Biden's own DOJ says he is an 'elderly man with a poor memory': Classified document case

[Social Media]

 

The Department of Justice (DOJ) released a long-awaited investigation into President Joe Biden's handling of classified documents, revealing concerning lapses in memory and negligence in safeguarding sensitive information. While the report did not recommend charges against the 81-year-old president, it raised significant questions about his mental acuity and approach to national security.

 

 

According to the investigation, Biden struggled to recall crucial dates, including when he served as vice president and even the year of his son Beau's death. His casual attitude towards classified documents, such as reading them to a ghostwriter, posed a notable national security risk. Despite these findings, the DOJ cited concerns that portraying Biden as an elderly man with memory issues could evoke sympathy from a jury, making prosecution challenging.

 

 

The inquiry into Biden's handling of classified materials parallels the scrutiny faced by his predecessor, Donald Trump, who was charged with unlawfully retaining such documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence. The investigation's revelations about Biden's memory lapses may shift the narrative in the 2024 election, potentially providing ammunition for Trump's campaign.

 

 

The report highlighted instances where Biden failed to remember key moments in his career and personal life during interviews with investigators. His confusion extended to critical policy matters, such as the debate surrounding troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, a significant focus early in his presidency.

 

Photographs included in the report depicted classified documents stored alongside household items in Biden's Delaware home, raising concerns about their security. Despite his familiarity with protocols for safeguarding classified information, Biden kept notebooks containing sensitive material in unlocked drawers.

 

Biden welcomed the DOJ's decision not to pursue charges and declared the matter closed, emphasizing his cooperation with investigators. In contrast, Trump criticized what he perceived as a double standard, asserting that Biden's actions were far more severe than his own.

 

The investigation concluded that Biden could not be prosecuted as a sitting president, even if DOJ policy did not prohibit charges against a sitting president. Critics seized on the DOJ's emphasis on Biden's age-related memory lapses, questioning his fitness to lead the nation.

 

As the findings of the investigation reverberate through the political landscape, they raise significant concerns about Biden's capacity to fulfill his duties effectively and responsibly.

 

09.02.24

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[impulse]

So basically, though he deliberately retained classified documents he wasn't allowed to have, they won't press charges.

 

But go ahead and vote for him.

 

Edited February 9 by stats
misinfo claim removed

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

So basically, though he deliberately retained classified documents he wasn't allowed to have, they won't press charges.  Because he's unfit to stand trial...

 

But go ahead and vote for him.

 

Erm no.

 

He cooperated and returned all documents as soon as they were discovered.

 

As did Pence.

 

The other guy engaged in lies, deceit, hid documents and showed classified documents to people who were not cleared to see them.

 

Biden and Pence not prosecuted.

 

The other guy, getting what comes for his actions.

[novacova]

It’s quite remarkable that many support the poor guy even though that the fella has overt undeniable severe age degenerative issues. It just goes to show how desperate and convoluted the left has become, quite the clown show 

[novacova]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm no.

 

He cooperated and returned all documents as soon as they were discovered.

 

As did Pence.

 

The other guy engaged in lies, deceit, hid documents and showed classified documents to people who were not cleared to see them.

 

Biden and Pence not prosecuted.

 

The other guy, getting what comes for his actions.

…a good example of blatant denial. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, novacova said:

…a good example of blatant denial. 

I challenge you to point out why.

 

 

[impulse]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I challenge you to point out why.

From the DOJ report:

 

"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen."

 

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur’s report reads.

 

“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

 

Edit:  I'm trying to figure out whether to characterize that as getting spanked, or getting thrown under the bus...

 

Edited February 9 by impulse

[novacova]

2 hours ago, Social Media said:

The investigation concluded that Biden could not be prosecuted as a sitting president, even if DOJ policy did not prohibit charges against a sitting president. Critics seized on the DOJ's emphasis on Biden's age-related memory lapses, questioning his fitness to lead the nation.

Mentally incompetent and unfit to hold office. Plain and simple. It’s baffling how anyone can’t come to the obvious conclusion, unless of course they’re dealing with the same age degenerative mental issues.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

From the DOJ report:

 

"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen."

 

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur’s report reads.

 

“Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur’s report reads.

 

Entirely reasonable for anyone to present themselves to a jury in a way that garners sympathy.

 

A long way from a diagnosis or indeed a Cognitive Assessment Test.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, novacova said:

unless of course they’re dealing with the same age degenerative mental issues.

That’s not very nice of you is it?!

[amexpat]

14 minutes ago, novacova said:

Mentally incompetent and unfit to hold office. Plain and simple. It’s baffling how anyone can’t come to the obvious conclusion, unless of course they’re dealing with the same age degenerative mental issues.

You described the former guy.  MAGA is not age degenerative, simply cult psychology. 

