How can the war between Israel and Hamas ever end when so many schools in Gaza - run by a UN agency backed by our millions - teach children to hate Jews?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Yup, you quite clearly are.

 

You can't say the UN are denying the existence of Hamas tunnels 2 days ago, whilst at the same time showing 2 articles on the UN's website from 2022 & 2021, where they clearly say they are appalled to find two tunnels on UNRWA sites. What did they do when they found the tunnels? They reported them and closed them.

 

Do you not see how ridiculous that makes you sound? You literally use the UN's own report about discovering tunnels and in the same breath accuse them of denying they exist. This must be the very definition of insanity.

Wow & you are claiming I am insane. Keep it up. All links and direct quotes are there. It not me saying its the UN

[Brickleberry]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

War is hell. Don't start them (message to Hamas). Israel didn't want this war. 

 

I have no issue with Palestinians per se as people but what makes it hard to feel love is knowing that a strong majority of them want Israel to be crushed and the Jews there to be expelled and or killed.

 

Naive propagandists (like you?) might deny that harsh reality but that doesn't change the reality on the ground. 

 

I would hope to believe that you don't need to be a Jew to understand how totally F-ed up that is!

 

 

Okay, lets say everything you said is true. Answer the following question please:

 

Why do Palestinians have a problem with Israelis?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Brickleberry said:

 

 

 

Why do Palestinians have a problem with Israelis?

 

   Is this a trick question ?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Okay, lets say everything you said is true. Answer the following question please:

 

Why do Palestinians have a problem with Israelis?

Did you read what topic you are on?

[Brickleberry]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Is this a trick question ?

 

No, it is a genuine question. What does JingThing think?

 

Are they just a bunch of hateful, racist, antisemitic people who have no reasons for their distrust and dislike of Israelis, or do they have real grievances that deserve to be heard?

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

No, it is a genuine question. What does JingThing think?

 

Are they just a bunch of hateful, racist, antisemitic people who have no reasons for their distrust and dislike of Israelis, or do they have real grievances that deserve to be heard?

 

My bet is that he'll get confused about whether the chicken or th eegg came first and come up with something like they have always (for a thousand years) had an ideological hatred of Jews. Something completely intangible. What you won't hear will be the words "land" and "water".

[Brickleberry]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

My bet is that he'll get confused about whether the chicken or th eegg came first and come up with something like they have always (for a thousand years) had an ideological hatred of Jews. Something completely intangible. What you won't hear will be the words "land" and "water".

 

Be fair, give Jingthing a chance. In fairness, Jingthing is usually one to protect peoples rights, this is why I am so confused about their stance on this issue in particular.

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

No, it is a genuine question. What does JingThing think?

 

Are they just a bunch of hateful, racist, antisemitic people who have no reasons for their distrust and dislike of Israelis, or do they have real grievances that deserve to be heard?

 

   They are following the orders of their Prophet Mohammed  , he said that it is Muslim lands and they have been instructed to forcibly take if from the Jews .Although his Dad says its Jews land 

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Be fair, give Jingthing a chance. In fairness, Jingthing is usually one to protect peoples rights, this is why I am so confused about their stance on this issue in particular.

 

It wasn't baseless speculation

[Brickleberry]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are following the orders of their Prophet Mohammed  , he said that it is Muslim lands and they have been instructed to forcibly take if from the Jews .Although his Dad says its Jews land 

 

Again not remotely true. Prior to October 7 the majority of Gazans were willing to accept a permanent two state solution based on 1967 borders. The will of the people, is to be free, and have a state of their own. They do not want Hamas in charge. They are not 'obeying orders of the prophet'. They want to live.

 

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah

 

Quote

Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” 

 

Quote

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Again not remotely true. Prior to October 7 the majority of Gazans were willing to accept a permanent two state solution based on 1967 borders. The will of the people, is to be free, and have a state of their own. They do not want Hamas in charge. They are not 'obeying orders of the prophet'. They want to live.

