OneMoreFarang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, Denim said: Asking why someone would want vinyl when modern options offer far superior sound quality is like asking why someone would want an E-Type Jag when modern cars are much better. Why would you want an antique inlaid wooden table when IKEA have modern ones in all shapes and sizes. Sorry, no, it's not the same. When you listen to music you normally don't look at the source of that music. Now I don't look at my computer to look where the music comes from. And when I was young and had a record player (and a tape deck) I didn't watch the record rotate to somehow make the experience of listening better. How many people would in a blind test think the vinyl sounds better? I don't ask how many will hear a difference because I remember hearing all the impurities of slightly damaged or dirty records. So, what's left is the experience to take the record out, look at it, put it on the record player and watch it rotate. Yeah, what an experience... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Sorry, no, it's not the same. When you listen to music you normally don't look at the source of that music. Now I don't look at my computer to look where the music comes from. And when I was young and had a record player (and a tape deck) I didn't watch the record rotate to somehow make the experience of listening better. How many people would in a blind test think the vinyl sounds better? I don't ask how many will hear a difference because I remember hearing all the impurities of slightly damaged or dirty records. So, what's left is the experience to take the record out, look at it, put it on the record player and watch it rotate. Yeah, what an experience... You missed my first post. As explained, it's not about music quality at all. It's about It's vintage value, hence it's collectability. Like you, for me it was about the music hence no attachment to my old vinyl records. Nowadays I am happy to download from YouTube and play via USB when driving my car or listening at home. Edited January 23 by Denim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
it is what it is Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, Digitalbanana said: Why would anyone search for a vinyl record shop? The chances of finding some thing you like would be infinitesimally small since the technology is now superseded? not true at all, there are several very good vinyl shops in bangkok, many interesting and relevant lps from the 60s, 70s and 80s, you'd be surprised. especially new wave and punk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 hours ago, n00dle said: Interesting. especially the jbls Yes they can handle a lot of output and sound really well and i used to play music everyday but not so much any more. Got the amp recapped and after that have maybe put 20 hours on them. Sometimes when home alone i listen to something . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 hours ago, Denim said: Hug ? Some of those old 45's have a hole in the middle big enough to .......on second thoughts , hugging probably safer. Talking about the hole in the middle, in UK it was a small one, but there was an insert you could break out, and I seem to remember that was used in Europe. But LPs only had the small hole. Does anyone know why please? I suspect that it was easier for DJs to change records, and for juke boxes the bigger hole was better. But I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 11 hours ago, jvs said: I have Adcom pre and power amp. JBLti 5000 speakers. And hearing range up to 11- 12 kHz? If your vinyl sounds good on that equipment, just think how much better a CD or other digital media would sound. Unfortunately I only have an Arcam 50 amp and Paradigm 4 speakers fed from a Soundblaster ZxR card in my PC.. Edited January 23 by KannikaP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, KannikaP said: And hearing range up to 11- 12 kHz? If your vinyl sounds good on that equipment, just think how much better a CD or other digital media would sound. I listen to vinyl and digital music,i know my hearing is not as good anymore but that does not mean i can not enjoy music anymore. Mostly now i listen with headphones from my pc. Philips Fidelio x2hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, jvs said: I listen to vinyl and digital music,i know my hearing is not as good anymore but that does not mean i can not enjoy music anymore. Mostly now i listen with headphones from my pc. Philips Fidelio x2hr. Agree. I can only hear up to 11 kHz after 50 years playing onstage and age taking it's toll. Tested with a tone generator on my PC through Bose headphones. But I can still hear a difference when I turn the 12 or 16 kHz slider up on my graphic equaliser. However, that did lead to a blown tweeter a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: So, what's left is the experience to take the record out, look at it, put it on the record player and watch it rotate. Yeah, what an experience... Nostalgia old boy, like looking back with fondness at pleasures of younger days.....like making love all night with a new girlfriend! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Denim said: You missed my first post. As explained, it's not about music quality at all. It's about It's vintage value, hence it's collectability. Like you, for me it was about the music hence no attachment to my old vinyl records. Nowadays I am happy to download from YouTube and play via USB when driving my car or listening at home. Ok, the value of "old" vinyl records is a fact. But it seems now more new vinyl records are sold compared to CDs. Maybe those new records will have vintage value in 50 years, but definitely not now. It seems just one of those fads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, jacko45k said: Nostalgia old boy, like looking back with fondness at pleasures of younger days.....like making love all night with a new girlfriend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Expat68 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 18 hours ago, Denim said: Back in the UK vinyl records are collectables. People are not soley interested in the music on the vinyl but more because of their growing historical and nostalgic value. For example , a first pressing of Pink Floyds Dark Side of the Moon can and does sell for 1000 pounds ! Back in the UK in September I decided to clear out a lot of my stuff from my mothers house where it was stored. Adverts in the local paper for all sorts of thingws and I sold about 70% of the things I put up. The item that sold the fastest and easiest was my 40 album collection from the 70's and 80's for which asked and received 160 pounds from the first interested party. The phone continued to ring for a week after I had sold them and didn't stop until I took the advert down I brought my entire vinyl collection with me to Thailand 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, Dave250264 said: Hi all, Anyone know where I can find vinyl records in Pattaya? Cheers Do you aware of 'Luvky Home' in BKK, they have many used vinyl records, located opposite 'Toyota Auto Work' at Imperial World Samrong, coordinates: 13.645595, 100.592203 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Klong Song Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I’ve got some vinyl records I would be