Family friendly resort? (Part 2)

[sambum]

"Aseannow" should be renamed "Pattayanow"!

 

The headline posts nearly every day are about bad behaviour in Pattaya. These are for the most part usually concerning tourists/foreigners - at least these are the majority of incidents reported.

 

I know it's a very difficult problem to resolve, but it makes nonsense of the Police and TAT's assurances that Pattaya is a wonderful place for anyone to visit, and their assertions that everything is being done to counteract anything "damaging to the image of Pattaya"!

[Photoguy21]

8 minutes ago, sambum said:

"Aseannow" should be renamed "Pattayanow"!

 

The headline posts nearly every day are about bad behaviour in Pattaya. These are for the most part usually concerning tourists/foreigners - at least these are the majority of incidents reported.

 

I know it's a very difficult problem to resolve, but it makes nonsense of the Police and TAT's assurances that Pattaya is a wonderful place for anyone to visit, and their assertions that everything is being done to counteract anything "damaging to the image of Pattaya"!

Depends what image they want Pattaya to have.

[NanLaew]

14 minutes ago, sambum said:

"Aseannow" should be renamed "Pattayanow"!

 

The headline posts nearly every day are about bad behaviour in Pattaya. These are for the most part usually concerning tourists/foreigners - at least these are the majority of incidents reported.

 

I know it's a very difficult problem to resolve, but it makes nonsense of the Police and TAT's assurances that Pattaya is a wonderful place for anyone to visit, and their assertions that everything is being done to counteract anything "damaging to the image of Pattaya"!

 

Is the bad behavior getting worse and reports of related incidents increasing?

 

Don't forget that bad news sells and, "Deranged naked tourist breaks door in 7-eleven" will always beat, "More than 1800 visitors including 14 large tour groups visited Nong Nuch Garden yesterday" to the front page headlines.

[BigStar]

 

1 hour ago, sambum said:

The headline posts nearly every day are about bad behaviour in Pattaya.

 

"If it bleeds, it leads." Goes to back to Hearst himself, over a hundred years ago. Get with the business model. We don't like hearing any good news; we claim it's fake.

 

1 hour ago, sambum said:

it makes nonsense of the Police and TAT's assurances that Pattaya is a wonderful place for anyone to visit, and their assertions that everything is being done to counteract anything "damaging to the image of Pattaya"!

 

No. Stories about the horrific crime in Pattaya have always been a media staple, duly decried by readers and victims, or self-imagined victims, accompanied by dire predictions of the coming END of Pattaya tourism, impoverishment, and the rise of the paradise of Cambodia.

 

There are two types of articles appearing in the Pattaya Mail with regularity: those where business and political leaders decry the decline in tourism and propose ways to improve the situation; and a steadily increasing number of reports of tourists being insulted, assaulted, drugged, robbed and extorted. . . . Pattaya is being inundated with rude obnoxious thugs who do not care about the city or its visitors. . . . They are driving away the tourists and the income and jobs that they bring. Inevitably, this rabble will win as they reduce everyone to their level of poverty. Meanwhile, tourism to Cambodia is increasing by 50% every six months...[emphasis mine]
   --Lawrence Neal, "Down on Pattaya," Pattaya Mail, Vol. V No. 5 Friday 31 January 1997 - 6 February 1997

 

And that was when tourism was a mere trickle compared to what it is today. Pattaya's image hasn't been damaged in the decades ensuing. Evidently, the police and TAT have been doing a fantastic job in crime prevention and image repair. 

 

So, it's quite safe now for our ideal tourist. If only we could see these filling the cafes, we'd have no further complaints. Please talk to your friends and relatives.

 

Edited January 30 by BigStar

[HauptmannUK]

"Former fishing village Pattaya became popular with American troops on 'rest and relaxation' breaks in the 1960s when the U.S. military had bases in Thailand.

 

In the ensuing years, the coastal resort spawned into a semi-barbarous sex-tourism hellscape."

 

The above appeared in the UK's Daily Mail in connection with the recent 'fake kidnap' case.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13018095/Brit-fakes-kidnap-ransom-cash-family-holiday-thailand-sin-city.html

 

This written by a lady called Miriam Kuepper - apparently a trainee journalist of Swiss origin.  I doubt she has ever visited Pattaya because her description of the place is much at odds with my experience. In fact a comparison with a Friday or Saturday night in some of the UK's regional cities would make Pattaya seem as calm and orderly as Zurich.

[BigStar]

19 minutes ago, HauptmannUK said:

"Former fishing village Pattaya became popular with American troops on 'rest and relaxation' breaks in the 1960s when the U.S. military had bases in Thailand.