 

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah

 

 

 

 

 

  You are talking about some Palestinians I am talking about the leadership, those who got voted in , Hamas , I was talking about Hamas, those who attacked Israel and why they did it and what they want 

[Brickleberry]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You are talking about some Palestinians I am talking about the leadership, those who got voted in , Hamas , I was talking about Hamas, those who attacked Israel and why they did it and what they want 

Well you jumped in, and replied to a post on a conversation when we were talking about Palestinians - 70% of them polled in July 2023, a few weeks before Oct 7 wanted the PA to be the leadership.

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Again not remotely true. Prior to October 7 the majority of Gazans were willing to accept a permanent two state solution based on 1967 borders.

 

 

 

  50 % isn't a majority

 

"Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Well you jumped in, and replied to a post on a conversation when we were talking about Palestinians - 70% of them polled in July 2023, a few weeks before Oct 7 wanted the PA to be the leadership.

 

  Are you in favour of Israel removing Hamas from Gaza ?

It is what the Gazians want and Hamas wont go willingly 

[ozimoron]

 

[Brickleberry]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Are you in favour of Israel removing Hamas from Gaza ?

It is what the Gazians want and Hamas wont go willingly 

Yes, if they were doing things differently. Not the way they are currently doing it.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Yes, if they were doing things differently. Not the way they are currently doing it.

 

   What should they be doing differently ?

[Brickleberry]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

 

Just watched the video.

 

I've watched this show for a long time, and to hear Robbie agreeing with Bri that Israel has gone too far and its time to stop was astonishing. How the tables are turning. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Nor did Hamas. Nobody wants war.

Bull!

October 7 proves Hamas wanted to provoke a war.

[Bkk Brian]

Back on topic................

 

“At first, UN spokesmen denied these were made by UN staff. Yet after UN Watch published names and numbers of the participants, UN officials indicated they might investigate.”

 

UN Agency in Gaza Alleged To Have ‘Blood on Its Hands’ in Aftermath of October 7 Massacre of Israelis

Worse, he adds, in the early stages of the war, the IDF brass approached Unrwa officials, asking for help in removing civilians from areas where the army planned to wage battle, and usher them to proposed safe zones. The organization made a decision “at the highest levels” to refuse, as Hamas objected to losing human shields. 
“Had Unrwa agreed to the IDF plan, the lives of many civilians could have been spared,” Mr. Conricus says. “Not only did they refuse to cooperate, they actively prevented the creation of safe zones. They have blood on their hands.”
Yet Secretary-General Guterres is adamant that the agency will have a role in Gaza after the war. “Unrwa plays a critical role in supporting many Palestinians on education, on healthcare and other services, and it plays a stabilizing role in the region,” Mr. Dujarric told the Sun, adding that Mr. Guterres “continues to believe that.” 

https://archive.ph/cN8UU

https://www.nysun.com/article/un-agency-in-gaza-alleged-to-have-blood-on-its-hands-in-aftermath-of-october-7-massacre-of-israelis

[Bkk Brian]

Meirav Eilon Shahar Ambassador, Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations and International Organizations in Geneva

 

Al Rantisi, Kamal Adwan, Al Quds, Al Shifa, the Indonesian hospital…The list goes on. Every single hospital that IDF searched in Gaza, it found evidence of Hamas terrorist use. These are undeniable facts that @WHO chooses to ignore time and time again. This is not incompetence. It is collusion.

 

 

[ezzra]

Let's just say that the Palestinians has a legitimate quarrel with Israel, what has Iran, Hezbollah, the Hutties and all

other countries and entities who want to destroy Israel and banish it from existing and seeing all the people there gone?

having this in minds, why are many people here wondering as to the way Israel defends itself the way the do?

how ells do you defend yourself against all those how wish to destroy you, even if you give the Palestinians a homeland

of their own, do you think that those who hate Israel will stop hating Israel? would Iran, Hamas, the Hutties, Hezbollah

and all other terrorist groups will come make peace and love Israel now?...

[zhounan]

Palestinians hate Israeli.

Israeli hate Palestinians.

