Biden Warns of a 'Nightmare' Future with Trump, Lists Reasons for Concern

[uttradit]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

I can think of at least two dozen reasons to keep that man away from the reins of government. He did enough damage during his prior administration. I could not even imagine the amount of damage he could do if given a second chance. It would embolden him to no end.

 

I'm not crazy about Biden and I don't like the idea of a president in his early 80s, but Trump is semi senile also and way too old for the office, in addition to being way too dangerous and completely out of control. 

The stock market rose more per year and inflation was much lower. Trump was far better then the current fool.

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[uttradit]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He did not attempt a coup, did not attempt to steal the Presidency, he has not been convicted of any of those alleged 91 felonies and was not "convicted" of sexual assault.  He was found liable in a civil suit of that alleged assault which only requires 51% preponderance of evidence against him, not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt means the prosecution has provided evidence that proves that there is no other reasonable explanation outside of the defendant's guilt.

Stop posting facts. Their ears are hurting.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, uttradit said:

The stock market rose more per year and inflation was much lower. Trump was far better then the current fool.

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Trump is denying legitimate election results and claiming he is immune from prosecution for all crimes committed while in office.  That is far worse than any other candidate in US history.

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He did not attempt a coup, did not attempt to steal the Presidency, he has not been convicted of any of those alleged 91 felonies and was not "convicted" of sexual assault.  He was found liable in a civil suit of that alleged assault which only requires 51% preponderance of evidence against him, not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt means the prosecution has provided evidence that proves that there is no other reasonable explanation outside of the defendant's guilt.

Really?  You think the election denial and fake electors weren't an attempt at stealing the election, which would effectively be a coup?

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So one law and the same law for everyone, yes or no?

 

I guess you're forgetting the infamous Time article by Molly Ball where she bragged about how they changed the laws to keep Trump from winning:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/time-mag-report-touting-cabal-of-of-powerful-people-behind-conspiracy-shadow-campaign-to-shape-election

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

And when, in 2022, New York Dems passed a law opening a window for a year to allow Carrol to sue Trump.  And that they're using laws that have never been used for purpose in NYC and Georgia to get Trump.

So it's not the same law for everyone.

 

 

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Let me guess; you're worried that America will become less white.  Am I correct?

 

No. You're wrong, as usual.

Edited February 6 by nauseus

[JJGittes]

4 hours ago, uttradit said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/16/politics/fact-check-biden-amtrak-grandfather-pittsburgh-bridge-debt/index.html

 

Your hero here.

And yours here:

 

 

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, Tug said:

The first time around was humiliating enough and expensive a second time around would be the death of democracy in my country not again!!lock him up allready!!!

Another term with Uncle Joe and USA is screwed.

[JJGittes]

3 hours ago, proton said:

Of course the resulting letting them all flood in across the southern border is not a nightmare, but some sort of democratic dream 😃

 

And the reality:

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I guess you're forgetting the infamous Time article by Molly Ball where she bragged about how they changed the laws to keep Trump from winning:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/time-mag-report-touting-cabal-of-of-powerful-people-behind-conspiracy-shadow-campaign-to-shape-election

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

And when, in 2022, New York Dems passed a law opening a window for a year to allow Carrol to sue Trump.  And that they're using laws that have never been used for purpose in NYC and Georgia to get Trump.

So it's not the same law for everyone.

 

 

So that’s a ‘no’ then.

[Luuk Chaai]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Need not be too complicated. Vote Trump get dictator, fascism and lawlessness. Vote Biden get democracy and rule of law. It is that clear and simple. 

the absolute dumbest reply ever

[Luuk Chaai]

I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.

It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.

[heybruce]

37 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.

It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.

Trump posted that after watching the rioters rampage through the Capitol for hours and doing nothing to stop them.  He only posted it after it was clear that they wouldn't succeed in preventing the certification of the election.  And he repeated the lie that the election was stolen.