 

 

False history endlessly repeated to confirm bias. Fishing village, true. Popular with troops, nonsense.

[BigStar]

24 minutes ago, HauptmannUK said:

In the ensuing years, the coastal resort spawned into a semi-barbarous sex-tourism hellscape."

 

 

Laughable feminist invective.

[bbko]

Why do people that detest Pattaya so much choose to read about it?  

There's cities in the USA that I have no interest in or desire to visit, would it make sense if I followed those cities local news outlets and then went on their local forums and complained?  Wouldn't that make a masochist?

[mran66]

Pattaya IS a wonderful place to visit just don't let yourself get distracted by those headlines you mentioned. They are just fake news to keep those unwanted visitors (who are deterred by such news) away, too many of them in Pattaya already! 

Edited January 30 by mran66

[newnative]

       You again.  You seem to be solely focused on Pattaya and its supposed bad crime.  Never mind that crime in Pattaya mostly falls into what would be considered petty crime in most places.   Never mind that Pattaya is the 15th most visited city in the world, according to Mastercard, and with that many visitors some crime can be expected.  Never mind that most of the 'crime' stories on Asean Now--someone has a gold chain snatched, so-and-so arrested for drug possession, another so-and-so a victim of this or that scam, etc.--would likely not warrant one line in any newspaper anywhere else in the world. 

     With Asean Now and its expat reader focus, a clueless tourist having a gold chain stolen on Beach Road is apparently breaking news of the highest import, sometimes leading the AN news of the day.   We can all respond with variations of 'What an idiot' or 'Another heinous crime in "family-friendly" Pattaya', but it doesn't add any importance to what is still a petty crime. 

    Of course, some serious crimes do occur in Pattaya.  And, Bangkok.  And, Chiang Mai.  And, Phuket.  True for places big and small.   Teenager shoots up a mall--but not in Pattaya.  Some Swiss guy murdered his Thai wife recently--but not in Pattaya.  A British teacher was just arrested for sexually molesting some of his young students--but, not in Pattaya.  Crimes also happen elsewhere, too. 

      You were the one who made the preposterous statement in your earlier 'Part 1'  thread that, what was it, 95% of the crime in Thailand occurs in Pattaya.  And, even more preposterous, you stated that you based your idiotic, incorrect, damaging statistic on what you read in Asean Now.   Once more, here you are again, with Part 2.   What exactly is the point of Part 2, other than more Pattaya bashing?   Wasn't it all covered to death in Part 1?  Nothing better to do with yourself?  Apparently not.

       

[newnative]

3 hours ago, bbko said:

Why do people that detest Pattaya so much choose to read about it?  

There's cities in the USA that I have no interest in or desire to visit, would it make sense if I followed those cities local news outlets and then went on their local forums and complained?  Wouldn't that make a masochist?

    Yes, one of those mysteries of life.  Just what is it about Pattaya?   Like you, I can't imagine myself following, say, all the news of Peoria, and then commenting on everything I read.  Makes absolutely no sense.  But here we are, every single day, with all these hopeless Pattaya wannabes reading anything and everything Pattaya focused and commenting left, right, and sideways.  And, of course, usually totally clueless with whatever they say.  But, thank goodness, at least they have the Just Can't Quit Pattaya Fan Club.  Doubt there's one for Peoria.

[champers]

5 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Laughable feminist invective.

Faux outrage more like.

[JimTripper]

My problem with living in pattaya is that there are a lot of weak people around. It's possible to avoid most of them by living in a nicer building and not going out late nights wandering around on foot for example, but they are not completely avoidable. It's both thai's and foreigners. I don't care what the media or news says about the place.

Edited January 30 by JimTripper

[still kicking]

There is nothing wrong with Pattaya, I don't live there but I have been there many times.

[Deserted]

I would like to report a crime in Pattaya. I saw a tourist steal a chocolate bar from a shop 20 years ago.

[still kicking]

Good night, guys and girls.

 

 

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, JimTripper said:

My problem with living in pattaya is that there are a lot of weak people around. It's possible to avoid most of them by living in a nicer building and not going out late nights wandering around on foot for example, but they are not completely avoidable. It's both thai's and foreigners. I don't care what the media or news says about the place.

 

Weak you say? I guess it's never been the same since Tony got out of the local neighbourhood gym business.

[Deserted]

Yes that's it. There aren't enough gyms in Pattaya, that's the cause of all the problems. 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

"Former fishing village Pattaya became popular with American troops on 'rest and relaxation' breaks in the 1960s when the U.S. military had bases in Thailand.