 

It's reciprocal. The only difference is that Palestinians provoke in words, but Israeli act with weapons, since decades.

Israeli people should stop acting as victims. 

[ezzra]

10 minutes ago, zhounan said:

Palestinians hate Israeli.

Israeli hate Palestinians.

 

It's reciprocal. The only difference is that Palestinians provoke in words, but Israeli act with weapons, since decades.

Israeli people should stop acting as victims. 

Really? where did you get the idea that Israeli hate Palestinians? mistrust them and suspect them yes, but hate them?

and Palestinians provoke in words? than what was the 7th of October all about? a misunderstanding of 1,200

people slaughtered?...

[ezzra]

 

"Iran is now a ‘legitimate target’ for Israeli missile strikes, senior minister says"

 

Mr Barkat, who is favourite to succeed Benjamin Netanyahu as leader of the ruling Likud party, said Israel could afford to keep fighting and open up a new front with Lebanon, despite the billion shekel (£200 million) a day cost of the conflict.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/24/iran-legitimate-target-israel-missile-strikes-minister-says/

 

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Let's just say that the Palestinians has a legitimate quarrel with Israel, what has Iran, Hezbollah, the Hutties and all

other countries and entities who want to destroy Israel and banish it from existing and seeing all the people there gone?

having this in minds, why are many people here wondering as to the way Israel defends itself the way the do?

how ells do you defend yourself against all those how wish to destroy you, even if you give the Palestinians a homeland

of their own, do you think that those who hate Israel will stop hating Israel? would Iran, Hamas, the Hutties, Hezbollah

and all other terrorist groups will come make peace and love Israel now?...

Something rather ionic in this post, perpetuating a narrative of perpetual victimhood while in the process of being charged of Genocide in an international court.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

OK, I concede this point. Thousands in total - men women and children.

 

Hundreds of women and kids being held WITHOUT CHARGE, and no right to a lawyer, no right to know what they are being held for etc. This is disgusting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67600015

 

No, you do not 'concede' - you still try to waffle.

Your comment was clearly wrong, and you're still at it.

Same goes for previous remarks you make on this topic and others - pushing misinformation, wrong details and arguing about endlessly.

You earlier managed to claim Rabin (Israel's assassinated Prime Minister) was a Palestinian leader, and that Hamas rode to election victory afterwards (said elections were a decade later). Same kind of BS statements all along these topics.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Being an advocate for Palestinians does not equate to being a Hamas sympathizer. How do you not have any sympathy, or empathy for the plight of the Palestinian people? Is it a lack of knowledge? Do you only hear Israel's talking points? Have you seen the conditions under which they live?

 

People like you, using discourse like this, are the problem.

 

What you most obviously try to do is minimize Hamas's role in things. Normalize it's actions and agenda. There's this things you guys are into - toss in a one liner condemning Hamas, then go on in length about how it's all Israel's fault or how 'we-don't-know' or this or that. That's what your posts are like. You do not 'advocate' for the Palestinians, you don't even seem to know much about them either.

 

As for complaining about 'talking points' - that's some nice projection job, old son.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Yup, you quite clearly are.

 

You can't say the UN are denying the existence of Hamas tunnels 2 days ago, whilst at the same time showing 2 articles on the UN's website from 2022 & 2021, where they clearly say they are appalled to find two tunnels on UNRWA sites. What did they do when they found the tunnels? They reported them and closed them.

 

Do you not see how ridiculous that makes you sound? You literally use the UN's own report about discovering tunnels and in the same breath accuse them of denying they exist. This must be the very definition of insanity.

 

That''s a nice story, bro.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Nor did Hamas. Nobody wants war.

 

@ozimoron

 

Just more of your usual pointless contrarian 'arguments'.

 

Hamas went to war on 7/10.

Hamas knew what would follow.

Hamas leaders were quick to say Palestinian casualties are necessary sacrifices.

Hamas leaders were quick to promise more such attacks would follow.

 

If your failed sophistry is that they wished real hard Israel would not retaliate, that's a nonsense argument.

And it's not even true, given their statements.

 

You're trolling.