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I guess you're forgetting the infamous Time article by Molly Ball where she bragged about how they changed the laws to keep Trump from winning:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/time-mag-report-touting-cabal-of-of-powerful-people-behind-conspiracy-shadow-campaign-to-shape-election

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

And when, in 2022, New York Dems passed a law opening a window for a year to allow Carrol to sue Trump.  And that they're using laws that have never been used for purpose in NYC and Georgia to get Trump.

So it's not the same law for everyone.

 

 

Laws pertaining to voting and preventing disinformation do apply to everyone.

[candide]

35 minutes ago, uttradit said:

The stock market rose more per year and inflation was much lower. Trump was far better then the current fool.

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The stock market rose under Trump because of tax cuts for the rich. Inflation was higher than in other developped countries.

[uttradit]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

The stock market rose under Trump because of tax cuts for the rich. Inflation was higher than in other developped countries.

Inflation was under 2%. 

[uttradit]

28 minutes ago, JJGittes said:

And yours here:

 

 

Sorry you have that

[candide]

2 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Inflation was under 2%. 

And there's no merit for it. It was lower in other developed economies.

[uttradit]

Just now, candide said:

And there's no merit for it. It was lower in other developed economies.

Post proof

Explain why 1% inflation is better

 

I bet you can't

[uttradit]

Here you go. I won again. 5 nil.

 

 

https://due.com/whats-the-ideal-inflation-rate-and-how-does-the-fed-plan-to-get-us-there/

 

"The ideal inflation rate is 2%. When inflation exceeds this figure, the Fed raises interest rates to slow down the economy for the next few months."

 

Edited February 6 by uttradit

[herfiehandbag]

46 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He did not attempt a coup, did not attempt to steal the Presidency, he has not been convicted of any of those alleged 91 felonies and was not "convicted" of sexual assault.  He was found liable in a civil suit of that alleged assault which only requires 51% preponderance of evidence against him, not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt means the prosecution has provided evidence that proves that there is no other reasonable explanation outside of the defendant's guilt.

Bearing in mind your penchant for pedantry, he has been charged with a significant number of crimes in a number of cases. They are yet to come to trial, largely because the Trump legal teams are doggedly attempting to delay the trial dates until after the election, in the hope that if he wins he will be able, by Presidential fiat, to either pardon himself or have the charges dismissed.

 

In parallel he is running a desperate attempt to persuade the Supreme Court to declare that he has immunity.

 

So no, he has not been convicted, because he has yet to go on trial. He may well never go on trial, but if that is the case it will be for reasons other than lack of evidence.

[uttradit]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Bearing in mind your penchant for pedantry, he has been charged with a significant number of crimes in a number of cases. They are yet to come to trial, largely because the Trump legal teams are doggedly attempting to delay the trial dates until after the election, in the hope that if he wins he will be able, by Presidential fiat, to either pardon himself or have the charges dismissed.

 

In parallel he is running a desperate attempt to persuade the Supreme Court to declare that he has immunity.

 

So no, he has not been convicted, because he has yet to go on trial. He may well never go on trial, but if that is the case it will be for reasons other than lack of evidence.

And when he wins the election will you whinge more or the same?

[JJGittes]

1 minute ago, uttradit said:

And when he wins the election will you whinge more or the same?

 

And then your alarm clock went off.

[uttradit]

Just now, JJGittes said:

 

And then your alarm clock went off.

What they said in 2016

 

[Masterton]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Nothing subverts democracy like denying the validity of elections, claiming permanent immunity from prosecution for all crimes committed while in office, and sending a mob to storm the Capitol.

 

I'm not thrilled with Biden, though I credit him with doing a good job on the economy and strengthening global alliances critical for America's security.  However Trump has made it clear he doesn't respect democracy and elections, and wants to be immune from all prosecution for his crimes. 

 

In short, Biden maintains democracy and the US Constitution, Trump makes the US a dictatorship.  It's an easy choice.

 

What a ridiculous post. Are you living in Bizarro World ?? Your post contains nothing but fake news Democrat propaganda talking points. Good grief... try removing yourself from the Democrat controlled media and educate yourself. 

 

Denying the validity of elections? Oh you mean like your side STILL do with the 2000 election? And the 2016 election? Trum colluded with the Russians right? 🤣 The Stacy Abrams governership election? 