 

In the ensuing years, the coastal resort spawned into a semi-barbarous sex-tourism hellscape."

 

The above appeared in the UK's Daily Mail in connection with the recent 'fake kidnap' case.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13018095/Brit-fakes-kidnap-ransom-cash-family-holiday-thailand-sin-city.html

 

This written by a lady called Miriam Kuepper - apparently a trainee journalist of Swiss origin.  I doubt she has ever visited Pattaya because her description of the place is much at odds with my experience. In fact a comparison with a Friday or Saturday night in some of the UK's regional cities would make Pattaya seem as calm and orderly as Zurich.

British newspapers that cater to the lowest denominator have apparently decided that telling lies about Pattaya makes economic sense. Been going on for many years now.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, sambum said:

I know it's a very difficult problem to resolve, but it makes nonsense of the Police and TAT's assurances that Pattaya is a wonderful place for anyone to visit, and their assertions that everything is being done to counteract anything "damaging to the image of Pattaya"!

I've always been happy for Pattaya to have a bad reputation. It keeps the KSR mob and families away- all good.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Weak you say? I guess it's never been the same since Tony got out of the local neighbourhood gym business.

I never went a Tony's gym, but his nightclub on Walking Street was pants ( rubbish ).

[radiochaser]

13 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

False history endlessly repeated to confirm bias. Fishing village, true. Popular with troops, nonsense.

Then why did soldiers from the 7th RRFS outside of Udon Thanii like to go down there for in country leave?  

[Thingamabob]

Pattaya and nearby areas excellent for families. Reports rubbishing Pattaya are rubbish.

Edited January 30 by Thingamabob

[Ben Zioner]

Went to Penang, last year. Beats Phuket or Pattaya by miles. Georgetown is lovely.  Nice an civilised English speaking locals.

Edited January 30 by Ben Zioner

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Deserted said:

Yes that's it. There aren't enough gyms in Pattaya, that's the cause of all the problems. 

Good point, then they wouldn't have the time or energy to be out at 3am trying to steal gold necklaces off Indians. 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

Went to Penang, last year. Beats Phuket or Pattaya by miles. Georgetown is lovely.  Nice an civilised English speaking locals.

It's alright for a change and a short break... but I could not imagine living there long term. 

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've always been happy for Pattaya to have a bad reputation. It keeps the KSR mob and families away- all good.

KSR?

Kentucky Sports Radio, when googled.

[JimTripper]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It's alright for a change and a short break... but I could not imagine living there long term. 

It's easy, just use your brain.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, radiochaser said:

Then why did soldiers from the 7th RRFS outside of Udon Thanii like to go down there for in country leave?  

 

Did you ask any? Link? Dates? Numbers?  Bangkok was the big R&R scene, for obvious reasons. I happen to know a former bomber pilot stationed at Utapao. He and his buds went to Pattaya sometimes for fishing. Had boats out to Koh Larn in those days as well. Great restful place. 🙂

 

[radiochaser]

31 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Did you ask any? Link? Dates? Numbers?  Bangkok was the big R&R scene, for obvious reasons. I happen to know a former bomber pilot stationed at Utapao. He and his buds went to Pattaya sometimes for fishing. Had boats out to Koh Larn in those days as well. Great restful place. 🙂

 

During my time there from 9/72 -5/73.  If there are any web site links on the internet about 7th RRFS personnel going there, I have not found them or did and forgot about it.  I think there may be some youtube posts about being down there. in the late 1960's up until the 7th closed in 1975 or 1976..   Personal experience of guys telling me or I overhearing them talking about going to Pattya.   Fishing and being on the beach I believe were the primary reason.   Some of them went down there with their tilaks.  

 

There were guys that were stationed at the 7th at least three years and one or two that may have been there 4 or more years.  Then there were guys that managed to be hired to work for the business' that were working for the U.S. government.   Federal Electric, CIA, NSA civilians, (as opposed to the NSA military grunts).  

OK, this is the first time I have seen this.  But I don't know if anyone from Radio Research was with them.  In 1959, I think all RR personel were working out of Bangkok.   There was a Radio Direction Finding (RDF) antenna array on top of a hotel in Bankok, There may have been some RDF sites someplace in Thailand but I can't remember if there was.   

 

I was going to post a link then realized it was from the B. Post.   Do a search with bing dot com with this term   .. did Radio Research have anyone stationed at Pattay, Thailand?

Edited January 31 by radiochaser