[thaicurious]

2 hours ago, novacova said:

It’s quite remarkable that many support the poor guy even though that the fella has overt undeniable severe age degenerative issues ... quite the clown show 

 

In Trump U. Lawsuit Deposition, Trump Can't Remember 'World's Greatest Memory' Boast (nbcnews.com)

 

"He cited memory lapses 59 times during the December deposition, a transcript from which was released on Wednesday."

 

Let me illustrate that for you.

 

"I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall" said  Donald J. Trump in one single testimony.

 

Trump said he couldn’t remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions - MarketWatch

 

"Trump said he couldn’t remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

Published: April 19, 2019 at 10:06 a.m. ET

 

In written responses under oath, the president said his memory of crucial questions was hazy."

 

I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall " said Donald J. Trump at another time.

 

I'm sorry, your were saying something about someone's memory?

Edited February 9 by stats
trolling references removed

[EVENKEEL]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur’s report reads.

 

Entirely reasonable for anyone to present themselves to a jury in a way that garners sympathy.

 

A long way from a diagnosis or indeed a Cognitive Assessment Test.

It's so painful listening to biden speak. biden's handlers saying everything is fine, biden is fit as a fiddle is perplexing. Almost like a parallel universe. 

 

There is no way a sane person who hears biden speak thinks he's  just fine.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's so painful listening to biden speak. biden's handlers saying everything is fine, biden is fit as a fiddle is perplexing. Almost like a parallel universe. 

 

There is no way a sane person who hears biden speak thinks he's  just fine.

Opinions differ.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

In Trump U. Lawsuit Deposition, Trump Can't Remember 'World's Greatest Memory' Boast (nbcnews.com)

He cited memory lapses 59 times during the December deposition, a transcript from which was released on Wednesday.

 

Let me illustrate that for you.

 

"I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall" said shriveled orange Donald J. Trump in one single testimony.

 

Trump said he couldn’t remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions - MarketWatch

I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall " said that shriveled orange Donald J. Trump at another time.

 

I'm sorry, your were saying something about someone's memory?

And all under oath.

[thaicurious]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And all under oath.

 

 

PS, on other poster's comment on Biden's speaking, try to keep in mind that Biden always always always struggles with his lifelong stutter. It's an amazing accomplishment to have gone from stutterer to president. Granted, not as remarkable as someone else being a pathological liar and becoming president but we'll take what we can get.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, thaicurious said:

 

Yeah, but we already know how well Trump honors his oath

The point being is Trump was testifying under oath to his own failing memory.

 

Not an opinion by a third party of how ‘ he might present himself’ but sworn testimony by Trump himself that his memory is shot.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

There is a political element to this, in the language used by the Republican author,  but the fact is what Biden did was not good and warranted investigation. Saw his press conference and it mostly wasn't terrible, except for confusing Mexico with Egypt, but will certainly not help address peoples valid concerns about his age now let alone over the next 4 years. Pass the baton Joe. It's time.  

Edited February 9 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

There is a political element to this, in the language used by the Republican author,  but the fact is what Biden did was not good and warranted investigation. Saw his press conference and it mostly wasn't terrible, except for confusing Mexico with Egypt, but will certainly not help address peoples valid concerns about his age now let alone over the next 4 years. Pass the baton Joe. It's time.  

Biden could very well ‘pass the baton’ and Democrats would vote for the alternative.

 

The Republicans are stuck with Trumpand the Only Trump/ Never Trump division amongst their voters.

[thaicurious]

7 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

There is a political element to this, in the language used by the Republican author,  but the fact is what Biden did was not good and warranted investigation. Saw his press conference and it mostly wasn't terrible, except for confusing Mexico with Egypt, but will certainly not help address peoples valid concerns about his age now let alone over the next 4 years. Pass the baton Joe. It's time.  

 

I was a little nervous with that at first but now I'm just gonna call Bibi Señor Cici. Everyone has brain farts regardless of age though it does happen more later in life. He corrected himself real fast, didn't skip a beat in moving on and staying on topic, and even left the press with a big surprise (of the timing of the Hamas attack). He couldn't have done that if he didn't have his sht together. The thing with aging that isn't ever mentioned, is that even if you might have moments of forgetting a word or whatever, and in speaking that can seem or even be compounded by someone with a stutter, aging also provides improved abstract reasoning, inaccessible to younger minds who don't yet have all that experience, but beneficial to decision making of such importance.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"My memory is fine": Angry Biden fires back after special counsel report

 

President Biden fired back forcefully during remarks on Thursday against assertions made by a special counsel over his mental acuity and handling of classified documents.

...

"I've been president and I put this country back on its feet, I don't need his recommendation," Biden said, referring to Special Counsel Robert Hur.

,,,

"I'm well meaning, and I'm an elderly man, and I know what the hell I'm doing," Biden said in response to a question from a reporter.

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/09/biden-special-counsel-report-memory-robert-hur

 

 

[Hanaguma]

51 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

In Trump U. Lawsuit Deposition, Trump Can't Remember 'World's Greatest Memory' Boast (nbcnews.com)

He cited memory lapses 59 times during the December deposition, a transcript from which was released on Wednesday.