 

Claiming permanent immunity from prosecution for all crimes committed while in office? It is a fact that the president has immunity, it is not a "claim", furthermore Trump did not commit any crimes, and as with most fake talking points, the clip you refer to about the Seal team assasinating his rival was a hypothetical question asked by a judge. 

 

Trump has made it clear he doesn't respect democracy and elections, and wants to be immune from all prosecution for his crimes? Absolutely clueless. Tell me, how many supreme court decisions did Trump ignore? And how many has Biden ignored? Yet it's Trump who doesn't respect democracy... Please... go off and educate yourself, and then come back and argue with the grown-ups.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, 300sd said:

Biden warns of a nightmare future with Trump!

 

Yes everything has gotten much better with Biden and his neocon handlers over the last three years. Can't wait to have more of the same.

 

What 'neocon handlers'? Care to name one?

[candide]

27 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Post proof

Explain why 1% inflation is better

 

I bet you can't

You can check here that inflation under Trump was higher than in other developed economy,  ex 2019

ADD AN ITEM TO THE CHART

Advanced economies

1.4

United State

1.8

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PCPIPCH@WEO/ADVEC/USA

 

All advanced economies are subject to the same inflationary trends, so the way to assess economic performance is to compare with comparable countries. Well, that's what economists do. In the MAGA world it may be different.

 

The U.S. economy is now faring better than other comparable countries, I.e. G7

Edited February 6 by candide

[uttradit]

Just now, candide said:

You can check here that inflation under Trump was higher than in other developed economy,  ex 2019

ADD AN ITEM TO THE CHART

Advanced economies

1.4

United State

1.8

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PCPIPCH@WEO/ADVEC/USA

 

All advanced economies are subject to the same inflationary trends, so the way to assess economic performance is to compare with comparable countries. Well, that's what economists do. In the MAGA world it may be different.

That's the weakest argument on inflation I've ever seen. 1.8% is closer to 2% which is considered ideal by the Fed so Trump did well.

 

Biden delivered 7%.

 

 

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

 

[uttradit]

UK inflation

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/inflation-rate-cpi

 

 

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

What a ridiculous post. Are you living in Bizarro World ?? Your post contains nothing but fake news Democrat propaganda talking points. Good grief... try removing yourself from the Democrat controlled media and educate yourself. 

 

Denying the validity of elections? Oh you mean like your side STILL do with the 2000 election? And the 2016 election? Trum colluded with the Russians right? 🤣 The Stacy Abrams governership election? 

 

Claiming permanent immunity from prosecution for all crimes committed while in office? It is a fact that the president has immunity, it is not a "claim", furthermore Trump did not commit any crimes, and as with most fake talking points, the clip you refer to about the Seal team assasinating his rival was a hypothetical question asked by a judge. 

 

Trump has made it clear he doesn't respect democracy and elections, and wants to be immune from all prosecution for his crimes? Absolutely clueless. Tell me, how many supreme court decisions did Trump ignore? And how many has Biden ignored? Yet it's Trump who doesn't respect democracy... Please... go off and educate yourself, and then come back and argue with the grown-ups.

It appears you are the one who lives in Bizarro World.  Trump continues to deny the validity of the 2020 election.  No Democrat claimed the 2016 elections was stolen or attempted to prevent the certification of the vote.  President Obama welcomed Trump into the White House. 

 

The 2000 election was not stolen, it was decided by the Supreme Court.  Had the court decided differently we might not have been bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Had there been a President Gore who took the PDB titled "Bin Laden determined to Strike in US" there might not have been a 9-11.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US

 

No, Presidents don't have immunity from prosecution.  Current policy is to not indict while the President is in office.  That's it.

 

"Indictments of a sitting or former president remain an uncertain area of Constitutional law. The Constitution does not directly address indictments for either, and the Supreme Court has never had an opportunity to rule directly on the issue. Overall, most legal experts support the possibility of indicting a former president at least for certain crimes, but there is less consensus on the indictment of a sitting president."  https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/indictment_of_presidents

 

Try educating yourself and posting with referenced facts.