willing to part with, what type of music are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Sorry, no, it's not the same. When you listen to music you normally don't look at the source of that music. Now I don't look at my computer to look where the music comes from. And when I was young and had a record player (and a tape deck) I didn't watch the record rotate to somehow make the experience of listening better. How many people would in a blind test think the vinyl sounds better? I don't ask how many will hear a difference because I remember hearing all the impurities of slightly damaged or dirty records. So, what's left is the experience to take the record out, look at it, put it on the record player and watch it rotate. Yeah, what an experience... Quite honestly OMF, if you've never experienced the joy of watching that Island or Harvest label spinning you've wasted your youth. :) And don't think the kids today aren't interested in that stuff with their "album art", "digital filters" etc. I've spent half my life with tagging, playlist etc. Once you have the right setup the inconvenience is minimal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Expat68 said: I brought my entire vinyl collection with me to Thailand In a container I guess and lovingly stored in an air con room. When I was a kid there were always a lot of old vinyl records knocking around. Many were with the dog and gramophone label ' His masters voice ' Never knew what what music they had, not interested at that age. My sister used to melt them a bit in the oven and then bend them into fruit bowl shapes. Edited January 23 by Denim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, KannikaP said: Why? 21 hours ago, Digitalbanana said: Why would anyone search for a vinyl record shop? The chances of finding some thing you like would be infinitesimally small since the technology is now superseded? Vinyl sales are up and vinyl is the present trend, numerous of old albums are re-released, some even a double albums with 45RPM instead of 33RPM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, khunPer said: Vinyl sales are up and vinyl is the present trend, numerous of old albums are re-released, some even a double albums with 45RPM instead of 33RPM. It's only a passing trend. They have to make an LP a double because it is not possible to fit the data of a 33rpm LP onto one running at 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascat Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Not Pattaya but if you can go and take a look in Fortune Town in bkk. (Corner Ratchada and Rama 9). Numerous shops sell tons of vinyl at reasonable prices. Definitely worth a trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, KannikaP said: No problem. I just wonder why someone would want to listen to music with hisses and crackles, and reduced high, and low frequencies. OK, you get a big picture on the sleeve which is good if you have dodgy mincers as well as being a bit Mutton If you have those problems it's a bit collar and cuff. I'm 90 and not looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, KannikaP said: And superceded by far better audio quality. A chunk of VINYL (not VYNIL) going round and round with a needle taking up the vibrations up to maybe 16kHz in most cases. Wasn't the idea patented by a Mr Edison? No, the flat disc was invented by Emile Berliner in 1887, and further completed by Peter Goldmark to the LP-vinyl disc in 1948. Frequencies over 16kHz are not interesting, as you hardly can hear them, one non-existing musical octave more is 16-32kHz. In the lacquer cutting process the treble limiter would normally be set at 15kHz. 44kHz 16-bit linear digital sound goes up to 20kHz, which is just 1/4 of an octave over 16kHz, where you might be lucky to find some key rattling sound; which was our usual HF-test in recording studios. And you still need microphones to record acoustic sound – and overtones – but also microphones has a limit in frequency range. The best studio microphones, for example the Neumann U87 or Røde NT1, don't snap anything higher the 20kHz. Many microphones are in the range up 15kHz, which is enough in most cases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGV Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) dave i live in sattahip - i own 250 vinyl records that i want to sell - 70s 80s lots of originals - plan to leave for issan soon as girlfriend's parents are very old contact me here or at astahugo99 AT gmail.com for list if interested john from uk Edited January 23 by Rimmer email edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, KannikaP said: It's only a passing trend. They have to make an LP a double because it is not possible to fit the data of a 33rpm LP onto one running at 45. Isn't that what I just said: "double albums"... PS: I just got one of tracks I've produced re-released on a 45RPM compilation double-album vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionigi Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Nice cheap advertising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, khunPer said: No, the flat disc was invented by Emile Berliner in 1887, and further completed by Peter Goldmark to the LP-vinyl disc in 1948. Frequencies over 16kHz are not interesting, as you hardly can hear them, one non-existing musical octave more is 16-32kHz. In the lacquer cutting process the treble limiter would normally be set at 15kHz. 44kHz 16-bit linear digital sound goes up to 20kHz, which is just 1/4 of an octave over 16kHz, where you might be lucky to find some key rattling sound; which was our usual HF-test in recording studios. And you still need microphones to record acoustic sound – and overtones – but also microphones has a limit in frequency range. The best studio microphones, for example the Neumann U87 or Røde NT1, don't snap anything higher the 20kHz. Many microphones are in the range up 15kHz, which is enough in most cases... Thank you so much for that very valued and useful information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, khunPer said: Isn't that what I just said: "double albums"... PS: I just got one of tracks I've produced re-released on a 45RPM compilation double-album vinyl. Are you going to tell us the track title please? And does it sound any different, better or worse, than say the studio monitor sound, the original 45, CD or what please? Or mp3 on You Tube? Edited January 23 by KannikaP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentors65 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2024 at 3:44 PM, Dave250264 said: Hi all, Anyone know where I can find vinyl records in Pattaya? Cheers Central Festival, Boomerang Shop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, KannikaP said: Are you going to tell us the track title please? Link HERE – it's fusion jazz; I'm the original producer and publisher. Same theme use HERE (YouTube) in a more contemporary remix/new-work, one of several. More HERE of recent re-releases on vinyl and contemporary remixes/new-works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said: Once you have the right setup the inconvenience is minimal. I have the right setup. All digital until the speaker chassis. Perfect sound - at least as perfect as I am willing to invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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