 

Let me illustrate that for you.

 

"I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall" said shriveled orange Donald J. Trump in one single testimony.

 

Trump said he couldn’t remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions - MarketWatch

Trump said he couldn’t remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

Published: April 19, 2019 at 10:06 a.m. ET

 

In written responses under oath, the president said his memory of crucial questions was hazy

 

I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall " said that shriveled orange Donald J. Trump at another time.

 

I'm sorry, your were saying something about someone's memory?

I was waiting for it!

 

"b-b-but Trump!!"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Biden defends how he handled classified docs after scathing special counsel report

...

He angrily responded to special counsel Robert Hur's description of a portion of an interview in which Hur said Biden seemed to not remember when his son, Beau, died.

 

"How in the hell dare he raise that?" Biden said, adding it was "none of their damn business," and choking up with emotion. "I don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away," he said. He said that Hur's description did not belong in the report. "They don't know what they're talking about," he said.

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/08/1230290474/biden-classified-documents-response

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

A long way from a diagnosis or indeed a Cognitive Assessment Test.

Indeed. Which begs the question as to why the President has not done either of these things, if only to calm the public's entirely reasonable fears and also to stick a knife into that line of attack by the GOP. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

'How in the hell dare he': Biden strikes defiant tone on special counsel report

The president's unexpected remarks came hours after the release of special counsel Robert Hur's report on Biden's handling of classified documents.

 

...

"Later in his remarks, Biden mistakenly referred to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi as the president of Mexico. The flub took place when Biden was answering a question about the Israel-Hamas war, and it was the third time this week he has mixed up heads of state."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-national-address-special-counsel-report-rcna138031

 

 

[thaicurious]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I was waiting for it!

 

"b-b-but Trump!!"

Had only you removed your head from Trump b-b-but-t-t, you'd realize that was not a b-b-but trump but an example of what people say during testimony/investigations/etc., (though that their fluffers might not have had any issue with) whether to assure themselves that they don't misspeak or whatever their reason.

 

During the press conference Biden said one of the don't recalls was on a question of his beloved son's death. But-t-t you go right ahead and keep believing that was an actual I don't recall and not a polite GFY.

[thaibeachlovers]

53 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's so painful listening to biden speak. biden's handlers saying everything is fine, biden is fit as a fiddle is perplexing. Almost like a parallel universe. 

 

There is no way a sane person who hears biden speak thinks he's  just fine.

I've watched Biden speaking recently and was wondering just how anyone could consider that bumbler a fit candidate for president.

Before any of the Trump haters launch into a counter offensive on Trump, I don't consider him a fit candidate for president either, but as long as he is the only current GOP candidate with a chance of winning against Biden/ Harris I'll support him for POTUS.

Faced with 2 very unsuitable candidates the only option IMO is to go for the one that didn't start any wars while in office. While Biden hasn't let loose the dogs of war per se, he's certainly doing everything to let one start, IMO.

[Hanaguma]

48 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

 

Yeah, but we already know how well the orange oaf honors his oath

 

PS, on other poster's comment on Biden's speaking, try to keep in mind that Biden always always always struggles with his lifelong stutter. It's an amazing accomplishment to have gone from stutterer to president. Granted, not as remarkable as someone else being a pathological liar and becoming president but we'll take what we can get.

Come on, are you REALLY going to dredge up that old dodge? There was no mention of poor Joe and his stutter when we was Senator, or Vice President. Yet when he aged and began to slow down mentally it suddenly became front and centre. As if to give him a shield from legitimate criticism- "how DARE you attack a man with a handicap!"

 

All you need to do is listen to him speak 20 years ago, 10 years ago, and today. The difference is remarkable, and frankly scary. Joe was never too sharp, but at least he was moderately articulate. He had more choices of voice than angry curmudgeon.  There has been a decline, and it is becoming harder and harder to hide.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

A pretty forceful and clear rebuttal on Biden's part...

 

Edited February 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Fat is a type of crazy]

31 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

 

I was a little nervous with that at first but now I'm just gonna call Bibi Señor Cici. Everyone has brain farts regardless of age though it does happen more later in life. He corrected himself real fast, didn't skip a beat in moving on and staying on topic, and even left the press with a big surprise (of the timing of the Hamas attack). He couldn't have done that if he didn't have his sht together. The thing with aging that isn't ever mentioned, is that even if you might have moments of forgetting a word or whatever, and in speaking that can seem or even be compounded by someone with a stutter, aging also provides improved abstract reasoning, inaccessible to younger minds who don't yet have all that experience, but beneficial to decision making of such importance.

I kind of personally agree - if anyone of us had to talk a lot there would be gaffes a plenty even though we may know the topic in the big picture - and he has a good team around him. Part of being  an effective president though is to be strong and be seen to be strong. A combination of his gentle nature, speech impediments,  and the ravages of time are not in his favour. The very fact he can't see that it's time to pass the baton  is evidence itself  of his potentially poor judgement in my opinion.