All you say is true. But what long-term effect did it ultimately have? None, or we wouldn't behaving this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Ralf001 said: Rubber bullets will hold the protesters at bay. They used real bullets against the Reds while Abhisit and Suthep were on TV saying only blanks were being used. The M16's the Thai Army were using can't cycle blank ammo without a blank-firing adapter and they were caught, clear as day, on live TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Mr Meeseeks said: They used real bullets against the Reds while Abhisit and Suthep were on TV saying only blanks were being used. The M16's the Thai Army were using can't cycle blank ammo without a blank-firing adapter and they were caught, clear as day, on live TV. Real bullets, Even better ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: Unfortunately, being in uproar has never had any positive outcome. Nothing happens apart from the government using the army to attack Thais, and then it all fades away with nothing at all achieved, except to give people jobs rebuilding damaged or destroyed infrastructure. And so that is why they weren't in uproar over the stolen election. People know that, at the end of the day, they are completely powerless and nothing they do will make any difference. "|.....nothing they do will make any difference." Correct, as the Thai people have found out - you can't fight Army Government tanks and soldiers with pitchforks and tractors. And even when you have a "democratic" election and win, there will always be some law or condition that prevents your party from taking office - if there isn't - they will find one or make one up saying that it has been there since year dot, just never used. The only way to bring this Government down is to have it brought down (diplomatically) by another country (ies) e.g. if China and the USA banned all trade and their citizens from travelling here the loss of income would be catastrophic, and if the elite of this country don't have their millions coming in, that's when change will happen! BAHT IS KING!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, sambum said: The only way to bring this Government down is to have it brought down (diplomatically) by another country (ies) e.g. if China and the USA banned all trade and their citizens from travelling here the loss of income would be catastrophic, and if the elite of this country don't have their millions coming in, that's when change will happen! BAHT IS KING!!! The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's fart about Thailand. What happens in Thailand only matters to those within its borders. Now, if the world did what you say to China that's a different thing. But that won't happen either. Money is king. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecyclist Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 46 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: All you say is true. But what long-term effect did it ultimately have? None, or we wouldn't behaving this conversation. What long-term effect does anything ultimately have? We all gonna die,and the whole universe is ultimately going to either explode in one giant supernova or end in an eternal total,cold entropic inertia. Two answers to that question that Camus asked in the "Myth of Sisyphus : 1)Yours, do nothing because in the end it's all pointless anyway, which followed to it's logical conclusion would lead to suicide. Or 2.Camus answer/also the Buddha's answer:focus on the here and now, try to do your best in improving whatever you are capable of improving, do your part in enlightening your fellow creatures, and let the universe do what it has to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Dogmatix said: Stolen from them by Thaksin who sold out to the military in order to come home without having to go to prison. Without Thaksin the military had no way to steal the election and they are only a small part of the government anyway. They may be a small part of the government but behind the scenes my guess is that they wield a lot of control. Never forget who is the power behind the army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 14 hours ago, kiwikeith said: I think his new role is Thaksin incognito, he will have his say, but what he says will be as private as his medical care. I also don’t think he’s going to step back into the public eye and politics. He will probably be buddies with this government , but he won’t be in front. My hope is Pita in a few years time, older, and wiser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 20 hours ago, thecyclist said: Not quite. Massive street protests have resulted in the toppling of authoritarian regimes. Ask General Suchinda, who was toppled by street protests in 1992. Of course, this is a new generation of Thais, glued to their devices, Tiktok and their influencers, a lethargic nation. Also, it is not enough to just have a few thousand or tens of thousands demonstrating.Back then you had a million or more hitting the streets, paralyzing Bkk.It can be done, and it has been done. But maybe not with this generation. The challenge that the new generation has figured out is that a major street protest just gives the military ELITE the ability to take back control. What they need to do is mobilize and push the MFP and some of the other parties. They need to protest for a new election. You really do not want the military getting their foot in the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 people are being told bit and pieces about him.Is he ill needs to be in hospital etc etc.Now parole very soon and not a day in prison.I wonder want some thais think i know myself that some hate him and the sister.The powers to be at the top are being looked after,when released will they be a back lash over his treatment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Some things never get old in Thailand Edited February 17 by englishoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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